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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 12:31:17 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		...and we're off! Right on cue. Gun defenders rushing in...and technically, it's Hitler's invention. He even named it, the story goes:

the name was chosen personally by Adolf Hitler[8][9] for propaganda reasons and literally means "storm rifle" as in "to storm (i.e. "assault") an enemy position," as a new name for the Maschinenpistole 43,[nb 1] subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44 or StG 44. The StG 44 is generally considered the first selective fire military rifle that served to popularize the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles. The term assault rifle gradually became more common for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44.

The AK-47 came in the 1950s. But not to be outdone, the M16 arrived in 1963, specifically in response to facing AK-47s.

American style.

But if you prefer noting America's assault rifle lust comes from German and/or Russia, OK.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 12:41:11 PM   
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Well then they did it wrong--they were supposed to use stones.

Using assault rifles is American style.


Fast moving lead rocks (blessed by the prophet) will get you really stoned really fast



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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 12:45:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose that's in the Koran too.

Munitions pioneer Mohammed was and all.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 12:49:28 PM   
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I suppose that's in the Koran too.

Munitions pioneer Mohammed was and all.


News flash - Muslims use modern weapons

(That okay, we shouldnt expect you to know everything)

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 12:50:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		And yet, you insist they're mired in the 7th century.

You'll have to decide which at some point, if you want to pretend logic.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		allusions to muslims being "mired in the past" are primarily in reference to their social and political ideology, not their use (or lack thereof) of modern technology.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:03:06 PM   
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And yet, you insist they're mired in the 7th century.

You'll have to decide which at some point, if you want to pretend logic.


Their ideology is mired in the seventh century

Its the ideology, stupid

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:04:21 PM   
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allusions to muslims being "mired in the past" are primarily in reference to their social and political ideology, not their use (or lack thereof) of modern technology.


You will have to excuse moose. Every troll needs a bad straw man




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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:07:14 PM   
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allusions to muslims being "mired in the past" are primarily in reference to their social and political ideology, not their use (or lack thereof) of modern technology.

That's the point.

Ancient when it suits you....modern when it doesn't.

Doesn't cut it, for you or squirrel.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:11:33 PM   
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I do not think that I have ever advocated "spray and pray," which IS the Islamic culture's method of firearm use. Inshallah is not my method of accomplishing things either. Which is another issue with Islamic culture and their soldiers (which is actually the reason behind "spray and pray"."


Interestingly the science disagrees with you. According to people who have actually studied this phenomena, rather than simply rely on ultra-nationalist news outlets such as Fox and the rest, religion is a negative predictor of terrorism in individuals. Indeed over the past two decades the biggest terrorist group has been a secular organization with a great deal of atheists as members. The Tamil Tigers, inventors of the belt bomb.

However, as they've never targeted wealthy white people living in the USA or Europe most people have never heard of them.



And this has to do with military troop training and tactics how?

Or the topic?

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:27:41 PM   
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Good war advice. Or what to do when assaulted--which doesn't essentially differ from your own view to shoot blindly and sort it out later.

Anything on the topic?


I do not think that I have ever advocated "spray and pray," which IS the Islamic culture's method of firearm use. Inshallah is not my method of accomplishing things either. Which is another issue with Islamic culture and their soldiers (which is actually the reason behind "spray and pray"."

I have even commented about Boko Haram possibly trying to bring back Janissaries.

I have used that verse to advocate for bringing back crucifixion for jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever you want to call them.

I have also stated that I believe that a large amount of jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever will need to be killed before change is effected.

Shooting blindly? Not so much.

On topic? Islam's problem with blasphemy is the death written into its own scripture that ya'll want to ignore.

I have never seen you advocate anything remotely resembling spray and pray. I have however seen people interpret "I have to right to defend myself" as "I have the right to shoot anyone who doesn't look right" or some such, so you shouldn't be surprised.


Yes, but I argued that someone was not a complete moron for being in fear for her life BEFORE an assailant was upon her, as in only inches away. (Of course, having your pounded into a sidewalk does not constitute reason to be in fear for your life. . . so. . . who knows what they actually think would be needed.)

Which is apparently the SAME thing as a lack of intention in fire control in a combat or military training setting due to cultural factors.


PS. . . I wonder if they have considered that Joe Biden would have approved of the woman in question's shooting.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:33:01 PM   
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...and we're off! Right on cue. Gun defenders rushing in...


...and we're off! Whiny twat brings up guns, then pretends to act surprised when his trolling gets a response.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 1:34:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		You used to construct logical arguments back in the day. Didn't always agree, but respected your approach.

This spin around, you're all anger and bluster.

I hope whatever is wrong gets better for you.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:06:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		You mean turning around and hitting you with the same nonsense you just pulled on me? You brought up guns, and then acted surprised when someone chose to follow that up. You're making a situation that took place in France, with Russian made (or at least designed) weapons, and making it about America and gun control for some reason. Seriously, what does the US and our love of "assault rifles" have to do with a discussion about Islamic ideology?

And maybe I am more angry then normal. It seems like you can't have a discussion here without it devolving into mindless name-calling anymore. And some of that name-calling is vicious. We had a thread recently that got locked (and I suspect a poster banned) because someone disagreed with another poster's ideology and got outright obnoxious (and threatened violence) towards him. Feisty or not, this place is becoming down right nasty.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:10:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm. Yet you're the one who came out swinging.

The entire thread is bullshit, and everyone knows it.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:19:25 PM   
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"33:60 If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while.    Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter.
33:61 Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter. " [Etc]

Strange. So how do we account for all those billions of Muslims who live amongst Christians and others and, rather than slay them, and stuff, sort of get on with them, live and work with them, and that kind of thing?


That wasnt the premise of the OP, just another try at moving the goal posts

Perhaps worthy of a separate thread though


The term 'Islam' was in the OP and this refers to the beliefs of Muslims, which are about more than the Koran. This is because an 'ideology' always refers to the people who hold a body of ideas, as well as those ideas themselves. And you yourself have referred to 'the ideology'. Therefore such matters are relevant to the thread. Sorry.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:23:37 PM   
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Anyone feel like pulling up Leviticus 24:16 ?
See what the Bible decrees in the event of blasphemy ?


Good point... No religion, nor any other form of superstitious nonsense, deserves any respect.

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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:23:52 PM   
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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:24:23 PM   
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And yet, you insist they're mired in the 7th century.

You'll have to decide which at some point, if you want to pretend logic.


Their ideology is mired in the seventh century

Its the ideology, stupid



Ah, so if that's the case - to re-ask the question that you dodged earlier - how would you explain the billions of Muslims who live amongst Christians and others and, rather than slay them, and stuff, sort of get on with them, live and work with them, and that kind of thing? Or would such people not, in fact, be 'Muslims' in your book, by definition?


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RE: Islam’s Problem With Blasphemy - 1/15/2015 2:32:45 PM   
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And yet, you insist they're mired in the 7th century.

You'll have to decide which at some point, if you want to pretend logic.


Their ideology is mired in the seventh century

Its the ideology, stupid



Ah, so if that's the case - to re-ask the question that you dodged earlier - how would you explain the billions of Muslims who live amongst Christians and others and, rather than slay them, and stuff, sort of get on with them, live and work with them, and that kind of thing? Or would such people not, in fact, be 'Muslims' in your book, by definition?



Would Syria be a good example of one of these places?

Or Paris?

Or Manhattan.

I could go on all day...

Whatever happened to the Buddhists in Afghanistan, who built the massive ancient relics that the Taliban destroyed?







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