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smileforme50 -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/16/2014 8:18:08 PM)

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/16/2014 8:22:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


Punishment is quite real. Fuck up bad enough around here they make you a Mod. Yep, internet Auschwitz, baby. Fight it and you're moderating P&R.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/16/2014 10:00:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


Punishment is quite real. Fuck up bad enough around here they make you a Mod. Yep, internet Auschwitz, baby. Fight it and you're moderating P&R.
hooooo...just give me a chance. "Every-fucking-body...out of the pool. You're suspended. You're banned. And you...outta here for three goddamn months. GO!!"[&:]




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/16/2014 10:03:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


Punishment is quite real. Fuck up bad enough around here they make you a Mod. Yep, internet Auschwitz, baby. Fight it and you're moderating P&R.


Talk about cruel and unusual punishment! I oughta throw the Geneva Convention at you! [:)]




DaddySatyr -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/16/2014 10:03:21 PM)


I don't know that we can compare a small, almost insignificant place like this to Auschwitz. My Grandfather's brother died at Auschwitz. I think there's differences (Though, I do appreciate a good slam).







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




MariaB -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 1:33:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


We could also ask age players, "are you ADULTS" and we could tell human animals to "GROW UP" A dynamic is merely a dynamic and harms nobody. I try to be more tolerant of other peoples kinks.




InHisHeart -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 4:28:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


It can simply be what a couple wants in their relationship. If you're questioning are these subs adults and shouldn't they know how to handle a situation without another adult punishing, can't you say that about D/s relationship in generals where in many relationships the Dom has the final say in a decision to be made, the Dom makes the rules, the Dom is in charge, etc.?

I am an adult and being an adult, I made the decision to be with a Dom that does give out discipline. It has nothing to do with me not knowing how to handle a situation. If I didn't want a relationship that includes discipline, I would have made the decision without a second thought not to be with him. It's the dynamics we want in our relationship.





SimplyMichael -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 6:21:40 AM)

If someone is enjoying what they do, we should respect that, smoking, shooting heroin, doing speedballs and meth! "Enjoyment" as a standard is, in my opinion, rather oblivious to the fact humans can enjoy some pretty self destructive paths. I prefer "thriving" which while still utterly arbitrary does at least give a yardstick that has the potential to seperate healthy from self destructive and is also an easier division between hot brutal, forceful play and abusive brutal and forceful force.




smileforme50 -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 8:43:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


We could also ask age players, "are you ADULTS" and we could tell human animals to "GROW UP" A dynamic is merely a dynamic and harms nobody. I try to be more tolerant of other peoples kinks.



But I was talking about age players.... I was talking about Domestic Discipline. Totally different topic.

But heck.... If I'm into age play and as my Daddy's 7 year old lg I get in trouble for a DUI..... Then we really have some serious problems with this 7 year- old drinking and driving before she's legal

ETA....ACK! I meant to say I was NOT talking about age players.
Damned phone....




MariaB -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 9:09:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


We could also ask age players, "are you ADULTS" and we could tell human animals to "GROW UP" A dynamic is merely a dynamic and harms nobody. I try to be more tolerant of other peoples kinks.



But I was talking about age players.... I was talking about Domestic Discipline. Totally different topic.

But heck.... If I'm into age play and as my Daddy's 7 year old lg I get in trouble for a DUI..... Then we really have some serious problems with this 7 year- old drinking and driving before she's legal



We are talking about kinks and their differences. Some like one kink whilst others don't and that's fine but who are we, of all people to mock it?




smileforme50 -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 9:43:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: InHisHeart


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


It can simply be what a couple wants in their relationship. If you're questioning are these subs adults and shouldn't they know how to handle a situation without another adult punishing, can't you say that about D/s relationship in generals where in many relationships the Dom has the final say in a decision to be made, the Dom makes the rules, the Dom is in charge, etc.?

I am an adult and being an adult, I made the decision to be with a Dom that does give out discipline. It has nothing to do with me not knowing how to handle a situation. If I didn't want a relationship that includes discipline, I would have made the decision without a second thought not to be with him. It's the dynamics we want in our relationship.




I guess my question is that I what I see in most traditional DD relationships is the submissive (usually woman) being punished for doing things that most even in the vanilla world consider to be "common sense". I can understand a Dom punishing a sub for not following a rule that she has never had to follow before in her life until meeting this Dom and is trying to get used to it.

But what I always hear about in DD relationships is them getting punished for things they should have learned from their parents when they were a child.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 10:02:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I don't know that we can compare a small, almost insignificant place like this to Auschwitz. My Grandfather's brother died at Auschwitz. I think there's differences (Though, I do appreciate a good slam).







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?


I could've went with Yangzhou, but for effect, people needed to know wtf I was talking about.

Jus sayin




CreativeDominant -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 10:17:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


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ORIGINAL: InHisHeart


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I never understand the whole punishment dynamic....does nothing for me. This is what totally drives me crazy about "Domestic Discipline". I read things about DD where the wife will be punished for spending money she shouldn't have, getting into an argument with a neighbor or relative, or doing something physically reckless....and all I can think is...."Are these women ADULTS?? Shouldn't they know how to handle these situations without another adult punishing her??

Rewards on the other hand.....hey...."Diamonds are a girl's best friend!"


It can simply be what a couple wants in their relationship. If you're questioning are these subs adults and shouldn't they know how to handle a situation without another adult punishing, can't you say that about D/s relationship in generals where in many relationships the Dom has the final say in a decision to be made, the Dom makes the rules, the Dom is in charge, etc.?

I am an adult and being an adult, I made the decision to be with a Dom that does give out discipline. It has nothing to do with me not knowing how to handle a situation. If I didn't want a relationship that includes discipline, I would have made the decision without a second thought not to be with him. It's the dynamics we want in our relationship.




I guess my question is that I what I see in most traditional DD relationships is the submissive (usually woman) being punished for doing things that most even in the vanilla world consider to be "common sense". I can understand a Dom punishing a sub for not following a rule that she has never had to follow before in her life until meeting this Dom and is trying to get used to it.

But what I always hear about in DD relationships is them getting punished for things they should have learned from their parents when they were a child.
If, by DD, you mean Daddy-daughter relationships, that's kind of the point for some...the girl needs (or wants) to be punished as a child would be (in those that include punishment as a dynamic).

In D/s, you sometimes hear differing concepts of discipline vs punishment. And...like so much in BDSM...it is used in differing ways for differing infractions or for training (I know...another controversial word).

It depends on the dynamic...to each couple, their own. But I will tell you one thing...before I entered into a dynamic with a Dominant, were I submissive, I'd make damn sure there was a conversation about their point of view about correction, discipline, punishment, funishment...and my own view.




Domnotlooking -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 10:18:56 AM)

No. Her life is punitive enough. I'm happy to be recess from that.

If anything, she's too good. I'm not a dom, I'm just a traffic cop of slavey gushiness impulses.





InHisHeart -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 1:13:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

I guess my question is that I what I see in most traditional DD relationships is the submissive (usually woman) being punished for doing things that most even in the vanilla world consider to be "common sense". I can understand a Dom punishing a sub for not following a rule that she has never had to follow before in her life until meeting this Dom and is trying to get used to it.

But what I always hear about in DD relationships is them getting punished for things they should have learned from their parents when they were a child.


Do you mean DD as domestic discipline or daddy/daughter relationship (as someone else mentioned?) If Daddy/daughter, that is not our relationship. If you mean domestic discipline, that is involved in our relationship. As I said in my first reply on this thread, it's very rare when I'm disciplined and when I am it is most likely due to talking back sarcastically when he has made a decision or not doing something he tells me to do.

I'll give an example of the last time it happened (approximately a year ago). We were watching TV and our dogs started busting our ass to go out. I got up to let them out and he told me not to because they were out for an hour 20 minutes earlier. I should have just said "ok" but I didn't. I asked him what the big deal was, if they want to go out why not let them out. He said they'll be out for 2 minutes and want to come back in, they don't have to go out, they're fine till later on. I still didn't let it go, I got snippy with him, asked him how he knows whether or not they have to fucking piss or shit and said if one of them pisses/shits on the floor, you get to clean it up.

He gave me two opportunities to listen to him and do as he said (underlined above) but I kept pushing the issue. Do I normally push a non-issue such as that? No, I don't! I was in a bitchy mood that day, it was one of those days where anything that can go wrong, will go wrong and I pushed his buttons when I shouldn't have.

He does not tolerate the kind of bullshit I gave him and I am fully aware of it.

My discipline for this was I had to cook dinner for the next 2 nights and he decided what I was to cook. He does most of the cooking, he enjoys doing it and he knows I don't. I'm a good cook but I despise cooking, I find no enjoyment in it at all and I did enough of it when I was with my former Dom/husband and raising our family for over 20 years and have since retired myself from cooking!

He never uses corporal punishment or anything we do during play as a form of punishment, he never confuses play items (flogger, paddle, etc.) with discipline. My punishments are things I don't like, two that he uses often are cooking and going to HomeDepot/Lowes with him. I like going to those stores by myself, I'm in and out.........with him is a whole different story. He's always working on a project and thinking of what he needs for the next project he has lined up (right now he's gutting and redoing the garage) so when he goes to a hardware store, pack a lunch cause we'll be there for a long time and it bores the hell out of me.

As CreativeDominant said.....
"It depends on the dynamic...to each couple, their own. But I will tell you one thing...before I entered into a dynamic with a Dominant, were I submissive, I'd make damn sure there was a conversation about their point of view about correction, discipline, punishment, funishment...and my own view." Absolutely! We discussed these things in depth from the beginning when we first started talking before we were even in a relationship, there was no stone left unturned, there was no confusion about his expectations or my expectations.




GoddessManko -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 2:49:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetlySadistic1

No punishment dynamic here. My boys are good boys and they're that way because they genuinely want to submit, not because of any punishment. Yes, there is funishment but that's because we both really want it. Any real issues come up and we talk them out, discover what caused them in the first place and what we will do to avoid them happening again in the future. We have a "talk it out like two adults" kind of dynamic.

SweetlySadistic1


Forgive me, but you completely contradicted yourself there. If said sub hypothetically does a task incorrectly or not at all (maybe he is absent minded in nature and forgot and he needs WORK in that area as a person), what then is your response? Or do you only hold him accountable on his terms? Is that the way it works now? That was my understanding based on your comments. Also no one said punishment was necessary to make anyone submit, it's to make them improve and redirect their efforts, or rather should be. I'm not a fan of mediocrity personally. But maybe some are or they're just not that attached to their boys. Like prodommes for instance, but speaking in the context of D/s and not activity play only. Where there is a power exchange without expectation.

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DaddySatyr raised the point that punishment, when some submissives so thoroughly punish themselves, just feels like "piling on" sometimes. That's ringing pretty damned true to my situation as well. He beats himself up just fine.


LOL,OK, apparently some of you are missing my very obvious point entirely or you're just using a ridiculous bias to purposely put words unexpressed by myself into your opinions. My question to you is "HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does he know when he has done something wrong or made a mistake?"
He makes a mistake, he does something entirely wrong. And your response then is WHAT exactly? LOL. How do you prevent it from repeating itself over and over and over again?

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Punishment is quite real. Fuck up bad enough around here they make you a Mod.

That explains the previous mods, thanks for the enlightenment. "Free site, remember?"
To quote you people word for word.




shiftyw -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 3:12:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: SweetlySadistic1

No punishment dynamic here. My boys are good boys and they're that way because they genuinely want to submit, not because of any punishment. Yes, there is funishment but that's because we both really want it. Any real issues come up and we talk them out, discover what caused them in the first place and what we will do to avoid them happening again in the future. We have a "talk it out like two adults" kind of dynamic.

SweetlySadistic1


Forgive me, but you completely contradicted yourself there. If said sub hypothetically does a task incorrectly or not at all (maybe he is absent minded in nature and forgot and he needs WORK in that area as a person), what then is your response? Or do you only hold him accountable on his terms? Is that the way it works now? That was my understanding based on your comments. Also no one said punishment was necessary to make anyone submit, it's to make them improve and redirect their efforts, or rather should be. I'm not a fan of mediocrity personally. But maybe some are or they're just not that attached to their boys. Like prodommes for instance, but speaking in the context of D/s and not activity play only. Where there is a power exchange without expectation.

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DaddySatyr raised the point that punishment, when some submissives so thoroughly punish themselves, just feels like "piling on" sometimes. That's ringing pretty damned true to my situation as well. He beats himself up just fine.


LOL,OK, apparently some of you are missing my very obvious point entirely or you're just using a ridiculous bias to purposely put words unexpressed by myself into your opinions. My question to you is "HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does he know when he has done something wrong or made a mistake?"
He makes a mistake, he does something entirely wrong. And your response then is WHAT exactly? LOL. How do you prevent it from repeating itself over and over and over again?

quote:

Punishment is quite real. Fuck up bad enough around here they make you a Mod.

That explains the previous mods, thanks for the enlightenment. "Free site, remember?"
To quote you people word for word.



Um...mine just talks to me if I've made a mistake. Like a normal person.

OUR funishment goes like this.

I intentionally do something I know irritates the shit out of him. Or he finds some flimsy excuse to get mad at me. We both know whats happening.
Next I know...I'm bent over the bed and I'm getting flogged. Neither of us actually commit a transgression.

If I go out and buy the wrong kind of bread, and he wants to beat my ass for it, or ignore me (since that's the best way to make me feel like shit)- that isn't going to be effective to me. In fact, I'm probably going to get nasty and bitchy- and lonely- and hate myself, over some stupid shit we could've talked about like normal people.




GoddessManko -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 3:16:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Um...mine just talks to me if I've made a mistake. Like a normal person.

OUR funishment goes like this.

I intentionally do something I know irritates the shit out of him. Or he finds some flimsy excuse to get mad at me. We both know whats happening.
Next I know...I'm bent over the bed and I'm getting flogged. Neither of us actually commit a transgression.

If I go out and buy the wrong kind of bread, and he wants to beat my ass for it, or ignore me (since that's the best way to make me feel like shit)- that isn't going to be effective to me. In fact, I'm probably going to get nasty and bitchy- and lonely- and hate myself, over some stupid shit we could've talked about like normal people.


Sounds more like kink play than a power exchange dynamic. More roleplaying and such, if that makes sense.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 3:25:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I don't know that we can compare a small, almost insignificant place like this to Auschwitz. My Grandfather's brother died at Auschwitz. I think there's differences (Though, I do appreciate a good slam).





I could've went with Yangzhou, but for effect, people needed to know wtf I was talking about.

Jus sayin



It's okay. It's just very difficult, hearing that story of how he fell out of the guard tower.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




InHisHeart -> RE: Reward/Punishment (9/17/2014 3:26:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Also no one said punishment was necessary to make anyone submit, it's to make them improve and redirect their efforts, or rather should be.


ITA Manko. I have never needed discipline in order to make me submit. I submit on my own because it's what I want to do and have the desire to do so for him, he doesn't have to do anything to make me submit.

For "us", discipline is more of a reminder of what rules he has that I fully agreed to from the start and when those rules are broken, I'm disciplined for it.

He will more often than not give me a chance to correct whatever it was before any disciplinary action is taken by giving me "the look" of disapproval or like in my post above, he gave me two opportunities to knock off the crap I was giving him but I didn't.





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