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MHOO314 -> Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 3:47:06 PM)
Has anyone ever heard of a situation where in a family that the second gen was BDSM oriented, the submissive or slave either decided on the death of the Dominant to serve gen two or the sub or slave was 'passed' to the next gen? What do you think of that?

KnightofMists -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 4:06:20 PM)
Oops need to read better..... deleted since it didn't apply

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 4:20:37 PM)
Our will specifies that any slaves in our collar will be passed down to my middle daughter. She is the sole executor of our property. Whether or not twicehappy choses to serve her and her girlfriend would be up to twicehappy. So, yeah, that would be a yes, the second generation is BDSM oriented. *Jewel*

enigmabrat -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 4:34:04 PM)
I guess the your kink is not my kind rule applies her too me because I just think that this would be wrong!! I dont like the idea but then again i dont think any person can be property no matter how much they claim they are or want to be and that in that case you dont will them to someone els like you would your furniture. but thats my opinion and how I see the world

twicehappy -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 5:11:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat I guess the your kink is not my kind rule applies her too me because I just think that this would be wrong!! I dont like the idea but then How would my owner’s second daughter “inheriting” me be wrong? To start with let me say I adore Shi (the daughter mentioned) and her lesbian life mate. And I do believe the feeling is mutual. You will notice my Mistress stated the choice of whether or not I would serve Shi would be mine (I do not think I would choose to serve her this would be too much like incest for my tastes). The daughter spoken of has no choice in whether or not she inherits me (she is happy with the arrangement however). In order to inherit the estate she must accept me also, this is a condition of the inheritance. Why would my owners do this? Why would I agree? This is to insure that along with my lifetime rights to live in my home if my owners were to predecease me, they are also providing me with someone whom they trust to care for me, be responsible for my well being and happiness when they are gone. A more thoughtful arrangement that shows the depth of their feelings and love for me I cannot imagine. quote: i dont think any person can be property no matter how much they claim they are or want to be and that in that case you dont will them to someone els like you would your furniture I am a collared slave, therefore I am property until I am released or sold. As long as I and my owners abide by this then that is what I am, property. Does the law of the United States uphold this, no. They also refuse to recognize gay marriage or poly households. Does that make it any less real to those of us who practice these things and agree to abide by our personal choices? No, not in any way, size, shape or form.

MHOO314 -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 6:14:44 PM)
can this be the only situation of this?

enigmabrat -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 11:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat I guess the your kink is not my kind rule applies her too me because I just think that this would be wrong!! I dont like the idea but then How would my owner’s second daughter “inheriting” me be wrong? To start with let me say I adore Shi (the daughter mentioned) and her lesbian life mate. And I do believe the feeling is mutual. You will notice my Mistress stated the choice of whether or not I would serve Shi would be mine (I do not think I would choose to serve her this would be too much like incest for my tastes). The daughter spoken of has no choice in whether or not she inherits me (she is happy with the arrangement however). In order to inherit the estate she must accept me also, this is a condition of the inheritance. Why would my owners do this? Why would I agree? This is to insure that along with my lifetime rights to live in my home if my owners were to predecease me, they are also providing me with someone whom they trust to care for me, be responsible for my well being and happiness when they are gone. A more thoughtful arrangement that shows the depth of their feelings and love for me I cannot imagine. quote: i dont think any person can be property no matter how much they claim they are or want to be and that in that case you dont will them to someone els like you would your furniture I am a collared slave, therefore I am property until I am released or sold. As long as I and my owners abide by this then that is what I am, property. Does the law of the United States uphold this, no. They also refuse to recognize gay marriage or poly households. Does that make it any less real to those of us who practice these things and agree to abide by our personal choices? No, not in any way, size, shape or form. Like I said and what I said was not directed at you or your situation... like I said this is how I feel and I still feel that way i was very varfull with my wording on this its how I feel just as that is how you feel im not saying your wrong its just my opinion that I dont agree

juliaoceania -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 11:38:06 PM)
Twicehappy, Indeed it is a loving and thoughtful and beautiful thing. You and your Master and your Mistress are all lucky to have found such a match...

leakylee -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/13/2006 11:41:15 PM)
juliaoceania I totally agree. That is something that just gives you warm fuzzies, and something nice to think about as you drift off to sleep. love and light Lee

twicehappy -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 3:30:31 AM)
Thank you both very much for your kind words. The truth is there are many subs and slaves out there who due to circumstance(being poly or gay for example) and today’s inheritance laws would be out on the street, kicked out of a home they had lived in and worked for many a long year. The same is true with regards to medical emergencies, due to the laws regulating how relationships are recognized many a dominant would have no say or even visiting rights if their sub/slave were to require hospitalization or medical care. It is incumbent upon the folks in these "illegal" relationships to take the legal steps necessary to protect their partners in a relationship. In our case though i am comfortably set up on my own, my owners have set up their will so that after years of living and working on our home i would not suddenly find myself being forced to leave my home in case of the unforeseen occurring. More owners need to be cognizant of this possibility and take steps to ensure their loved ones do not end up homeless. With regards to the medical care that works both ways; the simplest solution is a durable medical Power of Attorney giving the rights to make decisions to the partners involved that supersede any others right(i.e. family members) to do so. Married people are given these rights by government, even in marriages that have long been bitter or unloving. It behooves those of us in this lifestyle to ensure the sames rights for those that we cherish as we are the only ones who can do so. If you love and care for what you own my question is why would'nt you.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 6:58:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 can this be the only situation of this? *It kind of appears that way, doesn't it? Oh well, we know we're strange, it's ok.* *Jewel*

NyxNymph -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:11:00 AM)
I don't mean to veer off topic, but it made me wonder, what happens when the "2nd gen" was the gen that found BDSM first? Does that change the dynamics of it? I came to it when I was in my mid-teens.. about 8 months ago, my mom found it.. has that changed how we relate to eachother? I'd say so.. does it apply to everyone? I dont know.

twicehappy -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:18:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NyxNymph I don't mean to veer off topic, but it made me wonder, what happens when the "2nd gen" was the gen that found BDSM first? Does that change the dynamics of it? I came to it when I was in my mid-teens.. about 8 months ago, my mom found it.. has that changed how we relate to eachother? I'd say so.. does it apply to everyone? I dont know. Not really except that you now have someone close to you to discuss all the myriad aspects of WIITWD and you can be free to practice the less personal (i.e. calling you dom Master) parts of our lifestyle in front of your family without fear of censure. quote: ORIGINAL: TheWhippingNun I would think that it certainly changes things betweeen yourself and your mother. Much for the better. A greater trust between you and a shared interest to be enjoyed together as you occassionally execute physical chastisement upon someone, as a female couple. While i do believe in the openness of our lifestyle this rings in my ears as bordering on incest; this is almost like saying someone discovered oral sex only to find out a little while later their mother had also just discovered this so now they should give blowjobs together.

NyxNymph -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:20:43 AM)
Whoa Nun, whoa.. aye my mother and I may both be into the lifestyle.. but why would I want to EVER be a female 'couple' with her? I don't think I really want to intimately know any of my mother's sexual practices, nor do I need to bloody see them, that IS incest as far as I'm concerned

heartfeltsub -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:22:17 AM)
Glad i am not the only one, thank you.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:22:45 AM)
When threads go wrong, man they go way wrong.

MsKatHouston -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:23:17 AM)
I can't imagine it for me but in theory it sounds lovely. I just don't see that part of my life shared with my children for it to make such a transaction possible. However, I do have children who are still young. If they are in the lifestyle and older...I don't know. I'm not sure even if they were we'd be discussing it over Sunday brunch but ya never know.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:29:54 AM)
(fast reply) I do appreciate you standing up for me and mine heartfelt and do understand where you are coming from completely. Let me explain our line of reasoning for the way we are doing things. For the same reason I/We won't make my daughter a co-owner in our house we will not make her a co-owner in any of our other property... the reason being we are still alive and do not feel the need to give up partial ownership of anything at this time. As far as making it mandatory? Lets be realistic here... how is that possible? Twice happens to adore my daughter... just not in a sexual capacity.. which works out great considering my daughter and her life partner are not poly. What the will specifies is that should something happen to my husband and myself then twice would be allowed to stay in our home as long as she chooses. She is NOT being passed down as a slave to any one of my children, she is, instead, being taken care of in the same manner as any other family member would be in the same circumstances. My daughter and her LP are involved in the lifestyle and fully understand that as twicehappy's owners it is our responsibility to see to her care, in that capacity, she would take over ownership and assume the responsibility of her care. The rest is up to twicehappy. If she chooses to stay here and live out her life under those circumstances then she is assured that it will happen. *Hopefully that clears things up some... And just an fyi... no, I wouldn't share anyone in a sexual manner with one of my grown kids... ever... that is sincerely not my thing.* *Jewel*

heartfeltsub -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:31:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheWhippingNun Madam, You appear to have difficulty reading english. I suggested things but at no time whatsoever did I make any dictatorial demand that they do so. You have percieved things entirely wrongly. I am sure you have made suggestions to people on the boards,they were not dictatorial demands. Please do try to learn the difference. Thank you. Actually i have absolutely no trouble reading the English language and if you will notice the post following this one of yours, that Twice herself was also offended by your statements dictating to her that as property (although not your property so i don't know where you feel you have any say as to how she acts) she has no right but to serve her Mistress's daughter and telling her Mistress that she should make her daughter co-owner at this time. This is my last post on the subject as i do not wish to start a flame, however i am really astounded as the audacity it takes to come into these forums and with your 2nd and third post makes such outlandish statements, dictating how others run their relationships.

heartfeltsub -> RE: Second Generation Submissives/Slaves (7/14/2006 7:34:07 AM)
Hope i wasn't out of line, it just really bothered me what she was saying after You and twice had already explained it so beautifully.

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