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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/26/2014 5:21:48 PM   
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I expect most people here have seen enough of your posts to be experts.


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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/27/2014 7:40:20 PM   
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Bullshit.
You posted many times denying that AQ existed and claiming variously that OBL didn't exist or was long dead. I had to point out your mistakes many times just as I now have to point out that a NYFD chief would know next to nothing about building demolition and would never order a building exploded while his own people were still inside. He clearly was responding to a report that the fire was out of control and saying to pull his people out. Imagining some weird delayed demolition of the building is silly beyond belief.

Like I said, you will have to point them out about OBL. I knew he existed and commented on it. I knew he recruited from the Taliban and wrote about it here. I know he was purposefully allowed to escape at Tora Bora when surrounded by 2200 of our forces. Even some involved declared later that the order came from the white house.

What I have believed and also wrote about was that I don't suspect he lasted long enough for Obama to kill him as he had acute kidney problems necessitating dialysis on a regular basis before and as of 2001 having been treated in a Yemeni hospital that summer. What mistakes have you pointed out ?

Correcting you once again: what I said was that in an interview Silverstein told the interviewer that he had agreed with the assessment of someone on the phone, whoever he was speaking to, that he said himself, not the other person, that 7 should be 'pulled.'

It's all irrelevant anyway as such steel structure bldgs. do not go into free fall from small fires...ever !!

I will say that a group network or not, of terrorists named Al-Quada, was unknown and to the American public an entirely new name (publicly) after 9/11.

Curious how in a matter of just days, the admin. was an expert on them and also curious how so many in the press never heard the term either, yet repeated everything govt. gave them as if they had been a well known problem long predating 9/11. (I never heard of them prior to 9/11)

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/27/2014 7:43:02 PM   
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I would suggest quoting only the pertinent points rather than the entire wall of text.

To use the current cyber vernacular, tl;dr. Sorry.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/27/2014 9:30:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Bullshit.
You posted many times denying that AQ existed and claiming variously that OBL didn't exist or was long dead. I had to point out your mistakes many times just as I now have to point out that a NYFD chief would know next to nothing about building demolition and would never order a building exploded while his own people were still inside. He clearly was responding to a report that the fire was out of control and saying to pull his people out. Imagining some weird delayed demolition of the building is silly beyond belief.

Like I said, you will have to point them out about OBL. I knew he existed and commented on it. I knew he recruited from the Taliban and wrote about it here. I know he was purposefully allowed to escape at Tora Bora when surrounded by 2200 of our forces. Even some involved declared later that the order came from the white house.

What I have believed and also wrote about was that I don't suspect he lasted long enough for Obama to kill him as he had acute kidney problems necessitating dialysis on a regular basis before and as of 2001 having been treated in a Yemeni hospital that summer. What mistakes have you pointed out ?

he was in kidney failure but not yet on dialysis. there is a difference, trust me on this.

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Correcting you once again: what I said was that in an interview Silverstein told the interviewer that he had agreed with the assessment of someone on the phone, whoever he was speaking to, that he said himself, not the other person, that 7 should be 'pulled.'

bullshit.

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It's all irrelevant anyway as such steel structure bldgs. do not go into free fall from small fires...ever !!

it wasn't a small fire.

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I will say that a group network or not, of terrorists named Al-Quada, was unknown and to the American public an entirely new name (publicly) after 9/11.

It wasn't unknown to people paying attention. AQ had attacked the Cole and the African embassies prior to 9/11.

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Curious how in a matter of just days, the admin. was an expert on them and also curious how so many in the press never heard the term either, yet repeated everything govt. gave them as if they had been a well known problem long predating 9/11. (I never heard of them prior to 9/11)
The admin had experts on them because the Clinton admin had been hunting them for several years and left people in place. Which you'd know if you didn't believe dumbass conspiracy crap but actually did actual research.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/27/2014 9:59:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: L8bloomer

I would suggest quoting only the pertinent points rather than the entire wall of text.

To use the current cyber vernacular, tl;dr. Sorry.

Seconded.

I sometimes miss XI's reminders to "trim your quotes."

It would help if CollarChat found a way to mke the reply function quote highlighted text as it used to.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/27/2014 11:57:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Bullshit.
You posted many times denying that AQ existed and claiming variously that OBL didn't exist or was long dead. I had to point out your mistakes many times just as I now have to point out that a NYFD chief would know next to nothing about building demolition and would never order a building exploded while his own people were still inside. He clearly was responding to a report that the fire was out of control and saying to pull his people out. Imagining some weird delayed demolition of the building is silly beyond belief.

Like I said, you will have to point them out about OBL. I knew he existed and commented on it. I knew he recruited from the Taliban and wrote about it here. I know he was purposefully allowed to escape at Tora Bora when surrounded by 2200 of our forces. Even some involved declared later that the order came from the white house.

What I have believed and also wrote about was that I don't suspect he lasted long enough for Obama to kill him as he had acute kidney problems necessitating dialysis on a regular basis before and as of 2001 having been treated in a Yemeni hospital that summer. What mistakes have you pointed out ?

he was in kidney failure but not yet on dialysis. there is a difference, trust me on this.

quote:

Correcting you once again: what I said was that in an interview Silverstein told the interviewer that he had agreed with the assessment of someone on the phone, whoever he was speaking to, that he said himself, not the other person, that 7 should be 'pulled.'

bullshit.

quote:

It's all irrelevant anyway as such steel structure bldgs. do not go into free fall from small fires...ever !!

it wasn't a small fire.

quote:

I will say that a group network or not, of terrorists named Al-Quada, was unknown and to the American public an entirely new name (publicly) after 9/11.

It wasn't unknown to people paying attention. AQ had attacked the Cole and the African embassies prior to 9/11.

quote:

Curious how in a matter of just days, the admin. was an expert on them and also curious how so many in the press never heard the term either, yet repeated everything govt. gave them as if they had been a well known problem long predating 9/11. (I never heard of them prior to 9/11)
The admin had experts on them because the Clinton admin had been hunting them for several years and left people in place. Which you'd know if you didn't believe dumbass conspiracy crap but actually did actual research.

I do not believe most anything coming from out govt. since our govt. has denied what many foreign govts. and press including the BBC have said is in fact true. OBL was in kidney failure which means soon there after a requirement for treatment and was in fact getting treated in the summer of 2001. Yet are to believe he lived all of these years, could have been taken alive, even by the Seals and was conveniently killed and dropped into the sea. And it was Dubai not Yemen

The CIA named Al Qqueda before any attacks on the Cole or any American target and we made them very handy on which to place blame for any terrorist attacks.

Then Clinton admin. never implicated Al-Queada as it was first promulgated in the press that [they] claimed responsibility. How nice of them. You see, once again, because our govt. says it...makes it so despite their 'dumbass' conspiracy crap we get for it.

No investigations, boogey men created by the CIA, plane crashes with no planes, public press going along saying these people are now terrorists and cause all of these attacks that magically cause a steel bldg. on fire to free fall and we are all supposed to buy it all.

Unbelievable.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/28/2014 1:50:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
I do not believe most anything coming from out govt.


Apparently you do not believe anyone that doesn't agree with your fantasies and delusions.....

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
since our govt. has denied what many foreign govts. and press including the BBC have said is in fact true.


Cite Sources. I want it from all the different governments and the BBC.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
OBL was in kidney failure which means soon there after a requirement for treatment and was in fact getting treated in the summer of 2001. Yet are to believe he lived all of these years, could have been taken alive, even by the Seals and was conveniently killed and dropped into the sea.


This is a Seal.


This is what US Navy SEALs look like

US NAVY SEALs

Notice any difference? I bring it up since you stated you don't believe anything from the US Government. The SEALs (Sea Air Land teams) are part of the US Navy whom are part of the US Military, whom is part of the US Government.

If the US Military states they got the guy that masterminded 9/11, I'm willing to believe them. They don't tend to fuck around in politics!

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The CIA named Al Qaeda before any attacks on the Cole or any American target and we made them very handy on which to place blame for any terrorist attacks.


This will come as a shock to you; but the CIA does keep tabs on groups of people. Kind of like how the FBI does the same but outside the United States. Unless of course you want us to believe COBRA was the real villains?

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Then Clinton admin. never implicated Al-Queada as it was first promulgated in the press that [they] claimed responsibility. How nice of them. You see, once again, because our govt. says it...makes it so despite their 'dumbass' conspiracy crap we get for it.


Yeah, your 'Facts' are in dire need of updating.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
No investigations, boogey men created by the CIA, plane crashes with no planes, public press going along saying these people are now terrorists and cause all of these attacks that magically cause a steel bldg. on fire to free fall and we are all supposed to buy it all.


Actually, no. That is why we...INVESTIGATE...things. We use many tools to understand the chain of events as they took place. The only people that cant accept reality are the mentally compromised. The sort of people who should...NOT...be allowed online. The World Trade Center buildings both collapse due to conditions that have been well studied and understood to date. The one that hit the Pentagon has been studied and there are many documentaries explaining the process and chain of events. There was no magic involved in either location; just science. But I guess the concept of 'science' must be 'magical' to you....

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Unbelievable.


The only unbelievable thing here, is that all us sane individuals have to explain reality to someone that cant understand the difference between fact and fiction.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/28/2014 1:56:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I do not believe most anything coming from out govt. since our govt. has denied what many foreign govts. and press including the BBC have said is in fact true. OBL was in kidney failure which means soon there after a requirement for treatment and was in fact getting treated in the summer of 2001. Yet are to believe he lived all of these years, could have been taken alive, even by the Seals and was conveniently killed and dropped into the sea. And it was Dubai not Yemen

people can be in kidney failure for years before actually needing dialysis. It all depends on how quickly things progress. My failure went very rapidly but I know people who took over a decade from diagnosis to needing dialysis. And it is possible to arrest the disease at some intermediate stage and never actually reach end stage.

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The CIA named Al Qqueda before any attacks on the Cole or any American target and we made them very handy on which to place blame for any terrorist attacks.
AQ named itself long before the CIA fact book reprted the name.

quote:

Then Clinton admin. never implicated Al-Queada as it was first promulgated in the press that [they] claimed responsibility. How nice of them. You see, once again, because our govt. says it...makes it so despite their 'dumbass' conspiracy crap we get for it.

It's called them admitting to it. 


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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/28/2014 3:10:44 AM   
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This is a Seal.
[image]image of critter[/image]



That picture of a seal, coupled with your avatar photo reminds me of a joke.

A vacationing penguin is driving his car through Arizona when he notices that the oil pressure light is on. He gets out to look and sees oil dripping out of the motor. He drives to the nearest town and stops at the first gas station.

After dropping the car off, the penguin goes for a walk around town. He sees an ice-cream shop and, being a penguin in Arizona, decides that something cold would really hit the spot. He gets a big dish of ice cream and sits down to eat. Having no hands he makes a real mess trying to eat with his flippers. After finishing his ice cream, he goes back to the gas station and asks the mechanic if he's found the problem. The mechanic looks up and says "It looks like you blew a seal."

"No no," the penguin replies, "it's just ice cream."


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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/28/2014 7:42:31 PM   
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I am not going on with this as there are obvious unanswered questions that will never be answered because they are part & parcel of the cover up.

Suffice it to say that millions of people and 1000's of scientists and pilots here and all over the world and people who have been professionals in the various businesses agree with me and say that the US govt. story on 9/11 is either incomplete at best...terribly wrong at worst.

The govt., spent $60 million investigating the Clintons and $600,000 investing this mass murder. (1%) Most of the 9/11 comm. members have disavowed its own report's contents.

I am too tired of this to list all of the obvious and ridiculous unanswered questions and all anyone who questions the govt. story gets is vitriol or if they go public...dead.

Still, it does amaze me how the govt. of Obama and Bush II can be so distastefully corrupt, incompetent and unbelievable on all other levels yet are right on when it comes 9/11.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/29/2014 4:19:21 AM   
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Yeah I remember Bush saying that they hated us for our freedom.



I think 'they' see consumers, machines buying and selling things, and in their world that isn't freedom.




I disagree. I believe groups like ISIS hate us because of what we do and not because of who we are.

You only have to look at any hate speeches from radical Islamic groups to see its not about the Americans liberal character but about Americas military intervention. Every speech talks exclusively about leaving them alone.


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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/29/2014 6:09:49 AM   
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Nonsense. You've been drinking the kool-aid.

ISIS doesn't hate us. We're not the center of the universe. We're simply standing in the way of their party, and so an enemy.

And we did stand by and watch a corrupt Iraqi leader prosecute the Shia. It's hardly surprising someone rose up.

Now, we hate ISIS because they're a violent group who doesn't see the world the way we do.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/29/2014 12:22:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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Yeah I remember Bush saying that they hated us for our freedom.



I think 'they' see consumers, machines buying and selling things, and in their world that isn't freedom.




I disagree. I believe groups like ISIS hate us because of what we do and not because of who we are.

You only have to look at any hate speeches from radical Islamic groups to see its not about the Americans liberal character but about Americas military intervention. Every speech talks exclusively about leaving them alone.



Then we agree, because the point I was making is they don't necessarily see the West as 'free', and therefore they can't hate the West for something that they do not see in the first place.

Clearly, their number one target is the United States. Then we probably come in at number 2 on the list.



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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/30/2014 7:10:13 AM   
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If the US Military states they got the guy that masterminded 9/11, I'm willing to believe them. They don't tend to fuck around in politics!


The u.s. military has fucked around in politics since george washington...get a clue.



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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 9/30/2014 7:13:16 AM   
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Well, to be perfectly punctilious, even prior to that:

The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 10/2/2014 3:59:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: joether

If the US Military states they got the guy that masterminded 9/11, I'm willing to believe them. They don't tend to fuck around in politics!


The u.s. military has fucked around in politics since george washington...get a clue.



well here is a recent 2014 interview with a 30+ year architectural engineer who is part of a large engineering community of engineers looking into the investigation of the tower collapses, and he talks about what has been found so far despite the government roadblocking literally everything.

Of all things the government refused to release a complete set of drawings for the buildings for fear of being sued and required non suit signatures.

So for people who have not kept their finger on the pulse of this ongoing matter should find this interview extremely informative and easy since its voice only.



This is gage on cspan mountains of great information

CSPAN: Richard Gage Interview, Architects and Engineers Speak Out about 911

9/11: Psychologists Speak Out

The 911 private investigative engineering community is a steadily growing community.






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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 10/2/2014 4:33:45 PM   
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There is no demolition evidence in any of those pictures.



Sure there is.

Freefall is proven and acknowledged by agency.

Sundar of NIST explained that freefall can 'only' occur when there is no structural support to offer any resistance to gravity. That said it goes without saying that the only way to 'remove" the supporting structure is by some sort of explosives.

Compound that with the problem of symmetrical collapse into the most resistance instead of simply tipping over as would be expected if the governments story were true.

The american people have all been subjected to crime at the highest levels.

The video that we seen countless times ad obnoxiously as the television announcer said was very poor cgi with easily detectable errors.



we can see the cgi video transparency lol



and there is a reward for anyone who can produce an original high resolution video showing a real plane impact.




since this one is such an obvious fake.



the only real investigation that has been done on this so far is from private parties, all the government did was sweep everything under the table which of course is criminal negligence and spoliation of evidence.






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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 10/2/2014 4:50:47 PM   
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Oh goodie, more bullshit conspiracies about 9/11. Thanks RO

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 10/2/2014 5:01:21 PM   
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There must have been a big sale on tinfoil at Costco, the nutjob is back.

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RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy - 10/2/2014 5:07:11 PM   
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Just think, theres a 100,000 biguns in it for ya and all you need is a real video of a plane impact. Thousands of cameras were rolling and all that exists is 2 and both are insultingly fake. So it should be very easy for anyone to collect! Otherwise if you believe you have the ability to formulate a reasonable argument to dispute the material evidence and dispose the counterclaims by all means lay it out on the table. Simply standing on the soapbox like certain others yelling out logical fallacies or attempts to poison the well really does not go too far in todays internet climate. You may want to consider watching the cspan interview posted earlier to view some of the evidence and hear it from the spokesman of several architectural veteran in the industry and well as psychologists that talk about the psychosis people experience in these kinds of events that prevent them from dealing with reality. gtg :)

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