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KYsissy -> This isnt good. (9/5/2014 5:10:51 AM)
http://www.wave3.com/story/26451226/police-man-forced-wife-to-sign-slave-contract SEYMOUR, IN (WAVE) - A Seymour man is accused of abusing and torturing his wife. The victim finally got the courage to call police during one of his tirades. Kenneth Eugene Harden, 32, of Seymour, is being held on a $100,000 bond in Jackson County. [VIEW: Affidavit to establish probable cause for arrest: State of Indiana vs. Kenneth Eugene Harden] Harden is accused of 38 counts of rape, battery and criminal confinement against his wife who told officers she would scream and yell for help hoping a neighbor would call police. "We could hear them fighting sometimes and we heard a lot of loud noises upstairs, but I never thought anything of it," Tyler Davers said, who lives below the apartment where the alleged abuse occurred. [SLIDESHOW: Mugshot Roundup - September 2014] Davers noticed something else was odd about the woman who lived above him - she always wore a leather collar. "It was just a black strap and you could see where the chain could go into it. She wore it at the bus stop. She wore it everywhere she went," Davers said. The collar was all part of a sex slave contract prosecutors said Harden enforced every day. She told police she met him online last year through Craigslist. He said he was a Godly man and they both talked about how much the Bible meant to them. They soon married. A few months later, she said Harden revealed he's a sadist. What started out as experimentation in the bedroom escalated into abuse. Not only would he lead her around with a collar on - prosecutors said he would force her head and hands into a wooden box after her child went to school. She told police there were also times he would duct tape or tie her up all day. Charging documents go on to detail graphic sexual and physical abuse - all while she hoped and prayed someone would hear her through the apartment walls. "We heard the banging around and stuff up there, I didn't even expect that. That's pretty bizarre," Davers said. Police initially arrested Harden on strangulation and domestic battery charges related to an incident at the apartment. The Jackson County Prosecutor's Office filed additional charges Wednesday after further reviewing the case.

AnnaOphelia -> RE: This isnt good. (9/5/2014 5:45:49 AM)
Wow

MariaB -> RE: This isnt good. (9/5/2014 7:19:50 AM)
This is when I wish we had a louder voice because without it, we can't let the world know, this was not BDSM

littleladybug -> RE: This isnt good. (9/5/2014 12:00:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy "We could hear them fighting sometimes and we heard a lot of loud noises upstairs, but I never thought anything of it," Tyler Davers said, who lives below the apartment where the alleged abuse occurred. This just stuck out to me. Reminiscent of the Kitty Genovese case from years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese Thank God there was not a murder involved here, but it just saddens me to read this quote. He heard these things and didn't ever think to call the police? "Never thought anything of it"....wow. Several years ago, I was having a "loud discussion" with my boyfriend. The windows were open in my apartment. The local police were called. In thinking about it later, I was glad that someone thought enough to call the police. Better to have them come and have it be nothing (which it was in my case), than for it to be a situation where someone "doesn't want to get involved" and ends up in violence that could have been prevented.

FelineRanger -> RE: This isnt good. (9/5/2014 6:47:16 PM)
I'm of two very divided minds on the subject of neighbor involvement. Clearly this was a case where the neighbors should've taken greater notice and called the police waiting for the wife to do it herself. On the other hand, when my marriage was deteriorating, I found out that my wife, who had hit me twice and cheated on me once, went to the neighbors and asked them to call the police the next time we argued. The police then threatened me with a whole host of domestic abuse charges even though I did nothing but yell very loudly. I've since discovered that this is a common strategy for soon to be ex-wives, especially ones who think they have something to gain by portraying their husbands and irrational monsters.

FieryOpal -> RE: This isnt good. (9/6/2014 2:28:43 AM)
Did your (ex-)wife flaunt this in your face or did you discover later than she had bad-mouthed you? Because if she was holding this over your head, you could have swallowed your pride and gone to your neighbors yourself, apologized for your (ex-)wife's involving them in your marital problems, and then assured them that you would in no way physically harm your wife (that you are all bark and no bite). If the neighbors could hear you yelling, then you were already involving them indirectly in your domestic disputes without their consent and disturbing their peace, btw. (FR, I'm sorry that you felt impugned, and that you were treated unfairly.) Concerning the OP, those who do perpetrate domestic abuse give the rest of us a bad name. To tell you the truth, I still run into experienced kinksters who don't understand the concept of consent and look upon BDSM as a free-for-all; their conversation invariably involves a mucked-up perspective of how D/s dynamics actually work (that Dominants are supposed to impose their wills upon submissives, whose submission must be "forced" out of them instead of offered willingly). Without fully informed consent, akin to bioethical standards consisting of 3 distinct but interrelated elements (disclosure, capacity, voluntariness), the Dominant is no better than a sexual predator, a wife-beater, or an emasculating harpy.

FelineRanger -> RE: This isnt good. (9/6/2014 3:50:13 AM)
I didn't find out about it until I was in the process of moving out, when multiple neighbors came to me and informed me that she had claimed to be abused. As for "involving them without consent," it was an apartment building with the absurdly thin walls that come with it. Neighbors could hear casual conversation or a TV show without much effort, let alone me at full volume.

FieryOpal -> RE: This isnt good. (9/6/2014 4:37:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger I didn't find out about it until I was in the process of moving out, when multiple neighbors came to me and informed me that she had claimed to be abused. As for "involving them without consent," it was an apartment building with the absurdly thin walls that come with it. Neighbors could hear casual conversation or a TV show without much effort, let alone me at full volume. That's awful how you found out, but wives are not exclusive in resorting to nasty, spiteful, underhanded behavior. Most child-snatching incidents are initiated by the husband, from what I understand and in my own experience. Split-ups bring out the worst in people. Animosity can brew just as easily in business partnerships gone bust with the mud-slinging. (You'd think the co-owners were going through a divorce!) Oh yes, I know all too well about thin walls in apt. buildings, and the furtive, knowing glances of my neighbors when I was a young wife. (I was quite vocal during sex.) [;)] If you have a booming voice, it can sound as if you're shouting when you're not.

FelineRanger -> RE: This isnt good. (9/6/2014 11:33:25 AM)
Oh, make no mistake, I know very well that nasty, spiteful, underhanded behavior is not the exclusive province of wives. I've encountered coworkers and supervisors who were every bit as sneaky and cowardly as my ex. Ask me, the guy who was in the USAF during Desert Storm, about working for former members of the Republican Guard some time. (Just not here because I'd hate to hijack the thread [sm=flying.gif])

littleladybug -> RE: This isnt good. (9/8/2014 4:27:55 PM)
There could be a hell of a lot of "innocent" reasons for hearing loud noises coming from a neighbor's place. Having been on the "calling" and "receiving" end, I will say that it's NOT a big deal to make the call. However, it is extremely unfortunate that people use this for their own advantage. I know, in my "situation", the police came and separated us immediately. Yes, they were also chatting with him....but they were way more focused on me. The situation was diffused quickly when the police realized I wasn't in danger. If I had made a peep about something being untoward....things would have been a whole hell of a lot different. So, FelineRanger, I get where you are coming from....to the extent I can "get it". Even hearing your story, I would encourage people to call the police if something about the situation doesn't feel right to them. IMO, err on the side of caution....

KYsissy -> RE: This isnt good. (9/8/2014 4:39:55 PM)
I have come close to calling the cops on a neighbors fight (150 yards away mind you) but just as I picked up the phone to dial, they were in the front yard and he got in his car and left. I dont think he ever came back.

FieryOpal -> RE: This isnt good. (9/21/2014 12:24:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Oh, make no mistake, I know very well that nasty, spiteful, underhanded behavior is not the exclusive province of wives. I've encountered coworkers and supervisors who were every bit as sneaky and cowardly as my ex. Ask me, the guy who was in the USAF during Desert Storm, about working for former members of the Republican Guard some time. (Just not here because I'd hate to hijack the thread [sm=flying.gif]) Dang it, Bill. This thread needs to get hijacked and I never got around to sending you a PM. So what's the scoop?[sm=hyper.gif] [Edited for name]

thompsonx -> RE: This isnt good. (9/23/2014 5:54:07 PM)
ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Ask me, the guy who was in the USAF during Desert Storm, about working for former members of the Republican Guard some time. Back in the olden days it was common enough not to be uncommon for some folks to "moonlight" as perimeter security for air amerika and their subsidiaries. Why would that change?

FelineRanger -> RE: This isnt good. (9/23/2014 6:33:55 PM)
Presumption of circumstances by the completely ignorant force me to respond with facts. Actually, I had been a civilian for several years by then and was performing field work for a wireless company that happened to be owned by former members of the Republican Guard. Having been hired by the company through an agency, I was ignorant of this and mentioned that I served during Desert Storm in the course of casual conversation. In the two week period following that mention, my immediate supervisor became increasingly hostile toward me, culminating in a two day stretch where he stuck me with an 18 hour day and demanded that I appear after less than 4 hours sleep. My employment there ended when he tried to grab the laptop out of my hand and I decked him.

thompsonx -> RE: This isnt good. (9/24/2014 3:52:30 PM)
ORIGINAL: FelineRanger Presumption of circumstances by the completely ignorant force me to respond with facts. Actually, I had been a civilian for several years by then and was performing field work for a wireless company that happened to be owned by former members of the Republican Guard. Having been hired by the company through an agency, I was ignorant of this and mentioned that I served during Desert Storm in the course of casual conversation. In the two week period following that mention, my immediate supervisor became increasingly hostile toward me, culminating in a two day stretch where he stuck me with an 18 hour day and demanded that I appear after less than 4 hours sleep. My employment there ended when he tried to grab the laptop out of my hand and I decked him. I absolutely misunderstood your post. That you would go back there and take a job with someone your possie had previously tried to kill confuses me. I am surprised they did not kill you. Yes I understand you did not know the particular individuals history. I would imagine most everyone in that country hates us. I am glad you got out in one piece. My reference was to the illegal cargos that f/t and a/a and associates were hauling and paying riflemen a months pay for a nights work to protect.

Misspuppygirl -> RE: This isnt good. (9/25/2014 6:15:09 PM)
There is a VERY fine line between BDSM \| and \| Torture/ criminal behavior. So sad

FieryOpal -> RE: This isnt good. (9/25/2014 10:19:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Misspuppygirl There is a VERY fine line between BDSM \| and \| Torture/ criminal behavior. So sad Without fully informed consent, these are abusive acts and abusive behavior, not BDSM. You (plural) can dance around it all you like, but this is why I don't go for mindfucks. Whenever you have one party instigating against the other party's will, there is no consent. I don't see there being any grey areas here. Whether it's prior consent that was given or a mutual understanding between two capable-minded adults who don't have diminished mental capacity, this is black & white. If there is any ambiguity, then the critical area of consent has been compromised. In that case, NO does emphatically mean NO. [sm=shame.gif] Also, there are some (not always s-types or bottoms) who are oblivious to the fact that consent can be withdrawn at any time. The very institution of a safe word solidifies the concept of temporary suspension or momentary withdrawal of consent, which may or may not become a permanent withdrawal, depending on the circumstances.

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