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Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 3:13:56 PM)

bretbart??Pamela gellar?
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In Paris, Muslims firebombed a bus with fifty passengers inside,


Please show an actual NEWS report about that 50 people died in paris in a muslim firebomb, not some delusional rw opinion piece
Pamela gellar has about as much credibility as sarah palin...





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 3:30:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Right out of Breitbart. The toilet has flushed and that turd has left the station.

Prima Facie Nazi propaganda and no truth. Pamela Geller is not allowed in the UK, so right there, its hatemongering and demonstrable lack of actual facts.


except for that you will see she references sources, quotes people who live there and if you go to the page, she links videos."

Ok.... let's fly with your post -


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
from the ny times no less 12 years ago

So it's old news - very old news!!

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
"The political class does not seem to grasp that Le Pen's success is a wake-up call, a sign that the country is failing to deal with its burgeoning problems of race and violence.

But not specifically Islamics.
There are always problems with race and violence in just about every country on the planet.
To spout that France has a worse problem is a bit myopic.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
It is as if the French imagine that race is a worry for other nations (the United States, in particular) but not for them. Yet Arab gangs regularly vandalize synagogues here,

Regularly??
There's been a couple in recent years since AQ invaded Malawi and the French military reclaimed it.
I certainly wouldn't say "regularly" - that's stretching it a bit.

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the North African suburbs have become no-go zones at night,

As they have been since WWII and exacerbated since Nelson Mandela was freed.

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and the French continue to shrug their shoulders.

Because it's not their problem to fix??

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"France increasingly has the edgy, polarized feeling of American cities in the '60s and '70s. Look into the eyes of Arab immigrants and you will often see a smoldering rage.

Really??
Only in the eyes of propaganda-smearing hate-mongering journalists.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
Riding the Paris Métro, you feel the tension as prosperous French people edge away from noisy gangs of teenagers.

As most sensible people would.
And that would be ANY gang of teenagers - it doesn't say Islamics.

And I have been on the Paris Metro. It's no worse than the London Underground.
Most people just go about their business.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
Talking to French friends, you hear tales of ethnic attacks in public schools. And yet the country officially pretends that it doesn't have a race problem."

Actually, in general terms, you have more of a race problem in the US than in France.


Sheeesh! Talk about scaremongering and racial stirring!!
What a load of bollocks.



PeonForHer -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 3:39:50 PM)

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The toilet has flushed and that turd has left the station.


Chortle. I'll have to remember that one. ;-)



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 3:43:32 PM)

don't know if this is the fire and bus in question or not...

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2012/08/france-muslims-hijack-and-set-fire-to.html




Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 3:46:46 PM)

no it is not
and that is not a "news" report



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 3:58:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

bretbart??Pamela gellar?
quote:

In Paris, Muslims firebombed a bus with fifty passengers inside,


Please show an actual NEWS report about that 50 people died in paris in a muslim firebomb, not some delusional rw opinion piece
Pamela gellar has about as much credibility as sarah palin...





I can see how you might think that from the language of the article, and I don't doubt for a moment the author could have been more clear but they way I am understanding it is, no one died--there were just passengers on a bus that the muslims stopped, and then they burned just the bus, not the passengers...



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:00:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
...In Paris, Muslims firebombed a bus with fifty passengers inside <snip>



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ORIGINAL: bounty44
don't know if this is the fire and bus in question or not...

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2012/08/france-muslims-hijack-and-set-fire-to.html


As LL said - it is not.
It is a blog, not a news item.
Besides which, it clearly states in that blog "...the "jeunes" stopped a 159 bus, ordered the driver and passengers to leave, spread flammable liquid over it then set it on fire."
So the original quote you spouted is just untrue.
The fire-bombed bus -
1) wasn't fire-bombed; it was set alight.
2) was an empty bus - it had no driver or passengers.

Just goes to show what purile RW crap you read, believe, and posit as a creditable citation.
Try reading something other than laughable right-wing propaganda.



Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:02:18 PM)

fifty passengers led off said bus before being "firebombed....is NOT the same as firebombed a bus with passengers inside...it is a lie, something gellar does well



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:16:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fifty passengers led off said bus before being "firebombed....is NOT the same as firebombed a bus with passengers inside...it is a lie, something gellar does well


I agree her language is bad...maybe it is a lie---however it doesn't make sense to lie about something that is so easily verified.

maybe an unfortunate thing about the way the conversations going now is, perhaps the overall point of muslim violence against france is being missed...




Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:18:46 PM)

Or how much is being made up



Musicmystery -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:19:22 PM)

France has a history of an uprising in Algiers.

Kind of like saying there's an African uprising in the US.



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:28:05 PM)

more...and that from a news source:

from many years ago, but perhaps still illustrative? note in particular the last sentence of what I copied:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15424638/ns/world_news-europe/t/rioting-youths-burn-hundreds-cars-france/

"Marauding youths torched hundreds of vehicles overnight and on Saturday in renewed violence coinciding with the first anniversary of riots that exposed a deep schism between poor North African immigrants and mainstream France.

A group of teenagers set one bus on fire Saturday in the southern French port city of Marseille, seriously wounding a passenger. Three others suffered from smoke inhalation, police said. Two other public buses and 277 vehicles around the country were burned overnight, police said.

Six police were injured and 47 people were arrested, ministry officials said. Still the Interior Ministry described the night as “relative calm,” noting that up to 100 cars are torched by youths in troubled neighborhoods on an average night.



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:34:42 PM)

this doesn't look made up to me (neither did that last post)

http://conservativepapers.com/news/2013/01/01/muslims-burn-about-1200-cars-on-new-years-eve-in-france/

Interior Minister Manuel Valls said Tuesday that 1,193 vehicles were burned overnight around the country. Clashes between police and offenders in the New Year’s Eve took place in the Muslim majority districts in the city of Strasbourg and Mulhouse. About seven police officers were attacked New Years eve night.

Around 1,200 cars were burned by rioting Muslims on the New Year’s Eve in France, where the mass burning cars in the national holidays are kind of tradition among Muslim residents of the disadvantaged suburbs of immigrants.

In recent years, the celebration of the New Year and the Bastille Day (July 14) in France is often marked by mass burning cars as well. On the night of January 1, 2010, there were 1,137 thousand cars burned on the night of January 1, 2009 – 1,147 thousand were burned.

In the summer of 2010, the Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux made the decision to stop the practice of counting the demonstrators, as they claimed it only encourages the Muslim youths to commit such crimes . The current Minister of the Interior said that “the French people should know the truth.”

The American media has mostly not reported on these incidents, and when they do rarely mention their background or religion.



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 4:46:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Right out of Breitbart. The toilet has flushed and that turd has left the station.

Prima Facie Nazi propaganda and no truth. Pamela Geller is not allowed in the UK, so right there, its hatemongering and demonstrable lack of actual facts.


except for that you will see she references sources, quotes people who live there and if you go to the page, she links videos."

Ok.... let's fly with your post -


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
from the ny times no less 12 years ago

So it's old news - very old news!!

agreed its old, but in my view that actually adds credence to the topic at hand--which is problematic areas of high muslim concentration. it was recognized even 12 yrs ago.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
"The political class does not seem to grasp that Le Pen's success is a wake-up call, a sign that the country is failing to deal with its burgeoning problems of race and violence.

But not specifically Islamics.
There are always problems with race and violence in just about every country on the planet.
To spout that France has a worse problem is a bit myopic.

every country does, I agree. its not a question of myopism---its okay, in this instance, who are the parties in the racial/religious tensions and what is their nature.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
It is as if the French imagine that race is a worry for other nations (the United States, in particular) but not for them. Yet Arab gangs regularly vandalize synagogues here,

Regularly??
There's been a couple in recent years since AQ invaded Malawi and the French military reclaimed it.
I certainly wouldn't say "regularly" - that's stretching it a bit.

I don't know what the author means by "regularly"---id have to do some reading. how much is enough though?



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ORIGINAL: bounty44
the North African suburbs have become no-go zones at night,

As they have been since WWII and exacerbated since Nelson Mandela was freed.

am not sure what you are saying there...


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
and the French continue to shrug their shoulders.

Because it's not their problem to fix??

I take that to mean the author is saying that too many of the French people are complacent about it.



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ORIGINAL: bounty44
"France increasingly has the edgy, polarized feeling of American cities in the '60s and '70s. Look into the eyes of Arab immigrants and you will often see a smoldering rage.

Really??
Only in the eyes of propaganda-smearing hate-mongering journalists.

that's an assumption you make without evidence really. you don't know the journalist and from an intellectual standpoint, you cannot simply dismiss a critique or observation by calling it "hate" or "fear mongering"

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
Riding the Paris Métro, you feel the tension as prosperous French people edge away from noisy gangs of teenagers.

As most sensible people would.
And that would be ANY gang of teenagers - it doesn't say Islamics.

And I have been on the Paris Metro. It's no worse than the London Underground.
Most people just go about their business.

the implication from the articles is that yes they are muslims.


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
Talking to French friends, you hear tales of ethnic attacks in public schools. And yet the country officially pretends that it doesn't have a race problem."

Actually, in general terms, you have more of a race problem in the US than in France.

we may---and like I am suggesting exists in france and the rest of Europe, there are places where citizens fear to go, and police and fire likewise. Detroit comes to mind, parts of NYC and Los Angeles. one difference here being, its not about race, but something more potentially more dangerous.

Sheeesh! Talk about scaremongering and racial stirring!!
What a load of bollocks.


I appreciate your thoughtful reply...i'll try to answer in kind, though I don't know how to reply in the same format you did but my answers are in their mingled with yours...



PeonForHer -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/26/2015 6:29:56 PM)

Thousands of people have just demonstrated in Dresden, Germany, against 'Islamization'. The PEGIDA protestors' leaders claim that they're not xenophobic and racist and that their focus is on radical Islamists. But this is belied by the very name of their movement, which is an acronym derived from the words 'Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West'.

Really, how much uglier could it get? Well, we already know the answer to that - the same country, Germany, has provided the historical example. God knows how frightened I'd be if I were some ordinary peaceable bloody Muslim living in Dresden, now.

This anti-Islam stuff has got too nasty, too quickly. I wish that we could ratchet it down. I'm not making a plea for 'politically correct' avoidance of the truth, just a plea a) to resist the propagandising with a bit of healthy cynicism and b) to have a bit of solid kindness towards people.



tweakabelle -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/27/2015 5:34:23 AM)

Speaking of media bias, most of us will recall being shocked at the vision of a Syrian civil war participant eating the flesh of a dead opponent last year. It made headlines across the world. Yet when similar events happen and Christians are the guilty ones, and Muslims the victims, they don't seem to be reported with such vigour.

Here for example are some pix and reporting of a Christian man allegedly engaged in cannibal acts with the corpses of dead Muslims during the conflict between the two communities in the Central African Republic (CAR). Apparently it is the second occasion on which this particular individual has behaved so disturbingly.

http://www.thedailystar.net/car-cannibal-eats-2nd-muslim-in-2-weeks-60856

I don't know about the situation in the rest of the world but this conflict is rarely reported here in the Australian media. There hasn't been a peep about a Christian cannibalising dead Muslims in the media here. I'm guessing it's much the same across the western world. But it does cause me to wonder just how much of the truth of the various conflicts we receive via the media and how omissions of reporting of events such as this could lend itself to fuelling inaccurate views of world events and especially Muslims. I dread to think what the reporting would be like had the victim been a Christian and the cannibal a Muslim. I suspect there's little doubt that in that situation the news would have been splashed all over our media.



bounty44 -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/27/2015 6:29:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

FR

Just found this video which is a bunch of highschoolers doing their own ethics audit of a fox news segment. They might be kids, but they're completely right when they take apart this news segment point by point. Not to mention, if you watch any other segment of fox news, they're likely breaking those exact same ethical guidelines as they are in this segment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=VzYymuslGDw

In conclusion: Fox news is a propaganda network, not a news network.


Actually...and I know it may make little difference to you, the college student at...I'd be willing to bet...a liberal college, but the piece they took apart is a part of The O'Reilly Factor. A COMMENTARY program...you know, much like the Rachel Maddow Show or Anderson Cooper 360. Those two aren't exactly known for adherence to "journalistic ethics".

As to O'Reillycs claim that Vermont is liberal, see if you can find anything in here that, at a national level politically, disputes that.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/fivethirtyeight/2012/10/01/new-vermont-is-liberal-but-old-vermont-is-still-there/



Spoken like a man who couldnt be arsed to view the video, hardly creative eh bruv ?

If you had watched it you would have know three things. Firstly, the kids refuted Fox by stating facts, secondlyit wasnt, as you claimed "The college student" it was several. And thirdly, you cant possibly know which party these students support.

It seems to me their video was way more gfrown up than your post defending Fox.

PS...... The good folk of Birmingham said hello, and even if you are a dumb arse, you too are welcome to visit. (Okay I made the last bit up)

Actually...I did watch the video. Where you got the idea I didn't, I don't know.

2nd, as I noted...O'Reilly isn't a news show...nor is Maddox, nor is Cooper...so he's not held to a journalistic code of ethics because he is NOT REPORTING the news, he's commenting on it. The students acted as if he was a reporter. He's not.

3rd, the college student I was referring to...since apparently you didn't read my post or, more likely, knee-jerk responded rather than carefully reading it, for if you had you'd have known this...wasTkman, not the students in the video. And you would know I didn't say ANYTHING about which political party the students in the video support.

Not very good comprehension, polite. And I'm not your "bruv". I've got one already and he's enough of an ass to deal with.


I don't watch o'reilly often, but I happened to last night and one of the emails he read at the end asked if he was going to address the students from Vermont's "study" and he said yes he would be...



mnottertail -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/27/2015 6:43:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The toilet has flushed and that turd has left the station.


Chortle. I'll have to remember that one. ;-)



No better than you did on the English slang test, you might as well learn Colonial, old boy.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/27/2015 6:57:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Actually...I did watch the video. Where you got the idea I didn't, I don't know.

2nd, as I noted...O'Reilly isn't a news show...nor is Maddox, nor is Cooper...so he's not held to a journalistic code of ethics because he is NOT REPORTING the news, he's commenting on it. The students acted as if he was a reporter. He's not.

3rd, the college student I was referring to...since apparently you didn't read my post or, more likely, knee-jerk responded rather than carefully reading it, for if you had you'd have known this...wasTkman, not the students in the video. And you would know I didn't say ANYTHING about which political party the students in the video support.

Not very good comprehension, polite. And I'm not your "bruv". I've got one already and he's enough of an ass to deal with.



It's interesting to note that, if we use the same standards as the PPLs, we should be able to slam anything said by those foul-mouthed twats on "The View" because it is now produced under the auspices of ABC News, instead of the Daytime Programming division.



Michael



Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News -- Textbook Case of Baseless Right Wing Hysteria (1/27/2015 7:04:33 AM)

foul mouth twats
LMFAO
another pot calling the kettle grimy arse



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