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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 7:57:46 AM   
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Have a look at the article, and then reply, if you have anything intelligent to add.

You have trouble identifying conservative media propaganda, don't you? Why am I not surprised....

Funniest fucking thing I have read all week


Yes, people are laughing. Just not with you....

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 2:28:30 PM   
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Maybe a Republican Congress will force some transparency finally.

I certainly hope so. That seems wildly unlikely given their long and well documented record of lying about everything and everything. More likely, in my mind, is what Musicmystery said. The voters will give the Republicans a run at it because the Democrats gave us Obama. The country will continue to get crappier in every way. The voters will get frustrated and then it'll be the Democrat's turn again. Rinse/repeat.

I see this cycle as sort of inevitable since I don't actually think there are two parties. It hardly matters who is in office except for those who believe the kabuki theater. As long as both parties are pro Oligarchy things are not going to improve for anyone but the Oligarchs (who are doing quite well nowadays).

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 3:17:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Time for an injection of reality.

Republicans got what exactly what anyone with a brain expected. Every 6th year of a 2 term president since Eisenhower has seen the President's party lose at least 6 seat's in the Senate and substantially in state houses.

However if you dive into the demographics of Tuesdays numbers the GOP should be running around in a panic not celebrating. Compared to 2010 (the last midterm election) their performance with women declined by 4 points. While men continue to favor the GOP by the same margin as 2010.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/democrats-gained-womens-support_n_6116540.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016

This indicates that the gender gap continues to grow in a manner disfavorable to the GOP. Looking ahead to 2016 when turnout will be 30 odd points higher, a female candidate for President will likely head the Democratic ballot and the Senatorial slate will have the Republicans defending 7 (IIRC) seats in blue states and Democrats defending no red state seats could spell not just disaster for the Republicans but their end as anything but a regional party. 

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 3:44:56 PM   
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/were_women_a_factor_in_the_democratic_shellacking_of_2014.html

Oh yeah, I am really panicking here



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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 4:07:40 PM   
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/were_women_a_factor_in_the_democratic_shellacking_of_2014.html

Oh yeah, I am really panicking here



You're comparing presidential election years to an off year election. It couldn't get more apples to oranges dumbass. I presented a direct comparison between the last two off year elections.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 4:54:07 PM   
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/were_women_a_factor_in_the_democratic_shellacking_of_2014.html

Oh yeah, I am really panicking here



You're comparing presidential election years to an off year election. It couldn't get more apples to oranges dumbass. I presented a direct comparison between the last two off year elections.

This means that, by your thinking. that Republican women vote in off years but Democratic women don't see the point.
What a condemnation of your side.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 5:22:10 PM   
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/were_women_a_factor_in_the_democratic_shellacking_of_2014.html

Oh yeah, I am really panicking here



You're comparing presidential election years to an off year election. It couldn't get more apples to oranges dumbass. I presented a direct comparison between the last two off year elections.

This means that, by your thinking. that Republican women vote in off years but Democratic women don't see the point.
What a condemnation of your side.

Huh? Are you having trouble reading? The Democratic advantage between 2010 and 2014 increased by 4 points. It didn't decline. We improved our turnout. Stop reading the nonsense posted by right wingers and actually pay attention to reality.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 6:16:15 PM   
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Maybe a Republican Congress will force some transparency finally.

I certainly hope so. That seems wildly unlikely given their long and well documented record of lying about everything and everything. More likely, in my mind, is what Musicmystery said. The voters will give the Republicans a run at it because the Democrats gave us Obama. The country will continue to get crappier in every way. The voters will get frustrated and then it'll be the Democrat's turn again. Rinse/repeat.

I see this cycle as sort of inevitable since I don't actually think there are two parties. It hardly matters who is in office except for those who believe the kabuki theater. As long as both parties are pro Oligarchy things are not going to improve for anyone but the Oligarchs (who are doing quite well nowadays).


MANY Americans refuse to accept that we don't really have much of a choice.
We have very, very, little choice.
Both parties are so similar, that expecting DRASTIC changes when either party is elected, is the definition of insanity.

There will be no MAJOR changes in the status quo of the U.S. until the people finally get fed up with BOTH parties, and attempt to change the governing "system".

**Please continue on with the partisian diatribe as usual.**
While this country slips into the fucking abyss.


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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 6:45:28 PM   
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Maybe a Republican Congress will force some transparency finally.

I certainly hope so. That seems wildly unlikely given their long and well documented record of lying about everything and everything. More likely, in my mind, is what Musicmystery said. The voters will give the Republicans a run at it because the Democrats gave us Obama. The country will continue to get crappier in every way. The voters will get frustrated and then it'll be the Democrat's turn again. Rinse/repeat.

I see this cycle as sort of inevitable since I don't actually think there are two parties. It hardly matters who is in office except for those who believe the kabuki theater. As long as both parties are pro Oligarchy things are not going to improve for anyone but the Oligarchs (who are doing quite well nowadays).


MANY Americans refuse to accept that we don't really have much of a choice.
We have very, very, little choice.
Both parties are so similar, that expecting DRASTIC changes when either party is elected, is the definition of insanity.

There will be no MAJOR changes in the status quo of the U.S. until the people finally get fed up with BOTH parties, and attempt to change the governing "system".

**Please continue on with the partisian diatribe as usual.**
While this country slips into the fucking abyss.



Hang on

The TEAs are working to change the Republican party (and thereby change things up considerably). Whether you agree with them or not, they have proven that people can work at making a difference and enjoy measurable success

And theres nothing wrong with partisanship, which is simply standing up for ones beliefs

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 7:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity, what I and a few others are saying, is BOTH parties have a lot in common.

They are both in bed with special interest groups, corporations, and big business.

Sure there are some differences between Dems and Reps, but many of us are dissatisfied with BOTH parties.
We vote one side, because we fear the other side is worse, but often not happy with either side.
We have no real viable alternatives, that could actually WIN an election at this time.

Have you not been reading this?

Many people are fed up with both parties, and the tea party is not what most of us are looking for.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 7:57:30 PM   
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Nothing really seeps into his head, and he invents the world around (like the Democrats "aborting" black babies.) He's aversive to information. In sum, if you don't root for the Republicans, you're a leftist-marxist-socialist.

He loves special interests, the Christian right, Koch Brothers, Big Business, the NRA, Big Oil, etc.

He hates unions, thoughts of raising the minimum wage, or anything that might help poorer people live a better life. Obama only got elected because of black bigotry, and he's been a total failure in office. He mishandled: the IRS, Veterans Health Care, Ebola, IRAQ, ISIS, Libya, the Ukraine, the economy, and the Obama Care rollout. If your 401(k) reflects booming corporate profits under the Obama administration -- that's actually attributable to the Republican House.

A humanitarian for him and his ilk is Antonin Scalia.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 8:40:18 PM   
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Are you trying to say I'm a right wing asshole...

Youre going to hurt my feelings!!!

You got a few things wrong, and you also missed a few things btw

I work out, I am attractive, and am very young for my years

Its not uncommon for beautiful young women to tell me things like, I look like a movie star

I enjoy my life tremendously, and have a blast each and every day

And I also live rent free in your slimy little troll head

(Can we get some air freshener in here)

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 8:48:14 PM   
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Yes, you are not the angry, drinking type. Somehow I can picture you mowing a lawn.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/8/2014 8:51:06 PM   
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Yes, you are not the angry, drinking type. Somehow I can picture you mowing a lawn.


I have a big lawn too, takes a tractor in front and a small herd of cattle out back

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/9/2014 12:49:55 AM   
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Yes, you are not the angry, drinking type. Somehow I can picture you mowing a lawn.


Wow. "Capable of and willing to do manual labor" is now an insult? WTH?

That is really screwed up cloudboy. That is pretty much right on par with mnot's homo-hatred and misogyny.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/9/2014 9:49:36 AM   
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Many people are fed up with both parties, and the tea party is not what most of us are looking for.

Actually, what really frustrates me is that the tea party is EXACTLY what I'm looking for... and what an awful lot of liberal progressives are looking for... at least pieces of their stated platform. At least in rhetoric form the tea party wants freedom, small government, a return to law based on the constitution, etc. In theory that'd get rid of an autocratic executive, the NSA almost entirely, and it'd get rid of citizens united and a raft of surrounding baggage. If the tea party actually wanted what they say they wanted, I'd be voting tea party even though I disagree strongly with their social policies. Heck, I'd vote for ANY pro-democracy party at this point since my concerns are no longer "democratic" concerns but rather concerns about democracy itself.

But even in those places where the tea party and occupy completely and totally agree we have had and will continue to have utter gridlock. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.

And no Sanity, partisanship is not simply "upholding ones views". It's good for someone to stand behind their views. Partisanship is what stops motion even in those places where there is broad scale agreement. Partisanship is when "Go Team!" becomes more urgent than the actual issues. And no, that's not a good thing and should not be lauded.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/9/2014 10:05:38 AM   
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Free government cheese, only three times the cost of regular cheese

Conservative talking point which is denied by... well... all of reality. Here across the border in Canada we all like our "Free cheese" because it is vastly cheaper and vastly better than what exists south of the border. When I say "cheaper" I mean in terms of total cost not cheaper "to me" although that's absolutely true also. I wonder how many Americans would like to be paying $135/mo for their entire family for medical insurance with no limits, no restrictions, no nada (to be fair, no dental or optical, I'm talking hospital stuff here). My understanding is that that $135/mo is not subsidized through additional general fund taxation -- that is the cost en toto. I think that if we were to declare need (which we qualify for based on our income) and our rates were subsequently reduced then it would be partially subsidized.

Think about that, my COBRA plan in the states was $1200/mo (and yes, that includes vision and dental). The similar plan here is $135 plus about $235 for supplemental insurance on the medical and dental. That's a grand total of $370/mo paying at the maximum rate -- a whopping SEVENTY PERCENT savings not to mention how incredibly hassle free it is. And again, this is not some sort of govt freebie. We pay full bore on everything we receive. This is the collective bargaining power of single payer working to keep the utterly insane medical markups under control. You see that when I go to buy drugs. I can buy some drug at the pharmacy right in the hospital and pay the same as I would on any corner drug store (rather than the tens of thousands of percent markups you'd pay in the US). What I would pay in either location is less than you'd pay even if I was uninsured and you were completely covered for a lot of drugs.

It ought to be obvious to any capitalist why it is cheaper. We don't have 30 layers of middlemen all profit-taking. We also don't have the endless paperwork. There's no insurance fraud to protect against because there's no insurance so there's a lot less legal overhead. It is simply a better system every way you look at it. It also ought to be obvious to any capitalist that health-care is a captive market. In other words, the buyer really has no bargaining position at all because they need health care or they die. The big "mystery" of why single payer is so cheap is that the Canadian govt has enough bargaining power to actually argue with the drug companies so there is something approximating supply and demand in play.

While you (and I) share a lot of concern over government (big or little but especially big govt far away from us) data still needs to be king. Reality ought to be shaping our thoughts not propaganda. Explain to me in concrete terms why a system which works so well in pretty much every other country including one the US shares 3k miles of border with cannot work in the US? I already know the right-wing talking point -- "that's different". Go ahead and explain to me why it is different.


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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/9/2014 10:56:19 AM   
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Yes, you are not the angry, drinking type. Somehow I can picture you mowing a lawn.


Not sure what gave me the biggest snort. Your post above where you go on and on about how partisan S is, while basically describing yourself and most of your own posts or this one where you seem to think mowing ones own lawn is some sort of insult.

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RE: Republican Wave! - 11/9/2014 11:05:41 AM   
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Free government cheese, only three times the cost of regular cheese

Conservative talking point which is denied by... well... all of reality. Here across the border in Canada we all like our "Free cheese" because it is vastly cheaper and vastly better than what exists south of the border. When I say "cheaper" I mean in terms of total cost not cheaper "to me" although that's absolutely true also. I wonder how many Americans would like to be paying $135/mo for their entire family for medical insurance with no limits, no restrictions, no nada (to be fair, no dental or optical, I'm talking hospital stuff here). My understanding is that that $135/mo is not subsidized through additional general fund taxation -- that is the cost en toto. I think that if we were to declare need (which we qualify for based on our income) and our rates were subsequently reduced then it would be partially subsidized.

Think about that, my COBRA plan in the states was $1200/mo (and yes, that includes vision and dental). The similar plan here is $135 plus about $235 for supplemental insurance on the medical and dental. That's a grand total of $370/mo paying at the maximum rate -- a whopping SEVENTY PERCENT savings not to mention how incredibly hassle free it is. And again, this is not some sort of govt freebie. We pay full bore on everything we receive. This is the collective bargaining power of single payer working to keep the utterly insane medical markups under control. You see that when I go to buy drugs. I can buy some drug at the pharmacy right in the hospital and pay the same as I would on any corner drug store (rather than the tens of thousands of percent markups you'd pay in the US). What I would pay in either location is less than you'd pay even if I was uninsured and you were completely covered for a lot of drugs.

It ought to be obvious to any capitalist why it is cheaper. We don't have 30 layers of middlemen all profit-taking. We also don't have the endless paperwork. There's no insurance fraud to protect against because there's no insurance so there's a lot less legal overhead. It is simply a better system every way you look at it. It also ought to be obvious to any capitalist that health-care is a captive market. In other words, the buyer really has no bargaining position at all because they need health care or they die. The big "mystery" of why single payer is so cheap is that the Canadian govt has enough bargaining power to actually argue with the drug companies so there is something approximating supply and demand in play.

While you (and I) share a lot of concern over government (big or little but especially big govt far away from us) data still needs to be king. Reality ought to be shaping our thoughts not propaganda. Explain to me in concrete terms why a system which works so well in pretty much every other country including one the US shares 3k miles of border with cannot work in the US? I already know the right-wing talking point -- "that's different". Go ahead and explain to me why it is different.




Any time I have heard someone reference "government cheese" they meant cheese, like that orange crap that comes in a block and melts just right for mac and cheese. Maybe he will come along and clear that up.

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