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Ebola transmission - 10/12/2014 9:07:48 AM

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Good morning! We now have transmission of Ebola in the US.

Let's face it, this is a health worker and so we really do not need to panic yet. Finding it in a nursing care facility or a ghetto-ized area would be panic worthy. But this does make the late Mr. Duncan, "Patient Zero."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/30e0b18487a5404b9dfd5fd8a6ace1bd/state-health-officials-2nd-ebola-case-texas

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/12/2014 11:49:52 AM

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I think it being a health worker is troubling. We have been hearing all along that developed countries are going to be fine, because our facilities and equipment are so much better than what's available in Africa, but between the nurse in Spain, and this individual in Texas, that is being called into question.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/13/2014 6:42:15 AM

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 9:28:09 PM

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Ebola transmission is one of the biggest questions of the day.

We are told this by the CDC: Ebola Transmission-- CDC

Those taking care of Ebola patients, need 3 days of training and also need to wear serious biohazard gear.
The way that people are reacting when many people have had very limited contact to the confirmed patients, makes many of us wonder what it is about Ebola transmission we are not being told.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 9:35:14 PM

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Ebola transmission is one of the biggest questions of the day.

We are told this by the CDC: Ebola Transmission-- CDC

Those taking care of Ebola patients, need 3 days of training and also need to wear serious biohazard gear.
The way that people are reacting when many people have had very limited contact to the confirmed patients, makes many of us wonder what it is about Ebola transmission we are not being told.

It would be nice if CDC could get their act together.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 9:46:46 PM

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BamaD, I fear that is asking to much.
The way the hospital handled caring for Duncan was a real fail.
Whatever happened to admitting you need help and can't handle the medical situation?

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 9:55:23 PM

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If I point out a little known fact.

There are four, repeat four, public hospitals in the US with the proper facilities to contain Ebola, in Nebraska, Montana, Maryland and Georgia — have the combined capacity to treat fewer than a dozen Ebola patients at one time.

Now, I got a bit curious when I heard they were tracking down every passenger on that plane, so I called my doctor, really neat guy, worked with infectious diseases before deciding to move back home and become a gp.

They tell you that ebola can be transmitted by vomit or diarrhea, a man who survived the disease can transmit it in his sperm, it can be transmitted by sputum
(spit) and sweat. Due to the quick spread since the outbreak started, some specialists, while admitted the virus dies within hours of landing on a surface, it may be possible to be transmitted by droplets from a sneeze or cough.

As for the bio hazard suits, each type of suit has a rating, and hospitals without the facilities to handle something of this magnitude rarely have the highest rated bio hazard suits. In point of fact, the only suit that is garuanteed to be 100% safe is one that is plugged into an air hose and is over pressurized. Leaving the containment zone, the suits are sprayed with three sterilizing agents, including bleach, a high concentration of hydrogen peroxide, as well as two others.

The suits are removed as one piece and then immediately incinerated. Risk of accidental infection .00001 %.

This outbreak is the largest in the known history of dealing with the virus, more people have been infected than all previous outbreaks combined. It has also spread faster than any previous outbreak. In the past, the virus had been contained within point zero where the first case was reported after WHO medical teams hit the ground. This outbreak spread past the point zero after medical teams were on the ground, and has jumped every attempt to contain it.

At this point, I have a rebuilt deuce and a half and two pickups ready to get everyone in this house to another location. Call me paranoid but when something stops behaving like previous outbreaks, I get a bit concerned.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 10:12:08 PM

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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 10:19:11 PM

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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.

If it can't be why are people who have been exposed advised not to ride the bus, take airplanes, or go other places with lots of people?

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 10:27:23 PM

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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.

If it can't be why are people who have been exposed advised not to ride the bus, take airplanes, or go other places with lots of people?

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
It certainly appears that there is some element of air transmission involved, but has it been stated ANYWHERE in the mainstream media?

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 10:38:43 PM

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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.

If it can't be why are people who have been exposed advised not to ride the bus, take airplanes, or go other places with lots of people?

It doesn't take a genius to work that one out.

An infected victim could touch anything solid (hand rail, arm rests, bodywork, door handle etc) and leave sweat behind to be picked up by anyone else touching the same place up to several days later - and catch it.

Next time you are on a bus or out and about, observe how many people absent-mindedly push or hold doors open in the same place or grip railings in the same place. It doesn't take much of the virus to have you seriously infected and most people have no natural immunity to it - and it has a mortality rate of 60-70%!!

They do consistently tell us that it is not airborne, but have you seen those adverts for the 'flu??
One of the things they emphasize is that a sneeze could contain over 2,000 droplets of nasal fluid flying at over 200mph into the atmosphere around you.
In theory, you only need one of those droplets to land on someone and they could be infected.

It does make you seriously think.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/16/2014 11:58:30 PM

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There can be water vapour in the air. Wet and humid air, might make ebola very contagious. People sneezing, scariest, spit runs out, even people talking, spit can splash out into someone else's face.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 3:13:51 AM

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There can be water vapour in the air.

There usually is to some degree unless you're in the middle of the Sahara at midday.
The humidity is almost irrelevant.

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Wet and humid air, might make ebola very contagious.

Unlike the 'flu virus which is highly contagious and airborne, Ebola lives in bodily fluids.
Humid air will make no difference to how you catch Ebola because it is not dependent on surrounding moisture.

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People sneezing, scariest, spit runs out, even people talking, spit can splash out into someone else's face.

Sneezing... possibly (but yet unproven).
I don't know of many people that slobber soo badly that they splash people's faces as they talk.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 3:20:28 AM

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With the very best will in the world. Do you not think that a whole cohort of researchers haven't already asked that question?

While I'm certain that the current understanding of how Ebola is transmitted is far from perfect, and that it will improve over time, I'm equally certain that "can Ebola be easily transmitted" is a question that is being asked rather a lot in medical research labs all over the world.

As for consipiracy theories... if a researcher comes up with evidence that Ebola can be transmitted in the same way as flu either because of a poor understanding of Ebola or because of some new mutation, they will be shouting it from the rooftops... because researchers really do prefer the world to know when they find stuff out.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 3:38:33 AM

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With the very best will in the world. Do you not think that a whole cohort of researchers haven't already asked that question?

While I'm certain that the current understanding of how Ebola is transmitted is far from perfect, and that it will improve over time, I'm equally certain that "can Ebola be easily transmitted" is a question that is being asked rather a lot in medical research labs all over the world.

As for consipiracy theories... if a researcher comes up with evidence that Ebola can be transmitted in the same way as flu either because of a poor understanding of Ebola or because of some new mutation, they will be shouting it from the rooftops... because researchers really do prefer the world to know when they find stuff out.

Ebola was discovered way back in 1976 and quite a lot is already known about it and has been known for decades since its discovery.

The virus family Filoviridae includes 3 genera: Cuevavirus, Marburgvirus, and Ebolavirus. There are 5 species that have been identified: Zaire, Bundibugyo, Sudan, Reston and Taï Forest. The first 3, Bundibugyo ebolavirus, Zaire ebolavirus, and Sudan ebolavirus have been associated with large outbreaks in Africa. The virus causing the 2014 west African outbreak belongs to the Zaire species.

The problem is, because (up until the current 2014 outbreak) it costs soo much to develop a vaccine for any bacteria/virus that the very small outbreaks that have occurred in earlier years didn't warrant the cost of developing one for Ebola.

The current outbreak in west Africa, (first cases notified in March 2014), is the largest and most complex Ebola outbreak since the Ebola virus was first discovered in 1976. There have been more cases and deaths in this outbreak than all others combined....

The most severely affected countries, Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia have very weak health systems, lacking human and infrastructural resources, having only recently emerged from long periods of conflict and instability.
Source: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 4:47:51 AM

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I don't know of many people that slobber soo badly that they splash people's faces as they talk.

I do!

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 4:54:06 AM

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I don't know of many people that slobber soo badly that they splash people's faces as they talk.

I do!

Then it must be the weird society that you live in or the particular company that you keep.

I am more than 2 decades older than you and I have traveled a fair bit but I have only ever met one person who slobbered so badly as to splash people's faces when they spoke.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 5:29:35 AM

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Then it must be the weird society that you live in or the particular company that you keep.

I am more than 2 decades older than you and I have traveled a fair bit but I have only ever met one person who slobbered so badly as to splash people's faces when they spoke.

I find it quite common for someone's slight sprinkle of spit to land on my face when they talk to me. I can feel it, I've used my hand to wipe it off my face a few times, and maybe I am alot more sensitive. After all, i can always spot the smallest ant in the poshiest restaurant too.
That's why sometimes when I talk to people, I am always moving backwards, away and further so their spit don't hit me. And I have had folks apologise to me when they see me wipe my face, they know their spit hit me when they spoke. It happens, maybe I am just unlucky.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 5:50:49 AM

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Then it must be the weird society that you live in or the particular company that you keep.

I am more than 2 decades older than you and I have traveled a fair bit but I have only ever met one person who slobbered so badly as to splash people's faces when they spoke.

I find it quite common for someone's slight sprinkle of spit to land on my face when they talk to me. I can feel it, I've used my hand to wipe it off my face a few times, and maybe I am alot more sensitive. After all, i can always spot the smallest ant in the poshiest restaurant too.
That's why sometimes when I talk to people, I am always moving backwards, away and further so their spit don't hit me. And I have had folks apologise to me when they see me wipe my face, they know their spit hit me when they spoke. It happens, maybe I am just unlucky.

Singapore was one of the few places I never managed to get to.
But from what you're saying, I wouldn't want to go there if spitting while you speak is commonplace.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 5:53:27 AM

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Singapore was one of the few places I never managed to get to.
But from what you're saying, I wouldn't want to go there if spitting while you speak is commonplace.

I bet it's been happening but you never felt it! Clearly when spit lands on your face, it's like 0.00001mm, really really tiny bit, but I am sensitive and I can feel it.

But you can be sure it's pristine and cleaner than UK here :). And spitters do get in trouble, intentional spitters.

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