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UKIP could make some serious inroads because there are a lot of people in this country who want out of the European Union, and they're the only party firmly offering it.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Peon while you are right if you are talking about winning seats, you are incorrect if you think the UKIP share of the vote wont affect the results in the marginal seats. Lets not forget Cameron is already making threats and then backing down regards the EU. He promised a referendum in the 2010 manifesto, he has already put it off until after next May, and wont be able to back out of that if elected.

While the election may be fascinating, the following five years could be another disaster, whoever gets in.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
But notice that it only took less than 48 hours to find one!!
Personally, I don't think they tried very hard over the weekend.
After all, it was a mental patient that was safely locked up in a cell; so they couldn't harm anyone.
I think they got a tad lazy and the media exploded it out of proportion for sensationalistic headlines.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Of course over this side of the pond the homelss/mentally ill are shot and killed by cops, and/or put in jail due to the lack of space, facilities and shortage.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/5-key-cases-of-police-shooting-deaths-involving-mentally-ill-individuals-1.2748257
http://www.jaapl.org/content/38/1/104.full
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/8/mental-illness-prison.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/nyregion/rikers-study-finds-prisoners-injured-by-employees.html?_r=0
http://nicic.gov/mentalillness
The ACLU released dashboard camera footage showing eight cops firing 46 shots at Milton Hall. The mentally ill man was holding a pen knife.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/graphic-new-video-released-mich-cops-killing-homeless-man-article-1.1990595
With just 50,000 inpatient psychiatric beds for tens of millions of people across the country, the mentally ill typically wait twice as long for treatment as other patient populations do. "It's like landing airplanes at O'Hare airport," says Ken Duckworth, medical director of the National Alliance on Mental Illness. "For psychiatric patients in particular, every day is the Wednesday before Thanksgiving at O'Hare. There is just no place for them to go."
http://www.newsweek.com/woman-who-died-hospital-waiting-room-92661
If you have ever worked with mentally ill patients, the system has been broken since the 90s....in the US, Canada, ANd the UK
and to say that universal access means instant access is fucking bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Anyone can walk into a hospital ER and will be taken care of to the best of the hospital's ability (which, btw, is better care than that received in a jail). EMTALA means they can't turn anyone away for lack of ability to pay.
Any patient that comes in has to, at the very least, be stabilized, if the hospital can do so. If the hospital can't stabilize the patient because of lack of ability, that patient gets transferred to a hospital that has that ability. It's a pretty fucked up system, innit?
So, for now on, I do expect you to put an asterisk next to "universal" to identify that it's not universal. So, yeah, you have Universal* Health care.

Bollocks...... EMTALA isnt anywhere near an equivalent to the NHS service. It is only equal to our A & E.....How the fuck you decided to bring jails into the debate is beyond me, but then again much of your bullshit is beyond me.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Of course over this side of the pond the homelss/mentally ill are shot and killed by cops, and/or put in jail due to the lack of space, facilities and shortage.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/5-key-cases-of-police-shooting-deaths-involving-mentally-ill-individuals-1.2748257
http://www.jaapl.org/content/38/1/104.full
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/8/mental-illness-prison.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/nyregion/rikers-study-finds-prisoners-injured-by-employees.html?_r=0
http://nicic.gov/mentalillness
The ACLU released dashboard camera footage showing eight cops firing 46 shots at Milton Hall. The mentally ill man was holding a pen knife.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/graphic-new-video-released-mich-cops-killing-homeless-man-article-1.1990595
With just 50,000 inpatient psychiatric beds for tens of millions of people across the country, the mentally ill typically wait twice as long for treatment as other patient populations do. "It's like landing airplanes at O'Hare airport," says Ken Duckworth, medical director of the National Alliance on Mental Illness. "For psychiatric patients in particular, every day is the Wednesday before Thanksgiving at O'Hare. There is just no place for them to go."
http://www.newsweek.com/woman-who-died-hospital-waiting-room-92661
If you have ever worked with mentally ill patients, the system has been broken since the 90s....in the US, Canada, ANd the UK
and to say that universal access means instant access is fucking bullshit.

Your attempt to equate, even a little bit, the case of a woman suffering from a mental illness and causing a "breach of peace," to inmates who are incarcerated as criminals is appalling. She was kept in the jail because there were no beds "in the country" for her. The people in the articles you cited weren't waiting for beds in a psych ward, they were criminals who had mental illness. There is a huge difference.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
She was detained.... she was in the system, she was in their custody, having a secure place to put her is NOT universal access, she was judged to have been sectionable, danger to herself or others. Was she already or had been in the system? Has she been sectioned before? what for? what kind of breach of the peace, was she known by the police for anything else? was she homeless? was she an addict, drunk, there was no family mentioned, only a tweet that says theres no room for her in the whole country.



I dont give a flying leaky anal fissure that you think Im appalling, considering how hard you have made your health care simply about lowering the fucking costs, you dont and havent given a shit about the human reality.

So dont play all aghast at me, you simply havent got a case to suddenly bleed liberal and be taken seriously
Im a proud red blooded tree hugging, heart bleeding goody two shoes fucking liberal and I totally agree with your assertion she should have a place for her, that the system for two days failed her. If the cops had killed her, she would have been just another troubled female who had a suicide by cop.

Amazing how the people in the articles cited were NOT all criminals so read a little closer, oh and by the way, drunk, homeless, mentally ill people are wrongly charged and detained every day. AND they land IN PRISONS because there are not enough mentally ill places available. Yes in the UK the US and Canada.

Your lack of knowledge is excruciatingly obvious, I can give you a hundred more links, if you wish, but given your attempt to lie about the links I gave you already, you can do some serious research yourself. Its easy enough....
Im done with this for today.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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UKIP could make some serious inroads because there are a lot of people in this country who want out of the European Union, and they're the only party firmly offering it.

I'd lay a bet that they won't, NG. They've notched up lots of points in by-elections and local elections - but they won't manage it in the coming general election. For a start, everyone knows that UKIP won't ever form a government. Secondly, the Tories will promise a referendum on membership of the EU, and they have a great deal more chance of forming a government. Thirdly, UKIP has no serious policy other than that of anti-Eu and anti-immigration. Basically, people will show their anger and vote UKIP for councils, the European Parliament and by-elections - but they won't do that in the general election.

Ukip will gain a few seats. But not enough to be able to do anything with them. They won't be the junior party in a coalition. That's my bet. My bet is also that Labour will win a majority - though not a big one - and Miliband will become PM. Thereafter - I have no idea. He won't know what the frigging hell to do with the country, for the excellent reason that nobody in this country knows what the frigging hell to do with this country.

God, I'm looking forward to this election. It'll be so fascinating!

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I think the majority of people will see the Conservative Party as the safer bet when election day comes round

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I think the majority of people will see the Conservative Party as the safer bet when election day comes round

The polls have generally had Labour ahead, despite everything. I'd be surprised if they won a majority.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I think the majority of people will see the Conservative Party as the safer bet when election day comes round

The polls have generally had Labour ahead, despite everything. I'd be surprised if they won a majority.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Me?? I'm gonna be an asshole and vote UKIP just because I am sick to the back teeth of the main three.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Asshole? It's arsehole, man!

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I dont give a flying leaky anal fissure that you think Im appalling, considering how hard you have made your health care simply about lowering the fucking costs, you dont and havent given a shit about the human reality.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We shouldnt. We need single payer nationalized healthcare, and to dismantle the insurance companies and lobbies.