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That story seems to be too new at this time for any idea of motive, K. But, yes, it is absolutely gobsmacking.

And this thread is another cruel attempt to take advantage of a stupid senseless accident to score political points.

Oh yeah, because there have not been.....any....threads on here in which the gun nuts have stated 'If that person only had a gun, things would have been different'. Go right a head, BamaD....TRY....to bullshit to all of us that has...NEVER...happened on this forum. If its 'ok' for you to do it, its 'ok' for others to do it as well. And you don't like it; well....tough shit!

No, this thread is pointing out....YOU DONT GIVE FIREARMS TO CHILDREN.....

Particularly ones that are powerful. I would think most firearm owners would never do such a think for pretty obvious reasons. But that is the problem, the remainder would do it. And therein lies the problem. And why laws get created. Why are there stickers on large, bulky, vending machines that say 'do not tip'? Why are you told 'keep head, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times'? Why are we told not to takes prescription drugs that were not prescribed to us by a certified medical person? Most people can understand the reason why you don't give a 9 year old girl (or boy) a powerful firearm. Unfortunately, the remainder doesn't. And that's why laws get created. To create a punishment in the hopes the would-be offender doesn't take the action.

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

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As I understand it, the instructor did not have his hand on the Uzi when he went to automatic fire. Anyone with the most basic knowledge of physics knows that the the recoil of an Uzi firing automatically is well-nigh impossible for a 9-year-old girl to handle -- even if she expected it. This is simply gross negligence. I don't have much respect for the parents either. I'm all for gun safety and for kids' knowing how to shoot, but you're not ready for an Uzi at 9, boy or girl. At best, that falls into the category of "look how cool this is, my kid firing an Uzi," which is parental narcissism. So the parents are at fault for allowing this at all. The instructor is at fault for gross negligence, but of course he's dead now. Since they employed him, the range is clearly liable.

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

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The story being reported is that the "instructor" had the child a shoot few rounds on Single Shot and she appeared to handle to weapon with little or no trouble. He, the alleged instructor, then felt it would be OK to have the child try the weapon on "Full Auto". At that point mayhem (or hilarity - take your pick) ensued.

The stupidity there is think enough to cut with a knife.

The part of the story I'm looking forward to is how the NRA will spin this to their advantage and make it look like some sort of planned attack by the anti-gun crowd. I'm betting they will initially go with the "No True Scotsman" defense and gradually work it into some sort of White House-based conspiracy.

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

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I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either.

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link.

I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either.

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The title should read

Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy.....


The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either....

Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver

I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all...

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As I understand it, the instructor did not have his hand on the Uzi when he went to automatic fire.

I've seen no indication that he ever "went to automatic fire." It could be that the selector was moved inadvertently.

K.

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link.

I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either.

Where car death are the biggest conern "another pointless car death" would be the news' title for such a case.
By the way I hope it's illegal in the us allowing a 10 year old to drive a car.

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The title should read

Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy.....


The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either....

Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver

I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all...

Or the dozen or so kids who have died this summer because their idiot parents left them in hot cars and went drinking.

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link.

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The story being reported is that the "instructor" had the child a shoot few rounds on Single Shot and she appeared to handle to weapon with little or no trouble. He, the alleged instructor, then felt it would be OK to have the child try the weapon on "Full Auto". At that point mayhem (or hilarity - take your pick) ensued.

The stupidity there is think enough to cut with a knife.

The part of the story I'm looking forward to is how the NRA will spin this to their advantage and make it look like some sort of planned attack by the anti-gun crowd. I'm betting they will initially go with the "No True Scotsman" defense and gradually work it into some sort of White House-based conspiracy.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

The title should read

Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy.....


The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either....

Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver

I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all...

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It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

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Why single out an event in the USA here, particularly, PS? There are lots of other countries that have customs that you and I would find primitive, repulsive and downright alien. I mean, in Syria, for instance, young children on all sides of the war are regularly trained in how to shoot to kill with AK47s. Why should Americans be held to a higher standard?

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The title should read

Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy.....


The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either....

Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver

I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all...

You dopey fuck. Who am I trying to garner sympathy from, certainly no one on here and certainly not you. If you dont like the story dont fucking read it.