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GoddessManko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 11:22:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

When I joined, it was to participate in what was at the time the very vigorous Gorean section.

I didn't in any way feel "hazed." I *did* feel pushed to support my stances, to be willing to stand for something, to defend it logically, and not to be afforded automatic respect just for being, but earning that respect in my exchanges with others on the forums. And that happened, even with posters with whom I agree.

Others...decided to be dicks start to finish, and got (and get) continually called on it. Then we just got bored with the nuttiness and got on with our own individual lives.


This pretty much sums it up for me. I am here to participate on the forums and give my little tidbit of opinion where it may fit (notice I am never seen in the "ask a switch" section and a few others.) If people seem to be fishing for information just to gossip or out each other, that's their problem, I want no part of it. I have plenty of acquaintances and friends offline who have nothing but the best things to say about me so I don't need to have "friends of common interest", in fact I like branching outside of that.
So feel free to hypothesize about why I keep a stone wall between myself and others, it is that I have already seen the results of this pseudo-"friendship". I'll pass. (Not saying everyone is this way but it is what it is.) When you start down that path of revealing yourself to people online who might have an inclination to "pettiness", just know what you're setting yourself up for and enjoy. [8|]




CreativeDominant -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 12:47:02 PM)

Nicely stated CD.

For everyone else:

I also have to serious question how many times a newbie came onto these forums searching for answers to questions they legitimately need answered and they were automatically lumped into the wankers pile? face it, every one of us were newcomers and we didn't have the answers, we were ignorant to how to pose questions that came across as "normal" or "proper." We all started out with very little info and because of that, we do not have a solid basis to start from, so yeah naturally our questions/inquiries will be badly worded, incorrectly asked and obviously gives the first impression we have no damn idea what we are talking about.

Thing is.....when a newbie who asks questions regarding some extreme activity, the reality is most people will be giving their own opinions and thoughts to why they feel it can be a high risk activity. This is NOT forcing our beliefs onto another but advising the uninformed that what the newbie thinks they want carries risks that can/might range from mild to a medical emergency - nothing more. This is something which I myself struggle with each and every time I read a post from a person and not necessary a newbie on an activity that carries a high risk.

Let me ask each of you this regarding what I bolded in CD's quote:

Am I in the wrong not to offer an opinion to whether that activity is extremely risky due to potential health risks?

Am I wrong to offer my opinion to advise that person of the high potential risks involved based on my 15 years of training and education in high risk activities regarding STDs, especially since rimming is classified as a sexual activity?

Or do I simply refuse to offer advice and adopt the attitude of, "oh well, not my problem?"

Either way I am dammed if I say anything and I am dammed if I don't.

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But of course it was, bear.[;)]

And you know I agree with you.




GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 1:33:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissToYouRedux
I would like to point out that there's currently a topic in Ask a Mistress being politely ignored that seems suitable for your 30 seconds. [;)]


Thanks, I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said something.




GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 1:40:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant
Steel, as noble as your mission here is, it is in no way, shape, form or fashion a viable one. As much pissing and whining that has gone on this thread about hazing posters, 90% of that shit NEEDS TO HAPPEN!


Can I take this as you advocating that we haze 10% fewer people?




YouName -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 2:05:25 PM)

I can't even flame ET but ET can flame other people :(




mnottertail -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 2:07:06 PM)

perhaps you could phone it in? That eventually seemed to work in the movie.




shiftyw -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 2:08:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant
Steel, as noble as your mission here is, it is in no way, shape, form or fashion a viable one. As much pissing and whining that has gone on this thread about hazing posters, 90% of that shit NEEDS TO HAPPEN!


Can I take this as you advocating that we haze 10% fewer people?


I don't think 100% of them get hazed now. I can find threads if you really want me to...




YouName -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 2:13:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

perhaps you could phone it in? That eventually seemed to work in the movie.



I need the "country" code for planet Self-Obsessed first.
Maybe it's +666?




mnottertail -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 2:15:03 PM)

Let me check the PMS+ listings.




GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 2:18:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant
Steel, as noble as your mission here is, it is in no way, shape, form or fashion a viable one. As much pissing and whining that has gone on this thread about hazing posters, 90% of that shit NEEDS TO HAPPEN!


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
I don't think 100% of them get hazed now. I can find threads if you really want me to...


No need, I'm not disagreeing with your position, it's not 100% and it's better than it used to be. I can remember when nearly 100% of relationship questions were responded to with dump them. Whereas that's much more rare now.

What I'm saying is that if 90% of that shit is necessary than 10% of that shit is unnecessary.




FieryOpal -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 6:29:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

The others were straight forward personal attacks. So I was wondering how furries fit in, especially with that emoticon. Were you making a pejorative statement about the furry lifestyle?

There were no personal attacks made, just a range of choices. Lighten up. Stop taking yourself so seriously. It makes you sound like another one of those snotty 30-somethings with skin as thin as origami paper that you (plural) can't dominate your way out of, who goes around running your mouth off. (Not that you yourself do this regularly or always come across offensively in such an abrasive manner, sans class)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

There was a question mark. It was a kinder choice than Arranging gang bangs?

How so? Is there something wrong with arranging gangbangs? Because I have been trying to facilitate a gangbang for shifty, sadly she'll have none of it.

Is there something wrong with trying to pimp out shifty? Gee, you'd have to ask her that. And her man, assuming that you don't consider poaching to be an achievable kink, that is, and therefore exempt from any censure.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Or Heading the Achievable Fetish & Kink Subcommittee of the FL BDSM Committee? [:D]

That sounds fun, do I get a pretentious hat?

See, now that's the spirit. [:)]




FieryOpal -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 7:02:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Anyone who has made a spectacle of himself/herself by being anti-gun who then turns around and asks "What wasn't SSC about his kink?" has made a 180-degree about face.

Um, I'm explicitly not anti-gun, pretty sure I've posted pictures of myself shooting and some of my guns before. I'm just anti-senseless killing of human beings.

If not, then it may have been anti-assault rifle, in which case I agree that this is overkill (no pun intended) and not good sportsmanship in terms of exhibiting responsible hunting skills.

Was there not a credo, or some paper you had to sign when you took Gun Safety classes to promote firearms safety and not the opposite?

Yeah, loaded - and all firearms are considered to be loaded at all times as ExiledTyrant also pointed out succinctly - guns are among the top No.1 accidental killers and maimers, not counting automobile accidents. How senseless is that? You and I may have nothing against drinking for those who aren't alcoholics, but I doubt either of us would put a drunk driver behind the wheel to let loose upon the highways.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

The insinuation here is that as long as anybody calls what they do a kink (or a fetish), then it's all fine and dandy.

I'm a humanist, as such my determinations as to fine and dandy have everything to do with harm. So non-consensual humiliation fetishes are not fine and dandy. Re-purposing objects as dildos, well as long as someone can figure out how to do it safely, *shrug* sure it's fine and dandy.

So you keep saying. And dancing. Do you really believe that a person who disregards weapons safety gives a flying flip about consensuality?
That's about as lame an argument as saying that if rapists could afford to pay for sex, they would stop raping women. (Not to open another can of worms needlessly [8|] )
It's good though that you and I are on the same page about how damaging a (non-consensual) humiliation fetish can be.




cloudboy -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 7:13:32 PM)

A couple of things:

(1) In the old days I used to defend malesubs from hazing by what I would call "the regulars." In the Ask a Mistress section I became pretty unpopular and regarded by many as an asshole. (Many of the malesubs liked me though. They liked my advocacy.) I've kind of checked out from doing that.

(2) What you term hazing I often see as projection. Malesub has an off-kilter kink -- say human toilet or sissy maid service. Women as a general rule (99% or so) hate these kinks and then project that repulsion / intolerance onto the person seeking a partner. Personal advice and criticism offered in posts is actually nothing more than bigotry and intolerance. Frankly, my heart really goes out to others with off-kilter kinks.

(3) Those (M-F) with mainstream interests: impact play, power exchange, and headline BDSM interests fare better.

(4) Women fare better than men. I think Hillwilliam actually posted about how men get beat up here much more so than women.

(5) One time I conducted an experiment. There was a trainwreck thread in the ASK A MISTRESS FORUM. I thought the OP asked a valid question. I can't recall it now. He was pretty much run out of town. So, I made up female proflle, and posted a mirror question in ASK A MASTER. There was a night and day difference in how that thread went. Now I can't remember the details. In general, men just seem less harsh/incompatible with Femsub interests, whereas women are much less indulgent, patient, etc. (That's how I see it.)

P.S. I understand that women have to deal with a bunch of male creeps, liars, and rude assholes -- to me that's the female cross to bear here on CM, but I don't think that's super true of the CMMB. But I think bearing that cross -- sometimes leads to some overly critical posting.

All these observations might be outdated b/c I've pretty much retreated from all posting except for politics. The scrums there pretty much go in predictable circles.




cloudboy -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 7:29:04 PM)


Aakasha once started a thread colorably in defense of hazing. Her premise was that deluded malesubs should be slapped upside the head. For her, instead of "hazing" the rough treatment of an OP was a valid, well earned, and deserved reality check.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3018666/mpage_1/key_fat%252Cthreads%252Casshole/tm.htm#3019073

I took issue with her position.




RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 7:48:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Aakasha once started a thread colorably in defense of hazing. Her premise was that deluded malesubs should be slapped upside the head. For her, instead of "hazing" the rough treatment of an OP was a valid, well earned, and deserved reality check.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3018666/mpage_1/key_fat%252Cthreads%252Casshole/tm.htm#3019073

I took issue with her position.

I agree with her, but disagree with the idea that the responses that she was advocating are a slap upside the head or "hazing."

Now, if we're talking about a sub who whines because he can't meet a woman who wants to piss all over him or ballbust him, he's liable to get responses from plenty of femdoms who remind him their demographic doesn't exist to satisfy his fantasies. But that doesn't seem to be what she's talking about.




RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 7:56:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

A couple of things:

(1) In the old days I used to defend malesubs from hazing by what I would call "the regulars." In the Ask a Mistress section I became pretty unpopular and regarded by many as an asshole. (Many of the malesubs liked me though. They liked my advocacy.) I've kind of checked out from doing that.

(2) What you term hazing I often see as projection. Malesub has an off-kilter kink -- say human toilet or sissy maid service. Women as a general rule (99% or so) hate these kinks and then project that repulsion / intolerance onto the person seeking a partner. Personal advice and criticism offered in posts is actually nothing more than bigotry and intolerance. Frankly, my heart really goes out to others with off-kilter kinks.

(3) Those (M-F) with mainstream interests: impact play, power exchange, and headline BDSM interests fare better.

(4) Women fare better than men. I think Hillwilliam actually posted about how men get beat up here much more so than women.

(5) One time I conducted an experiment. There was a trainwreck thread in the ASK A MISTRESS FORUM. I thought the OP asked a valid question. I can't recall it now. He was pretty much run out of town. So, I made up female proflle, and posted a mirror question in ASK A MASTER. There was a night and day difference in how that thread went. Now I can't remember the details. In general, men just seem less harsh/incompatible with Femsub interests, whereas women are much less indulgent, patient, etc. (That's how I see it.)

P.S. I understand that women have to deal with a bunch of male creeps, liars, and rude assholes -- to me that's the female cross to bear here on CM, but I don't think that's super true of the CMMB. But I think bearing that cross -- sometimes leads to some overly critical posting.

All these observations might be outdated b/c I've pretty much retreated from all posting except for politics. The scrums there pretty much go in predictable circles.
My experience has been that new femdoms are the ones most likely to be run out of town, but mainly because their attitude tends to suck. (Domme regulars, please note the operative word there is "NEW" and doesn't apply to you.) But I don't have actual stats on that. I do think your example would work better if you could remember the thread. It's possible there was more going on than subconscious sexism.

You may not see it, but there is a pattern among many malesub new postings where if a female comments with the intent of contributing to the discussion, she'll get a message on the other side almost immediately from the OP trying to hit on her. Many of these posts are thinly veiled pickup attempts. I'll guess a lot of the women here have experienced it longer than I, and are tired of it, and carry that wariness to the "Is anyone into my totally one-sided fetish" threads. A strong "No, I'm not into it" is a defense mechanism (at least for me) from those messages.

Not sure what CMMB means. I Googled it, but assume you aren't talking about the Catholic Medical Mission Board.




FieryOpal -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 8:03:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

(2) What you term hazing I often see as projection. Malesub has an off-kilter kink -- say human toilet or sissy maid service. Women as a general rule (99% or so) hate these kinks and then project that repulsion / intolerance onto the person seeking a partner. Personal advice and criticism offered in posts is actually nothing more than bigotry and intolerance. Frankly, my heart really goes out to others with off-kilter kinks.

(3) Those (M-F) with mainstream interests: impact play, power exchange, and headline BDSM interests fare better.

Actually, sissy maid service is not off-kilter or an off-the-wall fetish. However, for every sissy who wants to dress up as a maid, or go around half-dressed while performing houseboy-maid services with an audience in tow (and then do a lackluster job while doing it because his focus is not on cleaning or performing housekeeping services, it's on gratifying his fetish-kink), there are exponentially more women who don't get into indulging that sort of fetish-kink. The usual question is "Why aren't more women into this?" or "Where can I find a Dominant woman who will [act out my fantasy script for me]...?" Then when those of us who aren't interested inform the OP why or why not, we are giving him our own points of view for his erudition. What happens in the case of sissyCDs is that posters become polarized on sissyCD-dom in itself, which is as much a subjective smokescreen projection of sulky and puerile wishful thinking as any other kind of perceived projection.

If the OP doesn't like the sampling of answers he gets, then why bother asking the question in the first place? We're all adults here. Everybody who posts is posting his or her opinion. Nobody is out to persecute others for their particular kink or fetish. Opinions will vary. Nobody is obligated to embrace anybody else's kink or fetish either for themselves. There are no equal opportunity kinks or equal opportunity fetishes when it comes to our own personal preferences in a partner. Therein lies the difference.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

(4) Women fare better than men. I think Hillwilliam actually posted about how men get beat up here much more so than women.

I don't ordinarily see a female poster leading with her kinks & fetishes (unless she states that she is an lg, or has a bisexual-poly orientation, or some other pertinent info), and I've read up on hundreds of threads, and perhaps those OPs who are more receptive to hearing advice will receive a better reception.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

(5) One time I conducted an experiment. There was a trainwreck thread in the ASK A MISTRESS FORUM. I thought the OP asked a valid question. I can't recall it now. He was pretty much run out of town. So, I made up female proflle, and posted a mirror question in ASK A MASTER. There was a night and day difference in how that thread went. Now I can't remember the details. In general, men just seem less harsh/incompatible with Femsub interests, whereas women are much less indulgent, patient, etc. (That's how I see it.)

P.S. I understand that women have to deal with a bunch of male creeps, liars, and rude assholes -- to me that's the female cross to bear here on CM, but I don't think that's super true of the CMMB. But I think bearing that cross -- sometimes leads to some overly critical posting.

All these observations might be outdated b/c I've pretty much retreated from all posting except for politics. The scrums there pretty much go in predictable circles.

I wish you could remember the particular topic in question. Content and phraseology does make a difference as well. Also, what Doms are into activity-wise and their priorities are not always alike as with Dommes, and the same goes for male and female subs having their own variances, not to mention S/switches.

Thanks for your personal insights, btw. It would be nice if you would start posting your PoV over here more often again. [:)]

ETA: Roxie, I just saw your posts. CMMB = CollarMe Message Board(s) ... which would be CSMB instead nowadays.




GoddessManko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 8:13:17 PM)

FR, cloudboy thank you for that link, Akasha's perspectives are often incredibly refreshing.




cloudboy -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 8:13:44 PM)


I think the alzheimer's has begun to set in after I crossed age 50. I do know where my car keys are, tho.




GoddessManko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/11/2014 8:16:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


I think the alzheimer's has begun to set in after I crossed age 50. I do know where my car keys are, tho.


LOL! I believe I'm possibly more absent minded than you are so no worries. [:D]




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