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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/4/2015 2:38:01 PM   
DaddySatyr


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I don't know about anyone else but when I say I'm into masochism and I negotiate scenes, I am only negotiating physical sadomasochism. I do not associate masochism with humiliation and I do not react well to people randomly throwing that in. Humiliation is some of those handle with care things and IMO it doesn't work well casually anyway.

Ask your partners first, and even if they're into humiliation it doesn't mean they're okay with you poking around at it.



Coming from the other side of the kneel, I would have to concur with this assessment.

I am not very sadistic, at all but I and my partners usually enjoy a fair amount of degradation and humiliation.

I split that hair even further, though. I see degradation as that which happens in private and humiliation as something that is public. Therefore, we are much more into the former than the latter. Let's face it: assuming that everyone present is "okay" with experiencing her humiliation, a good portion might not completely understand it. Why would I want to damage how others see my partners?



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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/5/2015 4:27:34 AM   
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Prefer pain to humiliation but I do think they are often connected. A rather extreme example I know but imagine being restrained, having your nipples nailed to a board by a sadist who then canes your breasts. Since you travel to put yourself in this situation, its both painful and humiliating.


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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/5/2015 7:09:07 AM   
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I consider myself to be an erotic humiliatrix. This may include expected servitude, forced sex, body worship, orgasm denial, having my submissive naked whilst I’m dressed or it may include more verbal things such as scolding, threatening, demanding or depriving what they want. What my humiliation does not include is belittling, mocking, ridiculing or making them feel worthless; if that is all there was to the wonderful world of humiliation, I simply wouldn't be here.

I enjoy spanking or using physical implements on a submissive more than a non submissive masochist because I need to interact on a verbal level as well as a physical one. Someone who’s just lays their enjoying the pain and not wanting any dominance doesn’t do it for me; I may as well be flogging a dead horse...what's the point? There has to be submission and there has to be an element of embarrassment at having to take that pain for me. He has to communicate with me when I'm getting physical and I absolutely demand that of him even if he does find it humiliating.

I go to clubs so see a good amount of public scening. I've never understood those who bend their partner over a bench and go about flogging, whipping and caning them for a good 40 minutes without so much as a word between them. When I see a dominant grab his sub by the hair, pull her head back and speak up close and right in her face, that gets my attention because that is how I combine my sadism with my dominance.

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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/5/2015 3:12:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I consider myself to be an erotic humiliatrix. This may include expected servitude, forced sex, body worship, orgasm denial, having my submissive naked whilst I’m dressed or it may include more verbal things such as scolding, threatening, demanding or depriving what they want. What my humiliation does not include is belittling, mocking, ridiculing or making them feel worthless; if that is all there was to the wonderful world of humiliation, I simply wouldn't be here.

I enjoy spanking or using physical implements on a submissive more than a non submissive masochist because I need to interact on a verbal level as well as a physical one. Someone who’s just lays their enjoying the pain and not wanting any dominance doesn’t do it for me; I may as well be flogging a dead horse...what's the point? There has to be submission and there has to be an element of embarrassment at having to take that pain for me. He has to communicate with me when I'm getting physical and I absolutely demand that of him even if he does find it humiliating.

I go to clubs so see a good amount of public scening. I've never understood those who bend their partner over a bench and go about flogging, whipping and caning them for a good 40 minutes without so much as a word between them. When I see a dominant grab his sub by the hair, pull her head back and speak up close and right in her face, that gets my attention because that is how I combine my sadism with my dominance.

If I were to engage in a humiliation dynamic with my sub partner ever again, it would have to be erotically charged as it was between me and my late husband. Unless I feel intimately connected with a man, that desire to dance with him in such a manner barely exists. He has to be able to execute the right dance moves in sync with my cues or while I take the lead, is the best way I can describe it, and a passive partner won't fit the bill. I might as well be dancing by myself, having mental masturbation.

For me, it's very much about exerting and exercising control, and to reinforce Domination and submission in terms of ownership. To my way of thinking, I shouldn't have to resort to humiliating my sub or bending him to my will as if his submission is only on lease or on loan to me. (WTH do I want with "rented" or time-shared half-assed overtures of submission?) Then it no longer becomes a pleasurable dance, humiliation play, or mutually enjoyed funishment, but a matter of serious discipline instead, which is a buzzkill.

Public humiliation is a Soft Limit, and I wouldn't want a sub who was into that or who would want to push his or her Dominant's buttons to instigate that kind of impromptu scene. I love spontaneity, but within concensual limits, and this means MY OWN as well.

How anyone can equate private humiliation to degradation is puzzling, so I what DaddySatyr posted about what his concept of degradation is, is...rather odd. Degradation is akin to belittling and making another made to feel less than and lower than--to degrade.
Humiliation is to degradation what D/s is to BDSM. One is a state of being - to humiliate is to make humble as a state of mind - the other is a state of doing (e.g. performing degrading activities).

Btw Maria, I also don't understand what Tops and bottoms get out of publicly scening their light floggings, and then two hours later, there the same "Masters" are still at it with their s-types (loosely) tied to the same St. Andrew's Crosses.

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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/6/2015 2:55:05 AM   
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Humiliation is an interesting one FieryOpal because within elements of the BDSM world it seems to be viewed through a very narrow window and because of that, its not something that gets discussed in depth very often. In fact the psychology behind it is probably one of the least discussed things within this lifestyle and yet it goes on all around us in its subtlest of forms.

People will point out, which unfortunately tends to put the "Humiliation discussion" to bed, the dictionary definition of the word but just as "slave" within the BDSM context, doesn't mean the same as "slave" within its dictionary definition; humiliation also has a much broader meaning within this lifestyle.

If I grabbed a my submissive by the hair, leaned in close and said, "You are going to do exactly as I say, when I say" they may or may not feel humiliated. A submissive who feels humiliated because they got something wrong could be a submissive who's only aim in life is to please her dominant but is that humiliation good? is it bad? is it the thing that keeps her in line in the future or is it something where she says, "fuck this, I'm not going to put up with his silly rules any longer"? why did she put herself in a position of only wanting to please, often under strict guidelines. Many submissives/slaves want to believe that if they get something wrong they will be taken to task/reprimanded and they may do everything right so they never get taken to task but they still choose to be their. We can please our partner without being a submissive or slave. I love pleasing my partner. The difference between a submissive and me is, I can selfishly choose when I want to please him and if I don't please him there is no consequence. If I desired consequence to drive me to please then surely I desire an element of humiliation?

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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/10/2015 12:32:12 PM   
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My physical masochism works fine with anybody I like or esteem. It is not always connected with submission.

Emotional pain I can only cope with if the top knows me well. Humiliation always makes me feel incredibly submissive and worshipful.

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RE: Masochism: humiliation vs. physical pain - 1/11/2015 8:01:16 PM   
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Another yes, please, to all of it, as the bottom. I have no idea as to a general trend. I think I will say that there haven't been many tops to whom I would bottom for emotional or mental sadism. I've seen far too many online who show their ineptitude immediately, and the ones I've seen play at parties are just...well, they don't play in a way that would interest me. Meh.

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