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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Yep. OK.

Heads up: I've appeared on this site, using pictures that show a chubby, bald-headed bloke, though otherwise being just the personality that I always am as me, Peon, Simon. I've had no interest. The idea that women 'go for looks and not personality' is a crock. It's always been a crock. Women like to assume that they're deeper and more spiritual and men. They are not. They just like to believe that a cut set of stomach muscles indicates a beautiful emotional soul, or some such old bollocks. Let's move on from such tosh.

There *is* a shortage of men who will be willing to obey a dominant woman. We all know this because this forum is replete with posts by dominant women who complain about 'do me subs' - men . Quite apart from filtering out the men who have an 'agenda', as Akasha indicates, you also have to filter out the men who are just seriously lacking in other essential ways, to do with their personalities. This is in major part because to be male, and submissive to a female partner, you have to go through an immense struggle to remain balanced and at ease with yourself.

In short, I think a femdom needs to face it: if you get together with a malesub who's remotely near the mark for you - you should hang on to him as though he's gold dust. Your choices are seriously limited, as you will realise once you've got past the egotistical puff that you, along with every other femdom with very few exceptions, will get as a result of the sheer number of males who will hit on you in cmails.

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Furthermore, you don't know me. I once fell in love with a 300+lb man before (who was brown-eyed, Hispanic and clean-shaven, and I had only been attracted to blue-eyed Caucasian men with facial hair before) - although I don't think I can do the bald-headed bit with my hair-pulling fetish - and I didn't care whether he was any good in the sack either (yes, I was clearly out of my senses). He had the most brilliant mind of any man I had ever met and knew how to turn on the charm and make me feel like I was the most desirable woman who had ever walked the face of the earth, and that's all that mattered to me.

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The abs make for good eye candy, Peon, but it takes more than that to hold my interest. Chemistry and charm rank higher.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha



Subs who say it isn't possible, take a look:

http://www.cowboys4angels.com/

If you want in on the action, just have some of what women want and are willing to pay for. That's exactly what pro femdoms and "findommes" are doing, and you can do it too. There is a link where you can apply for a job online and it looks like the location doesn't matter, they are expanding. Their rates are comparable to high end pro femdoms, so you can quit your day job.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
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Point is ... it can happen .. yet most working men miss the opportunity.

Or decide not take it ... if offered.

So Akasha, while it can happen, I will argue it is very rare...

Correction: It is not as common as men paying for women.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Manko, I'm with you. We can get a dozen - no, make that a baker's dozen - subbly guys like those for free.

Please don't BS yourself and others about this, FO. Femdoms do need to realise what real malesubs are and can be, just as much as malesubs need to realise what real femdoms are and can be.

You misunderstood Peon. The emphasis was on subbly guys who are willing to obey (see title of this thread, "...for men to obey,") which is how I meant it. I could care less how buff, well-chiseled, good-looking or youthful they are. (I'm not a cougar in the first place.) Those kinds of things are just a bonus. Now, Manko would want guys who are in shape because she's into physical fitness and working out. The JOKE here is that there is no shortage of finding men who are willing to obey a Dominant woman--whether they're any good at it, that's hard to say. It couldn't be any worse than renting some PRETEND, play-acting sub for the night.

Besides, Manko can have the lookers and younger ones, plus she doesn't mind if they're short. I want the older, tall(er) ones with 3-digit IQs. (That might be more of a scarcity factor.)

It is tough to find a sub man without an agenda. Even the ones that try hard. You have to work with them to get around and to the ability to compromise. There are often hidden agendas. They are subs - they have fantasies.

Pay a guy? His job is to have a happy customer. Period. Same reason why a pro femdom delivers an amazing product in a well stocked dungeon and the fantasies are often met quite keenly.

These men are paid to make fantasies, or companionship, or whatever, become a reality.

And yes, they are incredibly good looking and have very nice bodies, and I bet they have some decent charisma.

Don't get me wrong - I love subs who put pleasing a woman above all else - but many want to please "any woman" (you become the fill-in-the-blank Mistress). Finding an excellent sub who really gets a rush out of serving, and THEN having incredible chemistry emotionally and physically - that's a tall order. I am not complaining - I have had great success.

But for instant-sub, just "add cash," come on. You can't argue that this is at least comparable to the ability a sub has to open a web site, pick the most attractive woman, with a nicely stocked playspace, have a passionate experience and then have no strings attached.

This thread though was mostly to point out that men who "sell themselves" to women have to work to have something to offer - these men are probably quite skilled at attentiveness, companionship and spending a lot of time on their appearance, manscaping, etiquette. Subs should invest that kind of time in their package - not just the package between their legs. The whole package.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Heads up: I've appeared on this site, using pictures that show a chubby, bald-headed bloke, though otherwise being just the personality that I always am as me, Peon, Simon. I've had no interest. The idea that women 'go for looks and not personality' is a crock. It's always been a crock. Women like to assume that they're deeper and more spiritual and men. They are not. They just like to believe that a cut set of stomach muscles indicates a beautiful emotional soul, or some such old bollocks. Let's move on from such tosh.

There *is* a shortage of men who will be willing to obey a dominant woman. We all know this because this forum is replete with posts by dominant women who complain about 'do me subs' - men . Quite apart from filtering out the men who have an 'agenda', as Akasha indicates, you also have to filter out the men who are just seriously lacking in other essential ways, to do with their personalities. This is in major part because to be male, and submissive to a female partner, you have to go through an immense struggle to remain balanced and at ease with yourself.

In short, I think a femdom needs to face it: if you get together with a malesub who's remotely near the mark for you - you should hang on to him as though he's gold dust. Your choices are seriously limited, as you will realise once you've got past the egotistical puff that you, along with every other femdom with very few exceptions, will get as a result of the sheer number of males who will hit on you in cmails.