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Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries?

US airports should have closed airports from Ebola ravaged countries.

29% (13)

The US should immediately close airports from Ebola ravished countries

38% (17)

We should never close airports from any country.

11% (5)

What the hell is going to happen next in this country?

4% (2)

I could care less, until the US has at least 100 cases of Ebola

6% (3)

I am not worried, I will never get Ebola.

4% (2)

I am worried, and I have no idea what I should do.

4% (2)

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 12:47:27 PM

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Saw this on Facebook and thought it offered an interesting perspective.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 1:38:21 PM

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And then there's Jon Stewart, along the same lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhnZZw38Og

ETA...well, sort of. LOL

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 1:39:50 PM

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Myself, it doesn't matter what risks and dangers there currently are in the world. Nor even any risks and dangers that might appear in the future. I sort of know in my bones that I'm going to get hit and killed when crossing the road. Premonition. Whatever. I *know* it.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 5:18:51 PM

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This is the weirdest debate ever. Ebola is a disease with no cure right? And when a nurse gets infected with it, assumingly she really followed all the protocol and was fully protected, I have questions as to, if we are 100% certain that Ebola can only be transmitted through fluids contact?

Also that more people die of other things at the moment.

Doesn't anybody believe in prevention is better than cure at the moment?

The point is, this is something new and we hope it's statistics of killing people isn't gonna grow and compare with what's regularly killing people out there these days.

But I don't have an opinion whether they should close airports or not, but they certainly need to be doing some prevention control of an epidemic. I guess it can be scary thinking you were in the same plane with an Ebola infected individual.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 7:14:06 PM

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This is the weirdest debate ever. Ebola is a disease with no cure right? And when a nurse gets infected with it, assumingly she really followed all the protocol and was fully protected, I have questions as to, if we are 100% certain that Ebola can only be transmitted through fluids contact?

Also that more people die of other things at the moment.

Doesn't anybody believe in prevention is better than cure at the moment?
THAT was the main point of my creating THIS thread.......

PREVENTION is the best thing we can do at this time

The point is, this is something new and we hope it's statistics of killing people isn't gonna grow and compare with what's regularly killing people out there these days.

But I don't have an opinion whether they should close airports or not, but they certainly need to be doing some prevention control of an epidemic. I guess it can be scary thinking you were in the same plane with an Ebola infected individual.

At this time, I more concerned than scared,scared, but talking about ways of preventing the spread of this DEADLY disease, makes sense.
At least in my world.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 7:18:52 PM

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FR

Saw this on Facebook and thought it offered an interesting perspective.

Thanks for sharing, I love it!!

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 7:24:20 PM

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In the Health and Safety forum I started a the "All Things Ebola" thread http://www.collarchat.com/m_4741065/tm.htm. I am proposing to tie this thread together with that one and run them in parallel. The feisty political dialog here and the more academic type medical data there. While arguing various points no doubt people will bring up information much as I have that should be reproduced there and vice versa. You may find something there helpful to build a credible argument here.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 7:26:43 PM

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I don't think we need to tie these threads together.

There will be many Ebola threads in the future.

This deadly and horrible epidemic/disease ain't going anywhere any time soon.

One long million page thread is only going to cause confusion.

I created this thread, to attempt to discuss possible ways of keeping it out of this country.

Thanks for understanding.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 7:57:29 PM

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We will stick with the two current Ebola threads that are running.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:02:46 PM

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Doctors in the news are beginning to talk about what I brought up, infectious dose. An unusually low infectious dose is needed to catch Ebola. This is something people need to know about in order to stay safe.

The matter at hand should be of interest to this community in that the disease is like AIDS, but worse. Hopefully, it won't become a problem for those in the Western or Eastern world, but if it does it may be helpful to know something about this monster that is attempting to crawl up the mountain.

Why does infectious dose matter? One person in particular tried to argue that it is of no importance. I am not an expert, but I try not to be a dummy either. As I pointed out in the other thread Ebola is different from most infectious agents doctors and hospital staff are accustomed to coping with. The unusually low infectious dose is sufficient to explain the problems they have encountered. Typically small discretions are of no consequence because the infectious dose is high. Suppose you are treating people with influenza A variant. The infectious dose for influenza A variant is greater than 790 organisms http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/influenza-a-eng.php. With Ebola it is 10 http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php. You have to receive a dose that is at least 79 times greater to catch the flu than you do with Ebola. The margin of error is considerably smaller.

In a typical day you may come into contact with say 200 flu organisms despite the precautions you have taken. I'm just pulling a number out of a hat to help illustrate my point. 200 isn't enough to make you sick. The precautions you took didn't spare you from the disease; it kept you from receiving a dose sufficient to get you sick. But what if the dose is less than 200? You would go merrily go about your business thinking everything is fine when it isn't. There are all sorts of vulnerabilities, ways for the disease to get to you, that you never really paid much attention to. With this disease, a caregiver has to be on top of their game, a star player. You and your team seriously have to have your act together. You are going to have to take serious pride in getting it right because if you die who is going to replace you? Society needs you and your expertise.

What do we need to do? We need to take flu season for example this year unusually seriously because we need to reduce the number of people with Ebola like symptoms.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:09:24 PM

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Saw this on Facebook and thought it offered an interesting perspective.

The problem with this argument is that the damage these behaviors or illnesses cause society are largely stable. Their may be some fluctuation from year to year or a trend in one direction or the other, but they don't have the capacity to be the end of civilization as we know it. The perspective is not interesting, it is uninformed liberal thinking. It's dumb.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:10:29 PM

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We will stick with the two current Ebola threads that are running.

Thankies, we have to keep order in this place.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:21:21 PM

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The problem with this argument is that the damage these behaviors or illnesses cause society are largely stable. Their may be some fluctuation from year to year or a trend in one direction or the other, but they don't have the capacity to be the end of civilization as we know it. The perspective is not interesting, it is uninformed liberal thinking. It's dumb.

Dude, it's a cartoon.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:26:57 PM

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Dude, it's a cartoon.

It is a political cartoon. Why is pestilence one of the four horsemen? Because such beliefs are cartoonish? Pestilence is

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a contagious or infectious epidemic disease that is virulent and devastating.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pestilence

Ebola is such a disease.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:28:24 PM

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Thankies, we have to keep order in this place.

Are you sleeping with the moderator?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:31:33 PM

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I do hope that we are not turning this into a religious commentary. I think it will overly complicate the thread. If you wish to start a thread on religious comments on pestilence, that would be allowable as long as it doesn't turn into another Ebola thread.

Thank you

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:32:52 PM

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Thankies, we have to keep order in this place.

Are you sleeping with the moderator?

I have shown no favoritism here and have worked the forum on long standing forum guidelines. Please do not infer that I or another member would do something inappropriate.

Thank you

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:38:55 PM

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If I supposed a cure for cancer or AIDS or Ebola, you would remove the thread calling it off topic. You have little credibility in my eyes. I do not respect you. So either ban me or put up. On the other hand, if you put up with it, you may earn my respect. If you don't, you won't and so I am presenting you with a test.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 8:39:26 PM

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Good deal.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/13/2014 9:00:44 PM

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I would love to hear another idea/or idea's, on methods to attempt to keep this disease out of this country.

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