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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark
I don't know how it works where you are but here the patient goes up to the secretary with their doctor, the doctor tells the secretary when he wants to see the patient the patient and secretary book it. That's all, no force or coercion.

That's pretty much it here, too. But, in between, there is no way to ensure compliance. That's a big part of the problem.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Until our government make restrictions on certain products going into food and until they stop misleading us with misguided labels on food, I'm not sure any of this is going to do any good.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked.

Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Until our government make restrictions on certain products going into food and until they stop misleading us with misguided labels on food, I'm not sure any of this is going to do any good.

A lack of exercise and a lack of decent food in moderation are significant factors with this issue.

It doesn't take much to buy some vegetables and put them in a stew, nor does it take much to do some exercise.

The real 'culprit' is the society we have become and the cultural values we espouse these days, values which promote being mere consumers and which also pay scant regard to being part of a community.

People, some people, are happy enough to sit in front of the tele stuffing their faces with rubbish without a care in the world that other people are picking up the tab for it.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked.

Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked.

Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that.

There you go projecting again.
Some of what DS has "assumed" and "guessed" and "supposed" has been ridiculous enough to be utter bullshit
At least here furrigners actually do research into what they post about. Why is it that so many people on this fora section who need to do research and back up their claims never do.

Then complain about the damn furrigners.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
I found nothing that implied forcing people in doing stuff in the article, just incentives, if you can give me some quotes I can change my mind though.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark
I don't know how it works where you are but here the patient goes up to the secretary with their doctor, the doctor tells the secretary when he wants to see the patient the patient and secretary book it. That's all, no force or coercion.

That's pretty much it here, too. But, in between, there is no way to ensure compliance. That's a big part of the problem.

In between there is frequently no need for regular followups. Also just because a patient is seen regularly doesn't mean there will be compliance. In the end it's up to the patient, the doctor can only do so much. On the whole, as someone who has worked in healthcare for 20+ years, patients tend to be very good about seeing their doctor when there's a need, but there will always be some people - MANY people - who simply aren't going to follow their doctor's advice.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark
I don't know how it works where you are but here the patient goes up to the secretary with their doctor, the doctor tells the secretary when he wants to see the patient the patient and secretary book it. That's all, no force or coercion.

That's pretty much it here, too. But, in between, there is no way to ensure compliance. That's a big part of the problem.

In between there is frequently no need for regular followups. Also just because a patient is seen regularly doesn't mean there will be compliance. In the end it's up to the patient, the doctor can only do so much. On the whole, as someone who has worked in healthcare for 20+ years, patients tend to be very good about seeing their doctor when there's a need, but there will always be some people - MANY people - who simply aren't going to follow their doctor's advice.

That's what I'm saying.

The OP's question about the article was in how the program would "ensure" compliance.

Most of this thread is people questioning how anyone could think that proactive, preventative health care is a bad idea, which no one has claimed.

Regardless of how many programs you start, support, fund, etc., if the patient doesn't follow through, the outcomes aren't going to be realized. And, if GP's aren't already doing what this program is pushing, shouldn't the question of "why the fuck not?" be asked and answered?

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark
And the point you either aren't getting or are willfully ignoring that GPs ARE doing those things but there is only so much they can do.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
I found nothing that implied forcing people in doing stuff in the article, just incentives, if you can give me some quotes I can change my mind though.

Did you read the OP?