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joether -> RE: A Big Win For Freedom and Equality. (10/7/2014 10:55:01 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: joether
An...WHO...came up with all these hate laws that are being overturned? The conservative Republican Party. To a least extend, the Militia Man Movement/Tea Party (one just became the other over 20+ years). And that's what happens when we allow a theocracy to control our government. The creation of laws meant to disbarred a segment of the US Population to all the rights and benefits that others enjoy. That Christian, conservative, Republican/Tea Party's 'values' do not trump other Americans. I wonder if any of those so called 'fiscal conservatives' have a running tally of how much their viewpoints have cost the American people on this issue? From start, maintaining it, and defending in losing battles across the nation. Because we all know that 'fiscal conservatives' are just so 'non-partisan' about taxpayer waste on government issues....
I'm sure all the divorce lawyers will be happy. They just increased their business profits. Not to mention caterers, 'places to hold marriages' and numerous other business enterprises that benefit from such events. And who was against all these Americans from making money? The Republican/Tea Party! Aren't they the ones that are suppose to be about businesses making money? Oh forgot, they only support THEIR Businesses, not American companies in general.
America once more triumphs over the forces of evil!
Oh my sakes. Take off your ideological blinders for two minutes, for the love of all rainbows.
Like supporting the G. W. Bush war in Iraq because of all those WMDs? Conservatives have historically for the past twenty years been many times more susceptible to ideology coming from both the Republican and Tea Party on a great number of things.
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
They were not "hate laws." It was societal norms.
Christians who hate homosexuality enough to develop something called 'DOMA'? Wouldn't 'Defending Marriage' be more about keeping divorces from taking place? Rather than keeping other people from getting married? Its called 'logic'. But no, DOMA and the state level versions of it were created to keep a segment of the population from gaining all the rights and protections of being marriage to someone they will to be attached too. You would have to ignore reality itself, to arrive at the viewpoint that these laws were....not....created out of hatred for gay, lesbian, bi, and transgendered people. The 'Christian Conservatives' on the right took over the Republican Party in the 90's. Or does the concept of 'Family Values' mean nothing to you in political terms?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
You remind me of the people decrying H.P. Lovecraft as racist. (Well, duh. Most people were. If you want authors who were not you cannot read anything written before about 1960.) I am expecting you to claim that Gatsby was black at any moment now.
And you remind me of the sort of people that burned books. While not part of the people demanding such action, but the people too scared to stand up and say 'this is wrong!'. And only after that evil was defeated you tried to claim "oh, I would have helped....but....". But everyone knows the real reasons you didn't.
Just saw this on a tshirt design today.....(while having nothing to do with the topic, you did bring up H. P. Lovecraft)
[image]http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/MICKTHULHU-MOUSE.jpg[/image]
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Societal acceptance and cultural mores have changed. People have expanded their view of inclusiveness.
Really? Go chat with all the minorities in America. That Latinos on the Southern Border of America/Mexico are accused of being here illegal even when they are US Citizens. That black Americans live in high numbers in poor sections of America and attacked by the Christian version of 'ISIS' (that's the KKK). Little children hopping the border are seen as evil when the reality is, they are trying to escape from evil. That all Muslims in America are often suspected and seen as terrorists; even when they declare they are against all that evil. Who are the people doing all these things onto people? Conservatives, libertarians, Republicans, and Tea Partiers. 'Inclusive' like many other virtuous words, are not in the conservative/libertarian mind set. The idea that marriage between a man and woman, is exclusively a Republican/Tea Party concept.
And then we have laws barring gay marriage. For what, non-Christian, reason was there to keep two consenting adults, in full control of their minds, to be allowed to marry? I've heard all the 'studies' performed that show two lesbians can not raise a child; and the information that debunked them as 'full of shit'. Its metaphorically 'Creationism verse The Theory of Evolution'.
To quote you, "People have expanded their view of inclusiveness" the most.....have been liberals. When compared to conservatives/libertarians, its like comparing ant hills (conservatives) to the mountain ranges of the Alps (Liberals). Yes, every once in a while, us liberals fuck up on that 'inclusive' idea. Yet, how often do we see conservatives and libertarians holding themselves (and the people they elect to public office) to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they bash liberals, moderates, Democrats, and President Obama?
I think I can name all those moments on one hand and have four fingers left over.....maybe five.....
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
And really, you claim that it was just republicans?
Republicans were the ones that forced all that crap through. They OWNED the governments in many states of the nation. An even to this day, they STILL defend those laws with taxpayer money. The Tea Party, ironically enough, have sided with the Republican Party, instead of being in favor of liberty for all citizens in the nation....
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