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Sanity -> RE: Heads are going to roll (9/15/2014 3:22:31 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
How much threat do they pose the US, by beheading two journalists?
How much of a threat do they pose regardless of the two beheadings? Who really knows? And that's the problem. We really have no idea. But they seem to have a rather large, heavily armed organization that's smuggling oil, dealing in hostages, taking territory they're not entitled to, executing people at will, and pulling down some huge funding in the process. All the while, threatening to destroy western countries.
Don't get me wrong, DS. I'm not as excited as you may think to be dropping bombs and troops back into Iraq. I've got friends and family in the military that I'd much rather not see deployed. But I'm quickly getting to the point where I see no alternative in dealing with ISIS.
Where is the Constitutional authority to act?
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What risk is there of creating another - perhaps worse - group if we go in guns a-blazing and destroy ISIS?
Just how much worse do you think it can get? Should we wait until they use a WMD?
How many people would have thought it would get worse than al Qaeda?
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Do we also bomb parts of London in our efforts to wipe out ISIS? Or Germany? France?
Now you're just being absurd. Until ISIS starts attacking and taking territory in Europe, I think those governments are capable of handling things inside their own borders just fine. Iraq and Syria apparently aren't.
Am I? Germany banned support for ISIS. 1 in 6 people responding in France supported ISIS. There are people openly recruiting for ISIS in London.
Why are we the World Police?
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Where do we stop in our destruction of ISIS?
It shouldn't be just about destroying ISIS. We shouldn't be abandoning any opportunity to get them to a negotiation table that could stop the violence. But until they understand we're not just going to let them run roughshod over anyone they want why would they stop?
Why are we the World Police?
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It doesn't matter what they want to do to us.
Yes it does. Do you seriously think all their talk about destroying western culture while they build an army is just posturing? Should we have just ignored Kruschev when he threatened to bury us? How would our allies have liked that?
ISIS doesn't have the ability to do what they want. I don't think they are on par with Krushchev.
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You think Putin wants nothing but lollipops and cotton candy for us? North Korea? China? Iran?
Nope. And you better get yourself ready because those wars are coming.
So, why aren't we talking about bombing them? Those countries have a much greater ability and capacity to attack us than ISIS.
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What we are looking at is a group of radicals who allege they are following Islam (I'm neither supporting, nor refuting the accuracy of their allegation), and acting in very barbaric ways. But, is ISIS really a group, or does it ascend from the physical to the symbolic? Al Qaeda isn't gone. It's been decimated, but it's not gone. ISIS is one off-shoot. I don't think we can destroy al Qaeda or ISIS... ever. What those groups represent will always be around. Always.
Yup. So your plan is to let them run around acting barbaric as long as they don't attack you?
Where is our authority to act? It sure isn't in the US Constitution. It isn't in our NATO treaty. It hasn't even been granted by the UN. We don't have the authority to take down ISIS.
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Do you really believe that we'd end terrorism if we turned the Middle East into a sea of glass (or even if we killed only ISIS supporters and no one else)?
Nope. Violent zealotry, like any other crime, will probably be around forever. That doesn't make it acceptable.
So, perhaps a different way of dealing with it is in order? Or, let the Middle East deal with Middle Eastern problems?
Just bold your text, and you could almost be a certain someones twin.
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