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MrRodgers -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 1:51:40 PM)
As somebody who is an ultra-moderate, right wing, revolutionary pacifist, and from the 'news' that in fact do watch including Fox and all of the others...Fox raises the needle the least. You know like...where's the beef ? As for fair and balanced ? The talk may go back and forth but the subject at hand...hardly. Spending 100's of hours a week on non-issues just to continually denigrate...well.

Hillwilliam -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 3:19:35 PM)
Meh, same old same old. FOX has discovered that it is a statistical certainty that half the American public is of below average intelligence. If you cater to them and feed their fears, you're golden as far as ratings go.

Sanity -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 3:59:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Meh, same old same old. FOX has discovered that it is a statistical certainty that half the American public is of below average intelligence. If you cater to them and feed their fears, you're golden as far as ratings go. One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour." It is easy to despise what you cannot get.

Politesub53 -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 4:18:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Noooooo!!! It can't be...a Democrat portraying himself as an expert when he's not??? I dont recall saying he wasnt a Democrat, I wasnt really interested. The point was, is and will always be, Fox news fucked up again. No doubt this bullshit is already being spewed on right wing web sites across the US. I'm sure you found the BBC screw-ups I brought forth just as amusing then. Oh indeed. Your link re the BBC getting the facts wrong about a painting is on a par with suggesting a country has no go areas. One fact is glaringly clear though, you are all okay with Foxnews misreporting, because it dovetails with your "Rightest" ideology.

Politesub53 -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 4:22:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tabloid news Politesub... I wonder where and who we learned it from? Butch So you are okay with Foxnews outright lying over such a sensetive issue then Butch ?

Lucylastic -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 4:40:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tabloid news Politesub... I wonder where and who we learned it from? Butch So you are okay with Foxnews outright lying over such a sensetive issue then Butch ? its ok PS they gave "excuses" like that when the fox station edited the film clip about the "protesting" shouting kill the cops. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4762490/tm.htm Why the hell are you surprised. Emerson is a dick, he was wrong, but I did LOVE some of the tweets in response to how muslim the UK is, or "isnt".And lets not forget Emerson is the same guy who in the aftermath of the Oklahoma bombing said it carried all the trademarks of "a Middle Eastern trait". Hell even Camerondickhead called him a complete idiot But #FoxNewsFacts on twitter had some lovely responses to his ....statement https://twitter.com/hashtag/foxnewsfacts?src=hash [image]local://upfiles/228382/FA34CA05041B4C1D9B0B329865F9395F.jpg[/image]

Sanity -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 4:51:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tabloid news Politesub... I wonder where and who we learned it from? Butch So you are okay with Foxnews outright lying over such a sensetive issue then Butch ? So, one Democrat contributor has now become FOX News itself...

Politesub53 -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 5:02:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tabloid news Politesub... I wonder where and who we learned it from? Butch So you are okay with Foxnews outright lying over such a sensetive issue then Butch ? So, one Democrat contributor has now become FOX News itself... Yeah, never mind the slur made against several European countries Sanity, just stay with your head jammed firmly up your arse. Since Fox decided to broadcast his interview, you are actually correct about something. now THATS what I call irony. Can I call you "sanity" since you insist on calling me "polite" bruv ? I need to know as I dont want to hurt your feelings.

Lucylastic -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 5:08:41 PM)
http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/01/12/ralph-peters-awol-pres-obama-coward-chose-side-terrorists http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/12/obama-awol-in-paris-message-to-america-allies-is-dont-care/ Fox's Andrea Tantaros Suggested All Muslims Are Like ISIS, Said Problem Should Be Solved "With A Bullet To The Head." On the August 20 edition of Fox News' Outnumbered, co-host Andrea Tantaros suggested that all Muslims were like the terrorist group the Islamic State, and said the problem can only be solved "with a bullet to the head": ANDREA TANTAROS: If you study the history of Islam. Our ship captains were getting murdered. The French had to tip us off. I mean these were the days of Thomas Jefferson. They've been doing the same thing. This isn't a surprise. You can't solve it with a dialogue. You can't solve it with a summit. You solve it with a bullet to the head. It's the only thing these people understand. And all we've heard from this president is a case to heap praise on this religion, as if to appease them. [Fox News, Outnumbered, 8/20/14] Fox's Eric Bolling: "Every Terrorist On American Soil Has Been A Muslim." On the June 6, 2012, edition of Fox News' The Five, host Eric Bolling advocated for police surveillance of Muslims and falsely claimed that "every terrorist on American soil has been a Muslim." [Fox News, The Five, 6/6/12] Fox's Brian Kilmeade: "Not Every Muslim Is An Extremist, A Terrorist, But Every Terrorist Is A Muslim." On the October 15, 2010, edition of Fox News Radio's Kilmeade & Friends, host Kilmeade defended his Fox colleague Bill O'Reilly's statement that "all terrorists are Muslim," asserting that "Not every Muslim is an extremist, a terrorist, but every terrorist is a Muslim. You can't avoid that fact." [Fox News Radio, Kilmeade & Friends, 10/15/10] Fox's Bill O'Reilly: "There Is A Muslim Problem In The World." During a November 23, 2010, interview with co-host of ABC's The View, Whoopi Goldberg on his Fox News show, Bill O'Reilly stated, "There is a Muslim problem in the world." [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 11/23/10] Fox's Greg Gutfeld: "I Would Love To Bomb Them Back To The Stoneage But They're Already There." On the February 27, 2012, edition of Fox News' The Five, co-host Greg Gutfeld described backlash over Koran burning in Afghanistan saying that President Obama only responds to Muslim backlash rather than Catholic backlash because "Catholics write letters and Muslims stab you with letter openers," adding that he would "love to bomb them back to The Stone Age, but they're already there." [Fox News, The Five, 2/27/12] Fox News President Roger Ailes Will Only Donate To Muslim Charities "If They Disarm." Roger Ailes was quoted by author Zev Chafets in his 2013 biography Roger Ailes: Off Camera, as saying he would only support Muslim charities "if they disarm." [Roger Ailes: Off Camera, 3/18/13] Former Fox Host Glenn Beck Compared Islam To The Antichrist. On the February 17, 2011 edition of his Fox News show, The Glenn Beck Show, Beck tied Islam to the Antichrist described in the New Testament and hosted author and self-proclaimed end-times expert Joel Richardson, who has stated that "Islam is indeed the primary vehicle that will be used by Satan to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible about the future political/religious/military system of the Antichrist that will overwhelm the entire world just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ." [Fox News, The Glenn Beck Show, 02/17/11] Fox's Sean Hannity Likened Use Of Quran In Congressional Swearing-In Ceremony To Using Mein Kampf. On the November 30, 2006 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity likened Rep. Keith Ellison's (D-MN) intention to use a copy of the Quran during his congressional swearing-in ceremony to the use of the "Nazi-bible," Mein Kampf. [Fox News, Hannity & Colmes, 12/1/06] Fox Contributor Newt Gingrich: Islamic Center Near Ground Zero Is Like "Nazis" Putting A "Sign Next To The Holocaust Museum." On the August 16, 2010, edition of Fox & Friends, Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich said "Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington. We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor. There's no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 8/16/10] Pat Robertson: Islam "At Its Core, Teaches Violence." On the July 14, 2005 edition of the Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club, host Pat Robertson claimed that Islam instructs its followers to commit acts of terrorism saying "it's Muslim extremists and, ladies and gentlemen, Islam, at least at its core, teaches violence. It's there in the Quran in clear, bold statements." [Christian Broadcasting Network, The 700 Club, 7/18/05] Franklin Graham: "True Islam" Impossible To Practice In U.S. Because "You Cannot Beat Your Wife [Or] Do Honor Killing." On the August 19, 2010, edition of CNN's John King USA, Franklin Graham claimed that "true Islam" could not be practiced in the United States because "you cannot beat your wife, you cannot do honor killing." [CNN, John King USA, 8/19/10] Fox Contributor Cal Thomas: "Islamism Is A Virus. It Is Penetrating Every Area Of Society." On the August 14, 2013 edition of FoxNews.com's DEFCON 3, network contributor Cal Thomas warned that although Muslims "seem very peaceful," the Quran requires them "to lie to infidels like the rest of us," and said that "Islamism is a virus," that "is penetrating every area of society." [FoxNews.com, DEFCON 3, 8/14/13] Fox Contributor Bo Dietl: We Must Profile "Guys That Look Like Aba Daba Doo And Aba Daba Dah." On the August 7, 2007, edition of Fox News' Your World, Fox contributor Bo Dietl advocated for racial profiling saying "We know there's a war by fundamentalists and terrorists to kill us. So we have to be able to profile. And I'm sorry, if I see two guys that look like Aba Daba Doo and Aba Daba Dah, I'm gonna pull 'em over, and I wanna find out what you're doing." [Fox News, Your World, 8/7/07] Fox's Tom McInerney: "If You Are An 18- To 28-Year-Old Muslim Man, Then You Should Be Strip-Searched." On the January 2, 2010, edition of America's News HQ, Fox News contributor Tom McInerney said that "we have to use profiling. And I mean be very serious and harsh about the profiling. If you are an 18- to 28-year-old Muslim man, then you should be strip-searched," adding that "if we don't do that, there's a very high probability we're going to lose an airliner." [Mediaite, 01/03/10]

Politesub53 -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 5:12:37 PM)
FFS Lucy, just because they all have that view, you just cant go about blaming fox news. [8D]

Lucylastic -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 5:59:03 PM)
Lovely piece by the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/world/europe/murdoch-and-fox-news-mocked-on-twitter-for-claims-about-muslims.html?src=twr&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=1 worth reading for some of the comments captured Start of article This cannot have been an enjoyable weekend for anyone at 21st Century Fox responsible for cultivating the image of either Rupert Murdoch or his Fox News Channel. After Mr. Murdoch posted a message on Twitter late Friday in which he seemed to assign collective blame for the deadly attacks on a satirical newspaper and a kosher market in Paris to all followers of Islam, the social network lit up with criticism and mockery. Then, before that wave of digital outrage had even begun to crest, Steve Emerson, a self-described expert on Islamist terrorism, appeared on Fox News to make the startling and false claim that some parts of Europe — including areas of France, London and the entire English city of Birmingham — “are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in.” Continue reading the main story

CreativeDominant -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 6:01:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Noooooo!!! It can't be...a Democrat portraying himself as an expert when he's not??? I dont recall saying he wasnt a Democrat, I wasnt really interested. The point was, is and will always be, Fox news fucked up again. No doubt this bullshit is already being spewed on right wing web sites across the US. I'm sure you found the BBC screw-ups I brought forth just as amusing then. Oh indeed. Your link re the BBC getting the facts wrong about a painting is on a par with suggesting a country has no go areas. One fact is glaringly clear though, you are all okay with Foxnews misreporting, because it dovetails with your "Rightest" ideology. Really? Because you'll need to find the post where I said that I was o.k. with FOX or any station misreporting the news. I know it's hard to get in your head but just like those on the left, not all those on the right are the same. I take what I hear on any station...PBS, FOX, CBS, MSN, NBC, etc....with a grain of salt. That's why it's always easy to come up with other stations' gaffes.

CreativeDominant -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 6:26:34 PM)
Nice grabs, Lucy. But perhaps there's a reason we haven't heard much from liberal commentators ( and those people you quotedquoted are commentators...people paid not to report the news but comment on it). Bill Maher Blasts Liberal ‘Pussy Nation’ For Fear Of Insulting Islam ...liberal commentator Bill Maher slammed politically-correct liberals for not truly standing up for free speech in the aftermath of the attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices. Maher referred to the aforementioned liberals as a “pussy nation,” adding that they must stand up for their principles. The liberal talk show host also continued his assault on the actions of radical Islam, going out of his way to call the attackers “Muslim terrorists,” while saying that while many Muslims would not carry out such a vile act, “hundreds of millions of them support an attack like this.” “This was really big shit,” Maher said. “And we have to not avoid who did this.” “I’m the liberal in this debate. I’m for free speech,” Maher continued. “To be a liberal, you have to stand up for liberal principles. It’s not my fault that the part of the world that is most against liberal principles is the Muslim part of the world.” “Pussy nation,” Maher said regarding liberals who won’t stand up for free speech. Those are just a few of the highlights. Read the rest and watch the video here: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/bill-maher-blasts-liberal-py-nation-for-fear-of-insulting-islam-video/

Sanity -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 6:35:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tabloid news Politesub... I wonder where and who we learned it from? Butch So you are okay with Foxnews outright lying over such a sensetive issue then Butch ? So, one Democrat contributor has now become FOX News itself... Yeah, never mind the slur made against several European countries Sanity, just stay with your head jammed firmly up your arse. Since Fox decided to broadcast his interview, you are actually correct about something. now THATS what I call irony. Can I call you "sanity" since you insist on calling me "polite" bruv ? I need to know as I dont want to hurt your feelings. So... Your standards are, if anyone ever makes a mistake in any organization, the entire organization is totally fucked up? Does that not also apply to Islam, then? The Obama administration? Socialists in general? Or does that standard only apply to the one news organization that isnt all leftist propaganda all of the time, as the rest of them are.

Lucylastic -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 6:38:21 PM)
Bill maher (a comedian) is not a commentator. That he hates religion especially Islam is NOT a surprise or a secret, BUT he treats ALL religions with contempt, and has done for decades. Oh and liberals even tho he is one. Im guessing if he was paid to be a news contributor and not a comedian, he would have his own news station, and it would still be more honest than fox. Or rush or palin or anyone at fox news, or drudge ad nauseam. Oh and I have called him out several times on this board. As have many lefties.

Sanity -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 6:47:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant “Pussy nation,” Maher said regarding liberals who won’t stand up for free speech. He nailed that one Except theres obviously nothing liberal about them, theyre leftists

CreativeDominant -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 7:09:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Bill maher (a comedian) is not a commentator. That he hates religion especially Islam is NOT a surprise or a secret, BUT he treats ALL religions with contempt, and has done for decades. Oh and liberals even tho he is one. Im guessing if he was paid to be a news contributor and not a comedian, he would have his own news station, and it would still be more honest than fox. Or rush or palin or anyone at fox news, or drudge ad nauseam. Oh and I have called him out several times on this board. As have many lefties. Actually Lucy, the fact that he is a comedian doesn't change the fact that he is a commentator. His show does not revolve around his comedy, it revolves around his...and others...views on the news. Yes, his contempt for all religion is well known. But unlike a lot of those on the left, he doesn't seem to be afraid to be "Politically Incorrect" in speaking out about the Muslims.

kdsub -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 7:24:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tabloid news Politesub... I wonder where and who we learned it from? Butch So you are okay with Foxnews outright lying over such a sensetive issue then Butch ? Hell no... just saying Fox is just imitating your tabloids... and doing better than they ever did...Except... instead of royal scandal, which prince is fucking who, Fox changes the truth when needed to further right wing politics. Butch

Zonie63 -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/12/2015 9:55:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Nice grabs, Lucy. But perhaps there's a reason we haven't heard much from liberal commentators ( and those people you quotedquoted are commentators...people paid not to report the news but comment on it). Bill Maher Blasts Liberal ‘Pussy Nation’ For Fear Of Insulting Islam ...liberal commentator Bill Maher slammed politically-correct liberals for not truly standing up for free speech in the aftermath of the attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices. Maher referred to the aforementioned liberals as a “pussy nation,” adding that they must stand up for their principles. The liberal talk show host also continued his assault on the actions of radical Islam, going out of his way to call the attackers “Muslim terrorists,” while saying that while many Muslims would not carry out such a vile act, “hundreds of millions of them support an attack like this.” “This was really big shit,” Maher said. “And we have to not avoid who did this.” “I’m the liberal in this debate. I’m for free speech,” Maher continued. “To be a liberal, you have to stand up for liberal principles. It’s not my fault that the part of the world that is most against liberal principles is the Muslim part of the world.” “Pussy nation,” Maher said regarding liberals who won’t stand up for free speech. A few comments here. First off, by saying that free speech is a liberal principle that liberals should stand up for, Maher seems to be indirectly suggesting that free speech is not a conservative principle. There may be some truth to this, as liberals had to stand against various conservatives like Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, Nixon, et al. - along with the religious types who wanted to censor rock music, movies, keep certain books out of public libraries, and so on. So, the implication here is that if liberals don't stand up for free speech, no one else will. Second, to whom, exactly, should liberals stand up in support of free speech? We're talking about homicidal maniacs here - not the kind of people who would be very easily moved by protest or impassioned arguments in support of free speech. This is a matter for law enforcement and the national security authorities. There have been previous incidents where journalists have been killed because somebody didn't like what they wrote or said. While they're criminally heinous and tragic, we can still do our best to catch the criminals and bring them to justice. Just because some may not be frothing at the mouth and consumed with war fever over this, it doesn't mean that they're pussies. I think Maher is a bit over the top on that one. Third, not wanting to insult someone's religion or race is not exactly something new for liberals. I don't think they do so out of fear, but simple respect and politeness. Some might call it "political correctness" and think that liberals can go too far in that department, which is most likely true in some cases. But it's not due to fear. Fourth, as far as standing up for free speech and other liberal principles in other parts of the world, that's a matter of foreign policy, which has been a shared enterprise between liberals and conservatives. I actually agree with the idea that we should have a foreign policy based on solid liberal principles, including support of free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press - along with other such human rights and civil liberties. But that's not what our foreign policy has actually been in practice, so if Maher thinks that we're a "pussy nation" because we haven't stood up for liberal principles in other countries, then we've been a "pussy nation" for a lot longer than he thinks.

Lucylastic -> RE: It is no wonder the American right are so misinformed. (1/13/2015 2:57:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Bill maher (a comedian) is not a commentator. That he hates religion especially Islam is NOT a surprise or a secret, BUT he treats ALL religions with contempt, and has done for decades. Oh and liberals even tho he is one. Im guessing if he was paid to be a news contributor and not a comedian, he would have his own news station, and it would still be more honest than fox. Or rush or palin or anyone at fox news, or drudge ad nauseam. Oh and I have called him out several times on this board. As have many lefties. Actually Lucy, the fact that he is a comedian doesn't change the fact that he is a commentator. His show does not revolve around his comedy, it revolves around his...and others...views on the news. Yes, his contempt for all religion is well known. But unlike a lot of those on the left, he doesn't seem to be afraid to be "Politically Incorrect" in speaking out about the Muslims. It does change the fact that he is a comedian, AND NOT working at a "news" station/network and passing off bullshit as truth and fact. oh.... And being politically incorrect is his "raison d'etre" no matter the subject.

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