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Wanna buy a slave? - 9/4/2014 8:19:16 PM

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French IS Fighters And Supporters On Facebook, September 3, 2014

Abou Jjihad: "350 dollars for the Yazidi girl in Mosul if you want LOL"

[...]

Abu Selefie: "I heard there were slaves in Raqqa is it true?"

Abde-Rahman: "I saw it was around 180 dollars per slave LOL"

Abou Muhammad: "You have revived a tradition"

Abou Jihad: "Yes I heard brothers say there are some in Raqq

a as well" [...] "180 dollars must be [the price] for the ugly ones"

Abde-Rahman: "LOL I am laughing so hard"

Shinobi: "LOL And how much is it in spare parts? Check and see if you can get kidneys or livers there is demand."

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And I keep hearing about this "War on Women" in the US?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/4/2014 8:30:47 PM

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No worries, theyre just JV

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/5/2014 8:30:29 PM

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No worries, theyre just JV

It must be "racist" if you speak out against this. And not being "multi-cultural" enough. In fact, with the way the left arguments are going, if you are against this it most likely makes you Rapey McRaperson.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/5/2014 8:48:56 PM

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Ok, so they are smart, the Chinese charge retail for fu long gang parts.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/5/2014 9:01:03 PM

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Ok, so they are smart, the Chinese charge retail for fu long gang parts.

Once again we discover that neither enslavement under communists nor enslavement under Islamists is ideal

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/5/2014 9:27:49 PM

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Ok, so they are smart, the Chinese charge retail for fu long gang parts.

Once again we discover that neither enslavement under communists nor enslavement under Islamists is ideal

Don't you know that this whole thing is just a tea party plot to undermine Obama.
There are no radical Islamists, there is no terrorism, ISIS is just Al Qaeda's jv team and Al Qaeda is on the run.
Or ISIS are monsters and need to die.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/5/2014 10:48:19 PM

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Ok, so they are smart, the Chinese charge retail for fu long gang parts.

Once again we discover that neither enslavement under communists nor enslavement under Islamists is ideal

Don't you know that this whole thing is just a tea party plot to undermine Obama.
There are no radical Islamists, there is no terrorism, ISIS is just Al Qaeda's jv team and Al Qaeda is on the run.
Or ISIS are monsters and need to die.

That and to drag all of us females back to the cave by our hair just like Scott Walker has been doing.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 2:06:34 AM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 3:47:40 AM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

"Even worse"? How about 1,000,000x worse? Conservative Christians aren't killing women. Not paying for one or two forms of birth control is not death. Or anything close. Compared to what the ISIS Muslims do, your analogy is like comparing the destruction of an anthill to the Holocaust.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 3:49:02 AM

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Ok, so they are smart, the Chinese charge retail for fu long gang parts.

Once again we discover that neither enslavement under communists nor enslavement under Islamists is ideal

Don't you know that this whole thing is just a tea party plot to undermine Obama.
There are no radical Islamists, there is no terrorism, ISIS is just Al Qaeda's jv team and Al Qaeda is on the run.
Or ISIS are monsters and need to die.

Obama was right about the JV team. Except he wasn't describing ISIS, but rather his very own administration.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 6:41:36 AM

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The real problems in the area are still Iran, Syria, and behind them both, Russia.

ISIS is a complication intertwined with that. If if were just ISIS, they wouldn't even be JV. Vicious, yes. But hardly a major military power.

It's the complications that are governing the caution, not ISIS itself. Even Henry Kissinger, the Cambodian Bomber, is urging caution.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 8:33:01 AM

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"Even worse"? How about 1,000,000x worse? Conservative Christians aren't killing women. Not paying for one or two forms of birth control is not death. Or anything close. Compared to what the ISIS Muslims do, your analogy is like comparing the destruction of an anthill to the Holocaust.

Your analogy is lopsided to the point of obscenity but that aside the question remains:

Why should we ignore the trampling of civil rights here just because there is greater evil elsewhere?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 2:16:55 PM

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"Even worse"? How about 1,000,000x worse? Conservative Christians aren't killing women. Not paying for one or two forms of birth control is not death. Or anything close. Compared to what the ISIS Muslims do, your analogy is like comparing the destruction of an anthill to the Holocaust.

Your analogy is lopsided to the point of obscenity but that aside the question remains:

Why should we ignore the trampling of civil rights here just because there is greater evil elsewhere?

Your attempt to change the focus betrays either an unreasoning hatred of Christians, a sympathy for ISIS, or both.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 2:41:59 PM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

For the sake of the discussion, assume I am a Christian. How does my not wanting to pay for the "morning after" pill or some equivalent for a woman I don't know cause her rights to be violated, or worse her death?

It doesn't. If you feel that women should have free access to those forms of contraception then by all means please pay for it out of your own pocket. With any right comes responsibility, something you obviously have not learned yet in your life. Conservative Christians are not saying a woman cannot have access to these forms of contraception, they are saying that they are not going to pay for them since it is not there responsibility to do so.

Try being honest in your statements, instead of using lies to further someone else's agenda like a useful idiot.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 3:12:38 PM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

Actually riffing off Muslims being a protected class and therefore you cannot criticize them à la Rotherham and other places (even in the US *shudder*) but you can accuse Scott Walker of rape and domestic violence and accuse all males of being rapists.

There have also been comments about how Islam does not *really* advocate these things. In the conversations about the slaves for sale, there is actually a discussion about what Islam, the Koran, and the Haddiths allow.

And yes, I am really sick of this fake "war on women" I keep hearing about.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 3:15:46 PM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

For the sake of the discussion, assume I am a Christian. How does my not wanting to pay for the "morning after" pill or some equivalent for a woman I don't know cause her rights to be violated, or worse her death?

It doesn't. If you feel that women should have free access to those forms of contraception then by all means please pay for it out of your own pocket. With any right comes responsibility, something you obviously have not learned yet in your life. Conservative Christians are not saying a woman cannot have access to these forms of contraception, they are saying that they are not going to pay for them since it is not there responsibility to do so.

Try being honest in your statements, instead of using lies to further someone else's agenda like a useful idiot.

Please read Marc's post again.
Nowhere in what he wrote does he mention birth control, or its availability, or who should assume its cost.
He could have been referring to closing abortion clinics, or perhaps to mandatory trans-vaginal ultrasounds, or even voting rights, among many other things.

I do not see where he was, as you state, "...using lies..."
The fact is, he never mentioned birth control at all, you did -- which then leads one to the question, what agenda are you trying to further by bringing it up?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 3:33:07 PM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

For the sake of the discussion, assume I am a Christian. How does my not wanting to pay for the "morning after" pill or some equivalent for a woman I don't know cause her rights to be violated, or worse her death?

It doesn't. If you feel that women should have free access to those forms of contraception then by all means please pay for it out of your own pocket. With any right comes responsibility, something you obviously have not learned yet in your life. Conservative Christians are not saying a woman cannot have access to these forms of contraception, they are saying that they are not going to pay for them since it is not there responsibility to do so.

Try being honest in your statements, instead of using lies to further someone else's agenda like a useful idiot.

Please read Marc's post again.
Nowhere in what he wrote does he mention birth control, or its availability, or who should assume its cost.
He could have been referring to closing abortion clinics, or perhaps to mandatory trans-vaginal ultrasounds, or even voting rights, among many other things.

I do not see where he was, as you state, "...using lies..."
The fact is, he never mentioned birth control at all, you did -- which then leads one to the question, what agenda are you trying to further by bringing it up?

How about wanting to stay on the topic of the atrocities currently being committed against women in the name of Islam and not wanting them equated to the (largely fictional and always exaggerated) inconveniences women have in this country.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 4:18:49 PM

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Please read Marc's post again.
Nowhere in what he wrote does he mention birth control, or its availability, or who should assume its cost.
He could have been referring to closing abortion clinics, or perhaps to mandatory trans-vaginal ultrasounds, or even voting rights, among many other things.

I do not see where he was, as you state, "...using lies..."
The fact is, he never mentioned birth control at all, you did -- which then leads one to the question, what agenda are you trying to further by bringing it up?

At least your name is fitting, since your intellect is obviously stunted I will spell it out for you using small words.

Given that he references Conservative Christians as the being the ones violating women's rights, the only thing he can be referring to is birth control. There is no "war" by Conservative Christians to "limit" a woman's rights in any way. As for the issue of birth control, the Conservative Christians never have been opposed to women having access to birth control if they want it, in fact they are even willing to help pay for most forms of birth control through any health care plans they offer when hiring women. They oppose paying for those forms which can cause the death of a fetus, they don't oppose a woman's choice to use such forms of birth control.

You and Marc may not like what Conservative Christians believe in. Personally I don't care one way or the other about your personal views. When you use claims, like a "war on women's rights", and offer no proof that any claims are true then the only and correct conclusion is that you or he are using lies.

Closing of abortion clinics is a war on women's rights? Maybe, but Conservative Christians have every right to protest such places and the activities that take place in such offices just as it is a woman's right to use such a place.

Mandatory trans-vaginal ulstrasounds are against women's rights? No, if anything they offer more information to the woman prior to making the choice of aborting an unborn child.

Women's voting rights being violated? Seriously? What country and century do you live in? I do not know of any country that is considered Christian, meaning a nation where most of the religious groups are Christian, where women's voting rights are being violated any Christian group. If you know of such a country and situation please feel free to share that information and proof with the rest of us.

In short, anything you can offer as an instance of a "war on women's rights" in a Christian nation I know for a fact I can prove to be factually incorrect. It is not happening.

Now as for my agenda. That is easy, I want both sides of a discussion to use facts and be honest. I don't care which side you are on, if you are dishonest I will call you out on it. Care to embarrass yourself further sloguy02246?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 5:25:33 PM

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If I am reading between the sarcasm correctly your point is:

So some people around the world treat women even worse than conservative Christians do here in the U.S, therefore, we should not be upset over their (conservative Christians) constant attempts to restrict the rights of women here?

Why?

Just because some people are more evil than others, why should we ignore the lesser evils? Especially if they are closer to home?

How does ignoring the victims of Christians in any way help the victims of Muslims?

Actually riffing off Muslims being a protected class and therefore you cannot criticize them à la Rotherham and other places (even in the US *shudder*) but you can accuse Scott Walker of rape and domestic violence and accuse all males of being rapists.

There have also been comments about how Islam does not *really* advocate these things. In the conversations about the slaves for sale, there is actually a discussion about what Islam, the Koran, and the Haddiths allow.

And yes, I am really sick of this fake "war on women" I keep hearing about.

Has mudering spouses, rape and child prositution ended in the US, or the UK, or Europe, while I wasnt looking ? Do you think that isnt a war on women or is it just boys being boys ?

The slaves for sale thing was a group of young Muslims on twitter or wherever and you want to tarnish every Muslim.

As for you mentioning Rotherham and not being able to criticise Muslims, you do know that the abuse in Rotherham Oxford and other places came to light because many of the victims started to speak out after reading about Rochdale. No, I didnt think so. Let me be clear though, the cover up, as in most cases is to protect the image of the local police and social services at the upper level. If you had read anything substantial on the case, you would have seen those lower down the chain had reports blocked by the higher ups. The reason it was exposed was because whistle blowers and the media were not scared to put the information right in the public eye.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/6/2014 5:43:57 PM

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Actually riffing off Muslims being a protected class and therefore you cannot criticize them à la Rotherham and other places (even in the US *shudder*)

I've seen plenty of criticism of Muslims here (check out the Racism and Islamaphobia thread) and elsewhere on the web and across media. I think you are making the common mistake of equating responses to the criticism as censorship when it is only the same exercise of freedom of speech that permitted the original criticism.

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but you can accuse Scott Walker of rape and domestic violence and accuse all males of being rapists.

I haven't accused him of anything and I never accused all males of being rapists. As for those who do, I believe there are responses (that some might mis-perceive as censorship) to those accusations as well.

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There have also been comments about how Islam does not *really* advocate these things. In the conversations about the slaves for sale, there is actually a discussion about what Islam, the Koran, and the Haddiths allow.

Islam, like Christianity, is split into numerous factions with different interpretations of the Koran. Christianity and Islam both have their fundamentalist nut case version. I'll grant that the Christian Fundamentalists aren't quite as lethal as the Muslim version but that is largely due to society preventing the Christians from torturing and burning sinners anymore. I have no doubt that many Christians in America would gleefully kill in the name of God if they thought they could get away with it.

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And yes, I am really sick of this fake "war on women" I keep hearing about.

The rhetoric my be exaggerated but the fact remains that there is a concerted effort by the Christian right in America to deprive women of their reproductive rights, not to mention their fight against equal rights for homosexuals and their frequent attempts to sabotage science education. These are serious challenges to our freedoms and our happiness as individuals and as a society. Those who would be harmed by the efforts of conservative Christians have a right (some might say duty) to fight the good fight and stop them. The fact that there are Muslims doing worse things elsewhere is insufficient reason to abandon that fight.

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