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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 11:44:24 AM   
BamaD


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These people are not practicing a liberty, but living in fear.

And people who wear seat belts are living in fear of an accident?
People with a fire extenquisher live in fear of fire?
And people with locks on their doors live in fear of break-ins?


Do you see the flaw in your "logic"

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 11:48:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

These people are not practicing a liberty, but living in fear.

And people who wear seat belts are living in fear of an accident?
People with a fire extenquisher live in fear of fire?
And people with locks on their doors live in fear of break-ins?


Do you see the flaw in your "logic"


Doesn't matter. Those do not fit the narrative of women being silly little air-heads living in fear for no reason. Obviously we all just need a man to reassure us and explain how silly we are.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 11:55:44 AM   
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Its nice to know that you cant handle losing an argument like a gentleman.....

Earth, joether. Keep reminding yourself. It will help with the hallucinations.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 11:56:50 AM   
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We are going to go harvest clams on Saturday. Since I am a chick, I will be using a gun.



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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 3:50:27 PM   
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1) I never called Americans barbaric.

sorry dude YESSSS yes you did

if civilized is a synonym of enlightened and barbaric/savage is an antonym of civilized then yeahhh you did!

or do I need to LOOK THIS UP TO? ohh wait I already did and posted the links for ya!



For my money, I think you've got PoliteSub on the ropes here, BY. The way you've argued, I think it almost impossible to believe that someone doesn't find you barbaric and savage, no matter how much he might try to deny it.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 4:04:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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So, the number of legal guns on the street isnt about gun ownership.

That's right. Have a cookie.

K.


They aren't legal without ccw laws which have expanded to 37 states.
Isn't that clear?


Someone needs to check US laws. What is clear is that they are not retrospective. Add to that the fact CCW and Ownership are not the same thing.

Isnt any of that clear ?

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 4:06:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

1) I never called Americans barbaric.

sorry dude YESSSS yes you did

if civilized is a synonym of enlightened and barbaric/savage is an antonym of civilized then yeahhh you did!

or do I need to LOOK THIS UP TO? ohh wait I already did and posted the links for ya!


FFS stupidity abounds. You should have spent less on guns and more on your education.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 4:15:53 PM   
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Please inform us all of the difference between barbaric and unenlightened?

London is your largest city, right? What is the death rate? What would the death rate be if you all had ten to fifteen cities of that size with that death rate? Oh. . . yeah. . . population DOES make a difference.

You still claim that saving one attacker is better than women and children having protection. You really have no use for women and children do you?

It is certainly looking like child sexual exploitation is the norm. How many cases until it is not "okay" and "acceptable" and you get concerned about it?

I copy/pasted the title. I did not leave anything out. Actually, I think that the title counts as the very first part.

So. . . what have I lied about?



You lied by posting an article without reading it. And to answer your first question that makes you unenlightened BUT NOT barbaric.

I have said fuck all about saving attackers over women and children, so again you are a fucking liar, among other things.

You wish to talk about sex abuse as the norm, when it clearly isnt. You are one sick fuck of woman suggesting it is.

Death rates are compared pro rata, do you even know what this means ? Do I need to explain it to you outright, as I would with a six year old ?
They are worked out per 100,000 people in the population. ERGO, population size doesnt fucking matter, since per 100,000 means exactly that.


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 4:59:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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Please inform us all of the difference between barbaric and unenlightened?

London is your largest city, right? What is the death rate? What would the death rate be if you all had ten to fifteen cities of that size with that death rate? Oh. . . yeah. . . population DOES make a difference.

You still claim that saving one attacker is better than women and children having protection. You really have no use for women and children do you?

It is certainly looking like child sexual exploitation is the norm. How many cases until it is not "okay" and "acceptable" and you get concerned about it?

I copy/pasted the title. I did not leave anything out. Actually, I think that the title counts as the very first part.

So. . . what have I lied about?



You lied by posting an article without reading it. And to answer your first question that makes you unenlightened BUT NOT barbaric.

I have said fuck all about saving attackers over women and children, so again you are a fucking liar, among other things.

You wish to talk about sex abuse as the norm, when it clearly isnt. You are one sick fuck of woman suggesting it is.

Death rates are compared pro rata, do you even know what this means ? Do I need to explain it to you outright, as I would with a six year old ?
They are worked out per 100,000 people in the population. ERGO, population size doesnt fucking matter, since per 100,000 means exactly that.




The national murder rate for the US is 4.7 per 100,000.

Chicago's: 18.5
Detroit: 54.6
Flint: 62
New Orleans: 53.2

So . . . yes, population density DOES matter.

I did read the article. It is in no way a lie to copy/paste the TITLE of the article. It is your own politicians (or whatever they are) that are calling it a norm. It is also your caseworkers, LEOs, and politicians who have been turning a blind eye to it.

You have said that any amount of gun control is hunkey-dory if it saves just one life. Who looses out in this scenario? The persons being attacked. Because the cannot reliably defend themselves. (Just carry a knife? Really? Did you NOT take a biology class?)


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/barbarian
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1
: of or relating to a land, culture, or people alien and usually believed to be inferior to another land, culture, or people
2
: lacking refinement, learning, or artistic or literary culture


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 5:10:30 PM   
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But I wasnt talking about Cities, was I ? The conversation was about murder rates per country.

Enlightened still doesnt mean the opposite of barbaric, you know that and I know that.

A scenario, thats just what you are putting up as some sort of reply. Let me ask you this, since there are no legal guns on the streets of the UK, why are there more rapes in America. ?

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 5:16:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
These people are not practicing a liberty, but living in fear.
And people who wear seat belts are living in fear of an accident?


No, they are living in fear of being pulled over and fined for not wearing a seat belt.


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 5:18:56 PM   
DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin
1) I never called Americans barbaric.
sorry dude YESSSS yes you did
if civilized is a synonym of enlightened and barbaric/savage is an antonym of civilized then yeahhh you did!
or do I need to LOOK THIS UP TO? ohh wait I already did and posted the links for ya!

For my money, I think you've got PoliteSub on the ropes here, BY. The way you've argued, I think it almost impossible to believe that someone doesn't find you barbaric and savage, no matter how much he might try to deny it.


LMAO!!




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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 6:07:20 PM   
Aylee


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But I wasnt talking about Cities, was I ? The conversation was about murder rates per country.

Enlightened still doesnt mean the opposite of barbaric, you know that and I know that.

A scenario, thats just what you are putting up as some sort of reply. Let me ask you this, since there are no legal guns on the streets of the UK, why are there more rapes in America. ?


Yes, and I stated that if you had more cities the size of London, your murder rate would go up. You called me an idiot or something like that.

There are more rapes in America because when 1400 girls are raped in the UK you do not prosecute anyone or report it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Rape_statistics_by_country

Hmm. . . the chart says that you have 28.8 (England/Wales) versus 27.3 (USA) as of the year 2010, so are you completely sure about that?

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 6:15:43 PM   
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London is your largest city, right? What is the death rate? What would the death rate be if you all had ten to fifteen cities of that size with that death rate? Oh. . . yeah. . . population DOES make a difference.




London has the same population as new york city give or take a few thousand
in 2012
murder victims in new york numbered 414 a murder rate of 5.7 per 100,000 or 57 per million
murder victims in london numbered 89 a murder rate of 1.1 per 100,000 or 0.11 per million
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It is certainly looking like child sexual exploitation is the norm. How many cases until it is not "okay" and "acceptable" and you get concerned about it?


BTW...your ignorance about it being the norm in the UK is pathetic and your accusations against PS is even worse

Sex Trafficking Isn't An 'Over There' Issue, 100,000 U.S. Kids Are Sold Into It Every Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr0rv1zVZJ4
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/02/sex-trafficking-kids-us_n_6083890.html
"In most of my 14 different placements in foster care homes, I was raped and attached to a check," a survivor told Malika Saada Saar, director of Human Rights Project for Girls, according to The Washington Post. "I understood very early that I could be raped, cared for and connected to money. It was therefore easy to go from that to a pimp, and at least the pimp told me that he loved me."

So many victims fall through the cracks because children are often exploited after they’ve gone through puberty, but are integrated into the overall sex industry and are no longer seen as "innocent victims," Smolenski said.
http://www.ecpatusa.org/home


but keep your head buried in your self righteous bullshit


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 6:50:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
These people are not practicing a liberty, but living in fear.
And people who wear seat belts are living in fear of an accident?


No, they are living in fear of being pulled over and fined for not wearing a seat belt.


I wore mine before it was required. By Joether's logic they should not wear them since they do it out of fear.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 8:30:13 PM   
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When you get in an accident it is too late to fasten your seatbelt.
When a fire starts it is too late to buy a fire extinguisher.
When someone breaks into your house it is too late to lock the doors.
If you are home it is too late to buy a gun.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 9:33:09 PM   
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London is your largest city, right? What is the death rate? What would the death rate be if you all had ten to fifteen cities of that size with that death rate? Oh. . . yeah. . . population DOES make a difference.




London has the same population as new york city give or take a few thousand
in 2012
murder victims in new york numbered 414 a murder rate of 5.7 per 100,000 or 57 per million
murder victims in london numbered 89 a murder rate of 1.1 per 100,000 or 0.11 per million
quote:

It is certainly looking like child sexual exploitation is the norm. How many cases until it is not "okay" and "acceptable" and you get concerned about it?


BTW...your ignorance about it being the norm in the UK is pathetic and your accusations against PS is even worse

Sex Trafficking Isn't An 'Over There' Issue, 100,000 U.S. Kids Are Sold Into It Every Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr0rv1zVZJ4
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/02/sex-trafficking-kids-us_n_6083890.html
"In most of my 14 different placements in foster care homes, I was raped and attached to a check," a survivor told Malika Saada Saar, director of Human Rights Project for Girls, according to The Washington Post. "I understood very early that I could be raped, cared for and connected to money. It was therefore easy to go from that to a pimp, and at least the pimp told me that he loved me."

So many victims fall through the cracks because children are often exploited after they’ve gone through puberty, but are integrated into the overall sex industry and are no longer seen as "innocent victims," Smolenski said.
http://www.ecpatusa.org/home


but keep your head buried in your self righteous bullshit


obviously i mean 11 per million. Not 0.11.
Derp to me for not proofing my post


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 10:09:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
These people are not practicing a liberty, but living in fear.

And people who wear seat belts are living in fear of an accident?
People with a fire extenquisher live in fear of fire?
And people with locks on their doors live in fear of break-ins?


Do you see the flaw in your "logic"


I have to wear a seat belt not because the scientific evidence is overwhelming in surviving a car accident (i.e. physics), but its the law in Massachusetts. Going without a seat belt is not 'practicing liberty', as liberty depends on....get this...laws.

I have a fire extinguisher not because I'm afraid of a fire. I just don't want my favorite chair getting burned down.

People can lock doors, because they can lock doors. Your assuming it has to do with preventing break ins.

In each of the 'examples' of yours, none of them are covered in the US Constitution as 'practicing liberty'.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 10:14:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
These people are not practicing a liberty, but living in fear.
And people who wear seat belts are living in fear of an accident?

No, they are living in fear of being pulled over and fined for not wearing a seat belt.

I wore mine before it was required. By Joether's logic they should not wear them since they do it out of fear.


'By my logic' eh? Here is logic...If guns don't kill people, but people kill people.....why do we allow people to have guns?

While your thinking on that answer....

Nothing in the law books states one is forced to wear a seat belt. There are fines for being caught without one. People wear seat belts because its been proven that they help more likely than not in an accident. And what is an accident? An event that happens without doing something on purpose.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 11/3/2014 10:16:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
When you get in an accident it is too late to fasten your seatbelt.
When a fire starts it is too late to buy a fire extinguisher.
When someone breaks into your house it is too late to lock the doors.
If you are home it is too late to buy a gun.


We can play all sorts of 'what ifs' BamaD, and you'll eventually lose the argument.

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