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The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave"... - 8/17/2014 10:14:32 AM   
intellisubbear


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Status: offline 		The last lines of this articles indicates the lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave" can't commit the crime defense, under the service of a Master ...
http://abc30.com/news/official-amish-girls-sexually-abused-in-abduction/265809/
What do you think about that?
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RE: The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave&q... - 8/17/2014 12:21:45 PM   
littleladybug


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Status: offline 		Personally, if this defense is pursued, I think it will be a fascinating case to follow.

I don't think it's so much a defense that she "cannot commit the crime if it's under the service of a master", but rather, was she in fear of her own life and well-being if she didn't go along with it? I would think that there is going to be a lot more that has to come out aside from the fact that she was "in the process of getting a restraining order" in order to have a successful defense. Was this a consensual master/slave relationship, or was she there against her will? How much did she do to try to STOP the kidnapping of these girls from happening? Is it possibly a case of "Stockholm Syndrome"? There are MANY questions that will be raised with this.

I'll be interested to see how far the attorneys go into this, once they realize how far the proverbial rabbit hole goes (if they don't know already...).

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RE: The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave&q... - 8/18/2014 3:12:54 PM   
LafayetteLady


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Status: offline 		Since the lawyer mentioned abuse, I'm thinking he is leaning more towards a batttered women defense. Either way, I don't think her part should be excused.

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RE: The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave&q... - 8/19/2014 4:56:10 AM   
CaptR


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Status: offline 		It's difficult to armchair an opinion without knowing firsthand the dynamics of their relationship. She's facing conviction and prison time so of course her team is going to claim abuse and coercion. The depths of his depravity are obvious (I'm biased) as the father of two girls I hope he gets his due. In my opinion I'm not relieving her of guilt. Was she willingly complicit? The girls accounting of events will shed SOME light on that. The question is raised, how far as submissions/ slaves are some members of our community willing to go under the guises of Master/ slave/submissive and how plausible/ implausible a defense can be made claiming abuse in a consensual D/s or M/s relationship? On the whole it's time to review our own "safe, sane, consensual" policies and ask to what length will those who identify as submissive/ slave be "controlled." And as Masters, review our moral, ethical and legal obligations to our partners and make sure no innocents or even not so innocents ;-), are abused.

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RE: The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave&q... - 8/19/2014 5:11:10 AM   
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I don't know if you read other articles about this story and have more information than I do, but from this only article I wouldn't be sure the lawyer was using the terms master and slave implying a bdsm relationship, I think he was talking about actual enslavement through intimidation and psicological abuses.

< Message edited by eulero83 -- 8/19/2014 5:13:05 AM >

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RE: The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave&q... - 8/19/2014 7:35:40 AM   
CaptR


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Status: offline 		The attorney states he (the other accused) treated her in a submissive manner and "She appears to have been the slave and he was the master," I'm assuming that's exactly what it implies with regards to bdsm. However, as I stated at the beginning of my post without having firsthand knowledge of their relationship dynamic it's a tough call.

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RE: The lawyer appears to be intimating a "slave&q... - 8/19/2014 11:57:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes ok but what I meant is sometimes serial killers or other disturbed criminals working in couple tend to have this dinamyc where one is submissive and the other is dominant, so maybe master e slave are also used in that context, I know but they are also terms used in informatics for two hardware pieces, maybe also in criminology have a non bdsm meaning.

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