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Actually you made the claim if you check. I simply pointed out it was wrong you fucking moron. It is up to you to prove your claim by your own statement. I'll even bold it for you.

I said while I agree that it will improve their lives I fail to see how making the employers pay fair wages is going to increase jobs or the economy. Thats a question, not a statement of fact. And while cloudboy hasn't even tried to answer the question you keep jumping in with your childish little insults. So either answer the question or shut the fuck up and stay out of it.

An increase in wages should provide for more disposable income, and when we dispose of income, it goes into the economy. That is one of many ways it helps, since we are like 60% based on consumption, we need to consume, we need to have money to do that.

That makes sense. I hadn't looked at it that way. Thanks for the explanation.

And, when you have more money chasing the same amount of goods, what will happen then?

Well if I understood Ron they would have to create more goods to keep up with the demand. And while I am familiar with the concept I hadn't figure in the increase in income of those who can now work legally. It will also help the ones who are still illegal as I don't think this will stop some from wanting cheaper labor and they can take the place of the ones who get better jobs.

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Sure, as long as the demand for a good is projected to continue at that higher level, it's production will be increased. That's also provided they spend it here and not send it home. But, in the short run (it's not like a faucet where you can simply turn it up and immediately get more goods in front of the consumer), there will be shortages of goods, no? Or, increases in prices for everyone? It behooves producers to just barely meet demand while making it look like there is going to be a shortage. That allows for increased prices.

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President Obama is scheduled to outline a plan to relax the United States immigration plan on Thursday, tomorrow.
The plan is to grant relief to an estimated "5 million" undocumented immigrants.

Any thoughts on how this is going to improve our economy and make this country greater?

According to this interesting article from NPR, the effects are positive and negative.
It appears that this will negatively effect US born hispanic and black workers, because a much larger share of minorities are in direct competition with immigrants.

NPR=Q & A Illegal Immigrants and the US economy

Life may soon become a lot harder for those scrambling for lower wage positions.

I agree that life will become harder, although it won't necessarily be because of more immigrants, legal or otherwise.

My whole issue with the way immigration is approached by both parties is that no one seems interested in exploring the source of the problem at hand. They present the issue and our national choices as if these immigrants just popped in out of nowhere. It's treated purely as some kind of domestic issue and not an international issue. We've already tied ourselves and linked the well-being of our own economy to the economies of other nations, so it's not just a matter of the US economy either. When considering the ramifications of a global economy, it can mean billions of people scrambling for lower wage positions. Something's gonna give sooner or later.

Ultimately, I think our best bet at this point is to cultivate and develop much stronger ties and relations with our neighbors to the south. Any investments we make in their economies and infrastructure to help improve their quality of life will likely help to curb the problem by reducing the incentives for people to come here illegally.

We also should restore our Good Neighbor policy and generate goodwill among the nations in our hemisphere, and this might mean making some allowances for their citizens who happen to be within our borders. The abuses and exploitation would also have to come to an end, although this would displease those who have profited from illegal immigration all these decades. This is another major source of the problem at hand, yet the powers that be would rather play up the issue in such a way as to pit different factions of low-wage workers against each other, not just from within the United States, but from other countries too.

I think that if all the nations of the Western Hemisphere could forge a strong, unified alliance and economic bloc, we wouldn't really have to worry about China or Russia or any of the Middle Eastern factions which might be regarded as threats by some. Even if there might be difficulties in the short run, I think it may be our best choice in the long run, considering the overall global situation we're facing and will continue to face in the foreseeable future.

Of course, the current policymakers seem to benefit more from the status quo. They're making money off the situation, so they obviously have no intention of kicking the undocumented immigrants out of the country. (Few people would support any kind of mass deportation anyway, and it would likely lead to riots or worse, not to mention the international ramifications.) They also won't go after the employers who hire them, not much other than a few token raids for public consumption. So, both parties seem pretty much in with the idea of letting them stay, but now they're just arguing over the legalities over what their status should actually be. If they're made legal, then they would have the same rights as US workers, which would mean their employers would have to pay minimum wage and follow the same labor laws, OSHA regulations, etc.

The way I see it, the undocumented immigrants were here yesterday, they're here today, and they're going to be here tomorrow. Whatever wrangling and paper shuffling they do in Washington DC isn't going to change the situation as it stands.