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I do believe there needs to be change when it comes to representing the racial make up of a city on the police forces...

Do you think a "quota system" that makes the racial make up of a police force similar to the racial make up of the populace is a good idea? I sure don't. I wouldn't have a problem if it was exactly the same, or if it was skewed towards minorities. As long as the officers on the police force are qualified for the job, I pretty much don't care.

I just hope officers don't shy away from doing their jobs properly because the suspect is of a different race. That could end up just as poorly.

There is a great deal of evidence that LEO's that do not live in the communities they police treat those communities as an area to be occupied rather than a community to be protected. Ferguson, as all of St. Louis County, does not require its LEO's to reside in the communities they police. That is why a lot of people think police force should reflect the racial makeup of the communities they police.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I do believe there needs to be change when it comes to representing the racial make up of a city on the police forces...

Do you think a "quota system" that makes the racial make up of a police force similar to the racial make up of the populace is a good idea? I sure don't. I wouldn't have a problem if it was exactly the same, or if it was skewed towards minorities. As long as the officers on the police force are qualified for the job, I pretty much don't care.

I just hope officers don't shy away from doing their jobs properly because the suspect is of a different race. That could end up just as poorly.

There is a great deal of evidence that LEO's that do not live in the communities they police treat those communities as an area to be occupied rather than a community to be protected. Ferguson, as all of St. Louis County, does not require its LEO's to reside in the communities they police. That is why a lot of people think police force should reflect the racial makeup of the communities they police.

Or, as with the department I worked for, they encourage them living outside the area they police so there can be no indication of personal involvement with the people they arrest, either pro or con.

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And it shows. in your attitude.

It was to avoid the practice, or appearance of favors for friends, and harassment of enemies.

BTW I was in supply, I wasn't an officer, as I have said several times.

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And it shows. in your attitude.

It was to avoid the practice, or appearance of favors for friends, and harassment of enemies.

BTW I was in supply, I wasn't an officer, as I have said several times.

Community policing works as has been established in cities across this country since it was first tried in Madison WI in the late 60's. LEO's not residing in the community they police does not work. You can see the difference right now in Ferguson and all over the country.

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ORIGINAL: starkem

I will say this....justice denied is justice deferred. People seeking justice will not tolerate undue justification. In the absence of this man being tried for the death of Brown, dissatisfaction became a prevailing sentiment. It does not change the outcome of a grand jury, but it does send a clear message of the dissatisfaction.

Timothy McVeeigh (sp?) was arrested without incident, John Gotti had similar results. It is not a matter of self defense that is in question here; it is a criminal matter of excessive force to subdue a suspected criminal that is in question herein. The so called grand jury and the people of such ill repute don't think the method, in due course, of apprehension was excessive. However, people that perceieve a pattern of policemen abusing the great deference given to their authority will not garner empathy from anyone except close family and friends and the idiots that think it is okay. I can excuse the family and friends because they have a viable vested interest.

The people otherwise situated, however, will not receive the same sentiment of respect. No matter what your position for absolving the officer of this percieved innocence, their are people who will oppose that viewpoint. Moreover, such opposition will oppose the very notion that black men are somehow not apprenhendible or worthy of the same regard when it comes to law enforcement.

What is very unsettling about this notion is that the implication of justifiable force, in this matter and others, is unwarranted and not tenable. Specifically to this matter, criminal defendants have been indicted for lesser offenses and therefore the indignation of some that alleged action of the officer is not readily percieved. To say that this indignation is somehow idiocity is a failure of addressing the underlying problem that motivates the policy of who is denned dangerous and life threatening to legal apprehension.

There was a recent case of a white suspect who allegedly had killed and/or injured several law enforcement personnel; yet he was eventually apprehended, without lethal consequences albeit he was considered armed and dangerous. This is not an arbitrary act of apprehension of such dangerous persons; nor, the act of pursuit of black men being expendable in such matters. George Zimmerman endured a trial for his defense of his actions. People desired the same justice in this matter. I don't see any action thereafter their dissatisfaction rising to the level of savagery implied in these adverse postings. I see ignorance or lack of empathy -for sake of abetter description- to the plight of people who deem this pattern of injustice as intolerable. Can you dig that???

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Whatever the outcome of this particular episode it is crystal clear that there has been a complete breakdown in relations between a large section of Ferguson's population and the local police. In the longer term the question must be 'How can relations between the police and the local community be repaired?'

It seems unlikely that Ferguson is unique in having this problem. I imagine that there are many communities across the US where police-community relations are fractured and fractious. Equally there must be many communities that have experienced problems along these lines in the past and resolved them successfully. I doubt that anyone would contest the proposition that police-community relations in Ferguson wouldn't benefit from change. To me, it seems probable that radical changes are needed for trust and co-operation to be restored.

Perhaps it might be more productive to focus on resolving the long term issue of developing and maintaining good police-community relations than dwelling on the detail of this particular issue or the community response to it.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Whatever the outcome of this particular episode it is crystal clear that there has been a complete breakdown in relations between a large section of Ferguson's population and the local police. In the longer term the question must be 'How can relations between the police and the local community be repaired?'

It seems unlikely that Ferguson is unique in having this problem. I imagine that there are many communities across the US where police-community relations are fractured and fractious. Equally there must be many communities that have experienced problems along these lines in the past and resolved them successfully. I doubt that anyone would contest the proposition that police-community relations in Ferguson wouldn't benefit from change. To me, it seems probable that radical changes are needed for trust and co-operation to be restored.

Perhaps it might be more productive to focus on resolving the long term issue of developing and maintaining good police-community relations than dwelling on the detail of this particular issue or the community response to it.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
The grand jury saw all of the facts, heard all of the witnesses and judged that the law man had acted properly in defending himself from the violent street thug who was proven the felonious aggressor in this case

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One of those evil cops has been shot, happy now?

You are insane.

An officer with the University City Police Department in St. Louis was shot as protests in nearby Ferguson intensified Monday night, several media outlets reported.

The officer was transported to a nearby hospital, with a bullet wound to the arm, according to the St. Louis County Police Department. He's expected to make a full recovery. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said in a press conference that the shooting "was totally unrelated to any events here in Ferguson."

The shooting occurred after 11 p.m. at Canton and Lamb avenues in the University City section of St. Louis, about five miles southwest from the crowds in Ferguson. Police were reportedly looking for a suspect early Tuesday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/officer-shot-ferguson_n_6216544.html

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Whatever the outcome of this particular episode it is crystal clear that there has been a complete breakdown in relations between a large section of Ferguson's population and the local police. In the longer term the question must be 'How can relations between the police and the local community be repaired?'

It seems unlikely that Ferguson is unique in having this problem. I imagine that there are many communities across the US where police-community relations are fractured and fractious. Equally there must be many communities that have experienced problems along these lines in the past and resolved them successfully. I doubt that anyone would contest the proposition that police-community relations in Ferguson wouldn't benefit from change. To me, it seems probable that radical changes are needed for trust and co-operation to be restored.

Perhaps it might be more productive to focus on resolving the long term issue of developing and maintaining good police-community relations than dwelling on the detail of this particular issue or the community response to it.

This is more about Democrats needing hate and divisions among the people, and continuing to whip their base into mobs of bad actors so that they can hold onto power than it is about police relations or "justice"

The only way leftists can win elections is through a poorly educated but emotionally charged electorate

Forget the facts, facts dont matter to these people

The grand jury saw all of the facts, heard all of the witnesses and judged that the law man had acted properly in defending himself from the violent street thug who was proven the felonious aggressor in this case

Forget the neighborhood. Forget the scared people trying to protect their children and their businesses, their very livelihood

Democrats need this hate to grow and fester more than anything

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It seems to me, to be able to make such a radical change requires the laws to be changed such that anyone, police or public, assailant or defender, that when someone is severely injured or killed has to face a charge of some sort and go through judicial process.
This, as I see it, is where the breakdown is occuring. The authorities are getting away with what the people see as excessive (and often lethal) force with impunity.

And as I've said many times in gun threads.... the mindset appears to be "gun first" without consideration of other means of apprehension or capture.
Just like the recent twelve year old who got shot playing with a toy gun and died.
That's two recent and completely avoidable deaths because of the "gun first" mindset.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Bringing just a little bit of ideological bias to the table sanity ?
Your take on things invariably can be boiled down to boilerplate condemnation of an entire group of folks who are diametrically your opposites on the political spectrum.....you could reduce your postings to a select few prearranged form letters with the simple expedient of filling in certain areas left blank for just such use