BamaD
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You may have forgotten but ok City was 20 years ago.
The Oklahoma City Bombing was on 4/19/95. It is currently 2/24/15. So it is not twenty years yet. Close, but not yet....
Go look up in the search on this forum. I've made a few references to the terrorist attack an 4/19/95 in threads over the years. I think I know when it was better that you do. In fact, I once asked you what the importance of the date was to America. You and *ALL* the other conservatives didn't have a clue.
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Conservatives were all for frying McViegh.
Not really. Some may have. But the vast majority were just stunned by events. That when I ask conservatives whom bash Muslims about 9/11/01 to apologize to me about 4/19/95, not one of them knows what the fuck I'm talking about. If 4/19/95 is not to important to conservatives, then why should 9/11/01 be important to Muslims living in another country on the other side of the planet? Is it that Muslims live closer to New York City in those countries, compared to conservatives in America with reference to Oklahoma City?
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McViegh was not attached to any movement.
McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer and Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for their handling of the Waco Siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered to be a tyrannical federal government. He was convicted of eleven federal offenses and sentenced to death. SOURCE
McVeigh and Nichols begin experimenting with explosives on James Nichols’s farm, meeting with members of the nascent Michigan Militia (see April 1994), and proposing to launch violent attacks on judges, lawyers, and police officers (see April 19, 1993 and After). McVeigh and Nichols find the militiamen too inactive for their taste. (Michigan Militia spokesmen will later claim that they ejected Nichols and his brother James from their group for their “hyperbolic language”; after the bombing, militia leader Norm Olson will say, “These people were told to leave because of that type of talk of destruction and harm and terrorism.”) Inspired by the novel The Turner Diaries (see 1978), McVeigh and Nichols form their own small “cell” (see February 1992), calling themselves the “Patriots.” [color]SOURCE
Its all right there, BLACK AND WHITE! He was with organizations and individuals whom for one reason or another, disliked the US Government enough to do something evil.
None of those militias were....well regulated...either!
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And Clinton was busy trying to play the reichtag card which kind of needed attention.
No he wasn't! Even if he was, that's for the people of the United States to determine, NOT, a pair of extreme conservatives 'taking the law into their own hands' and killing 300+ innocent people. That when the attack took place the vast majority of conservatives were looking at non-white people as the culprits. When it came out that not only where the ones that did it white; but also, part of the militia man movement, conservative, 'honest and law abiding' gun owners and living as US Citizens. Conservatives were shocked into silence.
Even the casual observer then could have watched and listen to the likes of FOX 'news' and listen to the conservative talk radio hosts hours and days before the day to understand....where...all that anger and hatred was coming from. Those media organizations knew how to push conservative buttons with total ease. They still do it today....
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Maybe you should make a rational argument.
I *DID* make a rational argument. I made...MANY...rational arguments. In the same post. All of them rational. All of them based on facts and evidence. All of them based on history and science.
You, can not effectively deal with any of them. Hence the 'knee-jerk' reaction of 'oh, your not using a rational argument'.
You dont have an argument here. The 'rational' thing here is to look at it, and agree. Acknowledge conservative's failures to deal with reality like adults instead of misbehaved children!
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When did I say this demonstration was a bad thing.
Your the one attacking me on the demonstration. Perhaps you could explain your thinking here...
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Wouldn't you be more impressed if they actually stood up to the terrorists rather than just saying the didn't like anti-Semitism or Islamaphobia?
Would't it be nice if conservatives stood up to the people that have been dragging this nation down, instead of FUCKING SUPPORTING THEM!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
What are the business interests of the Koch brothers? Why are so many people up in arms over them?
How about five US Supreme Court Justices that reinterpret an amendment so as to hand the Republican Party that placed them in those seats, a political victory? Even though the matter decided upon was a bad Constitutional decision? Because it supports your political viewpoints, it would be inconvenient to admit they are wrong.
Funny how not many conservatives had a problem with Sen. Ted Cruz successfully doing something Al Qaeda did not accomplish: partially shutting down the US Government. And that guy wanted to...FULLY...shut down the US Government.
An why is that, BamaD? Because he wanted an existing law removed off the books.
Lets put it in like terms. You have control over the Senate and I have control of the House (the opposites at the time this FUBAR went down). I demand the 2nd amendment is revoked before I sign off on the budget to keep the US Government in operation another year, otherwise the US Government is fully shut down, do you agree? And here, you have to agree with me. Otherwise, your full of shit! It was the wrong thing for Sen. Ted Cruz to do, yet, he was hailed a hero by conservatives for 'standing up to the mighty government'!
Then there is the 'Clown Care' of Republicans in the last two general elections. No doubt we'll have another such car for 2016. Your going to convince me, that pile of total losers, idiots, morons, and insane is the...BEST....conservatives can come up with for the White House?
How about holding people accused of one or more crimes in detention. During that detention, they are brutally assualted and degraded below human decency standards. They arent allowed a laywer, nor a fair trial, see the evidence against them, nor see family. So many parts of the Bill of Rights was violated by an administration conservatives put into power. And use all sorts of excuses for why it was 'OK" to do any of them.
When has 'The Ends Justify the Means'....EVER....been morally and/or constitutionality correct?
You go and study the material being presented to conservative minds in the 90s by conservative media. Compare it to today. Try to tell me its any different. The words and faces may be different, but the underlying message and tone are still the same!
I didn't attack anyone on the demonstration.
I didn't attack the demonstration.
Are you going to apologize over Oklahoma City, the overwhelming majority of liberals thought Arabs had done it.
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