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There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.
Says who?? you and your crystal ball?? 
And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. 
I don't care what you forecast could or would be if/what/whatever... compare the US with others.
Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country.
Do you deny that there are well over 100 million legitimate gun owners in this country?
Do you deny that you view us as trigger happy nuts?
Do you deny that the law allows us to gun down people because they might possibly be a threat.
How can you deny that if you let 3.5 million trigger happy loons loose with a blank check to kill people there would be 100s of thousands of dead people every year.
There are two options.
Massive body count
or you are wrong.
There are not 100,000 people killed by us trigger happy gun nuts so we aren't trigger happy gun nuts.
Irrelevant questions in order to obfuscate and dodge... but I'll answer them.
A) Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country
No. But it's shit-loads more per capita than here.
And.... what is the relevance of this statement?
You seem to be crowing about it as if it were an advantage; I see it as a tragedy and a death waiting to happen.
"The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world"
And also -
In 2012 the Home Office reported that, "in 2010/11, firearms were involved in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, the seventh consecutive annual fall".
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
Note that is states 'offences', not actual deaths or injuries or near misses; it's a total number of crimes.
B) Do you deny that there are well over 100 million legitimate gun owners in this country?
Does it matter??? Is it relevant??
As above, you see it as an advantage, I don't.
The US have 3x more actual gun Deaths, than we have as 'offences'. Fact.
That makes for over 100 million legitimate and legal nutcases!!
C) Do you deny that you view us as trigger happy nuts?
For the majority of you in the US... YES!!!
D) Do you deny that the law allows us to gun down people because they might possibly be a threat.
And that's the problem.
You are allowed to kill people on the idea of possibly being a threat whereas we only allow that as a last resort and an actual threat; and only then, not with lethal force.
And don't give me that crap about last resort in the US because it is clear that your opinion (and several others on here) believe you have a god-given right to shoot people first without considering other non-lethal tactics.
E) How can you deny that if you let 3.5 million trigger happy loons loose with a blank check to kill people there would be 100s of thousands of dead people every year
Irrelevant and unsubstantiated numbers plucked out of the air.
Here's a graph that shows that the general trend for gun deaths in the US is upwards, not downwards, since 1999 (28,874 in 1999 to 32,163 in 2011).
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/194/total_number_of_gun_deaths
F) There are two options
A) Massive body count
Your numbers and assumptions - plucked out of thin air, not mine.
Show me the numbers rather than invent numbers out of your head.
B) or you are wrong.
Show me where??
G) There are not 100,000 people killed by us trigger happy gun nuts so we aren't trigger happy gun nuts
Interesting. But again, your unsubstantiated numbers, not mine or backed-up with creditable links.
So you don't consider more than 32,000 deaths as being unnecessary and caused by gun nuts??
I see... That's perfectly acceptable. Got it!! 
According to Wiki, the UK has a 0.25 firearms death rate per capita compared to the US figure of 10.30.
That's a ratio of 42:1. And you think that is defensible???
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Sheeesh!! You sure got some weird sense of humour!
< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 8/31/2014 6:50:24 AM >
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