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The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson

Officer Wilson WILL be charged with a crime

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Officer Wilson will NOT be charged with a crime

38% (14)

I could not care less

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Who is officer Wilson

16% (6)

Regardless of the decision Wilson is guilty

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Regardless of the decision Wilson is innocent

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 9:02:44 AM

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Not to me... but maybe it would have been better to wait for backup... or have a taser ready... or have the billy out... or have the gun out with a drop on him before getting within reach... lots of things he could have done rather than shoot to kill

Butch

Again you don't call for backup to ask someone to get out of the middle of the street, once it turned violent it to late. As for a club Brown had demonstrated that he could stomp Wilson into the ground, and he did come out with the drop on him, that is when Brown charged.

From 170 feet away. Wilson had plenty of time to get out of the way and to use his baton.

I notice that you keep moving Brown further away.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 9:04:54 AM

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Not if the suspect is not killed... and with a show of overwhelming force there may be no resistance. If a suspect sees there is no hope of escape there is much less chance he or she will resist the arrest.

Butch

Wilson's mistake was the opposite of the one in New York. He apparently thought he could talk his way through anything.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 10:22:40 AM

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Not to me... but maybe it would have been better to wait for backup... or have a taser ready... or have the billy out... or have the gun out with a drop on him before getting within reach... lots of things he could have done rather than shoot to kill

Butch

Again you don't call for backup to ask someone to get out of the middle of the street, once it turned violent it to late. As for a club Brown had demonstrated that he could stomp Wilson into the ground, and he did come out with the drop on him, that is when Brown charged.

From 170 feet away. Wilson had plenty of time to get out of the way and to use his baton.

I notice that you keep moving Brown further away.

No. I am actually reporting reality. You simply don't like it. Get over it.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 3:27:55 PM

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From 170 feet away. Wilson had plenty of time to get out of the way and to use his baton.

I notice that you keep moving Brown further away.

No. I am actually reporting reality. You simply don't like it. Get over it.

You need to try harder to remember that your fevered imaginings aren't real.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 3:57:31 PM

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I just read a good part of the Grand Jury report... Brown and Wilson were never more than 30 feet apart. The blood trail extends past where Brown fell with the final shot proving he was moving back towards Wilson when shot at 15 feet then then again as he was lunging in a lean forward tackle position very close to Wilson and received the killing shot to the head.. During all of this Wilson was commanding Brown to stop.

You should download and read it... even you will understand why Brown shot and exactly what happened in the car backed by evidence.

Butch

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 3:59:27 PM

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I just read a good part of the Grand Jury report... Brown and Wilson were never more than 30 feet apart. The blood trail extends past where Brown fell showing he was moving back towards Wilson when shot at 15 feet then then again as he was lunging in a lean forward tackle position very close to Wilson and received the killing shot to the head.. During all of this Wilson was commanding Brown to stop.

You should download and read it... even you will understand why Brown shot and exactly what happened in the car backed by evidence.

Butch

What grand jury report did you read? The one I read showed that Brown was 153 feet away from the SUV when he died and that Wilson's shell casings were found within 30 feet of the SUV.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 4:08:49 PM

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I read the actual release... you should as well... remember Wilson exited his vehicle immediately and ran after Brown... they were never more than 30 feet apart.

Brown stopped ... so did Wilson approx. thirty feet apart.. the blood trail confirms this... then Brown came back towards Wilson again the blood trail confirms this... then when 15 feet away 5 shoots were fired... then more when even closer with the last being the killing round.

The report lists the location of all the casings... all matching Wilson's story. You just have to face facts... Wilson told the truth and credible witnesses and physical evidence supports him... That still does not make it right in my view but it was the truth.

Butch

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 4:18:07 PM

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I just read a good part of the Grand Jury report... Brown and Wilson were never more than 30 feet apart. The blood trail extends past where Brown fell showing he was moving back towards Wilson when shot at 15 feet then then again as he was lunging in a lean forward tackle position very close to Wilson and received the killing shot to the head.. During all of this Wilson was commanding Brown to stop.

You should download and read it... even you will understand why Brown shot and exactly what happened in the car backed by evidence.

Butch

What grand jury report did you read? The one I read showed that Brown was 153 feet away from the SUV when he died and that Wilson's shell casings were found within 30 feet of the SUV.

So your report says that Brown was 130 ft, 153 ft, and 170 ft away, no wonder nobody takes you seriously.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 4:18:38 PM

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The testimony and evidence is revealing and understandable... for instance Wilson describes his first reaction when attacked by Brown was not to get is gun but his mace but he was setting on it and could not get to it... he then tried to get his club but it was wedged against the console. His description of what happened in detail makes perfect sense... download it and read it.

The discussion should stop being what happened... it is there for all to see if they want to take the time to read it... but move to how to make sure it does not happen again...in the short term. Then work on the social issues that caused African Americans in the area to react the way they did.

Butch

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 8:02:59 PM

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I read the actual release... you should as well... remember Wilson exited his vehicle immediately and ran after Brown... they were never more than 30 feet apart.

Brown stopped ... so did Wilson approx. thirty feet apart.. the blood trail confirms this... then Brown came back towards Wilson again the blood trail confirms this... then when 15 feet away 5 shoots were fired... then more when even closer with the last being the killing round.

The report lists the location of all the casings... all matching Wilson's story. You just have to face facts... Wilson told the truth and credible witnesses and physical evidence supports him... That still does not make it right in my view but it was the truth.

Butch

I have no idea what you are talking about. The forensics are quite clear. Wilson was over 100 feet away from Brown when he killed him. No one can say for sure how far because the ME didn't bother measuring and we are left with only the spotting of the shell casings by the investigators. What we do know is that based on the location of a blood drop Brown ran 178 feet away from the SUV and that his body was 153 feet away from it when he died while Wilson's shell casings are no more than 30 feet away from the SUV.

So what report are you reading? link it. since it certainly doesn't match the one released by the DA.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 8:23:09 PM

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All I can say is one more time... read the transcripts of the grand jury... pay attention to nothing else you may have heard or seen elsewhere.

Butch

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 9:22:47 PM

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All I can say is one more time... read the transcripts of the grand jury... pay attention to nothing else you may have heard or seen elsewhere.

Butch

Here is the full transcript
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?CMP=share_btn_tw
Which document are you getting this nonsense from?
The only place the 30 foot distance appears in is Wilsons testimony. The physical evidence is quite clear.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 9:31:22 PM

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Go through them as I did and you will find what we are talking about... It is not the distance from the car that is important but the distance between Wilson and Brown.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/9/2014 10:28:37 PM

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Go through them as I did and you will find what we are talking about... It is not the distance from the car that is important but the distance between Wilson and Brown.

maybe you could BOTH post direct links to the distances you are talking about, I'd like to see it, but not spending all night searching threw it all to find one part of it..
hell just tell me the PAGE NUMBER I can find this info on!

from the diagram I looked at, it appears the body at time of death was less than 30 feet away, but I'd LOVE to see these numbers the both of you are talking about

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/10/2014 2:47:04 AM

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Go through them as I did and you will find what we are talking about... It is not the distance from the car that is important but the distance between Wilson and Brown.

Where did you see that distance besides Wilson's testimony? Wilson claim's that is the distance he shot Brown but the physical evidence is different. That has been my point this whole time.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/10/2014 7:54:25 AM

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Go through them as I did and you will find what we are talking about... It is not the distance from the car that is important but the distance between Wilson and Brown.

Where did you see that distance besides Wilson's testimony? Wilson claim's that is the distance he shot Brown but the physical evidence is different. That has been my point this whole time.

since he as me on HIDE, and won't see this, could someone ask him WHICH page in the link he put up shows or indicates these distances...

there are 76 pages of crap there and I am not going to read EACH ONE to find a few lines that indicate these distances, same to you KD, please give us a direct link to these distances YOU refer to

I saw a diagram which using the key/legend indicated brown's body was between 10 - 30 feet from Wilson at the point of death, but it isn't clear what evidence they used to determine this in it.

although, if it wasn't consistent with the evidence SURELY someone would have called BULLSHIT on the site/article in which it was posted

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/10/2014 8:15:19 AM

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When I get home I will try to post a link. The file is 250 mb in size and would not let me copy sections. So you will have to download it and read it

Butch

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/10/2014 9:56:59 AM

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Rather than downloading the 250 mb file HERE is a CBS one that has links to various documents of testimony of interest.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/10/2014 12:14:20 PM

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Rather than downloading the 250 mb file HERE is a CBS one that has links to various documents of testimony of interest.

Butch

I already told you Wilson's testimony and the physical scene differ. That article is only of Wilson's testimony and a few related files.

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RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/10/2014 2:24:36 PM

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Those are steel frame with brick veneer.

What part of 17 years as a Re broker in 2 states looking inside hundreds if not thousands of homes did you not read?

Solid masonry homes are problematic when it comes to running utilities. I had one in Miami.

That is why most site built homes and all manufactured homes (about 20 to 25% of the new sales in the US) are wood based.

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