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RE: Progressive Education - 7/30/2015 12:51:20 PM   
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When something appears unbelievable, a good rule of thumb is not to believe it.

It didn't appear unbelievable to me. But what I meant was, the guide is no longer at the link you posted. Or if it is, I need to make an appointment with a specialist.

K.


Ah, ok, thanks. I just checked, and you're right--it's been taken down since I posted.

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/30/2015 4:39:18 PM   
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I think you just (again) made my case for me.

Glad to see your mind still works in the sometimes wrong mannercit does.

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 3:08:49 AM   
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More on "The Guide":

By HOLLY RAMER, Associated Press

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — The president of the University of New Hampshire said Wednesday he is troubled and offended by many parts of a "bias-free language guide" posted on the school's website, particularly a suggestion that using the word "American" is problematic because it fails to recognize South America.

The guide, developed by students and staff in 2013, attracted little attention until this week, when it was featured (on) the conservative news site Campus Reform. Asked about it on Wednesday, university President Mark Huddleston said the guide is not campus policy. ( And , as noted earlier, neither I or anyone else said it was)

"While individuals on our campus have every right to express themselves, I want to make it absolutely clear that the views expressed in this guide are NOT the policy of the University of New Hampshire. I am troubled by many things in the language guide, especially the suggestion that the use of the term 'American' is misplaced or offensive," he said. "The only UNH policy on speech is that it is free and unfettered on our campuses. It is ironic that what was probably a well-meaning effort to be 'sensitive' proves offensive to many people, myself included."

The guide appears as a resource on a UNH website detailing the university's efforts to create an inclusive, diverse and equitable community. It says (it)is meant to serve as a "starting point" to encourage critical thinking about terms commonly used in conversation and writing.

One section warns against the terms "older people, elders, seniors, senior citizens." It suggests "people of advanced age" as preferable, though it notes that some have "reclaimed" the term "old people." Other preferred terms include "person of material wealth" instead of rich, "person who lacks advantages that others have" instead of poor and "people of size" to replace the word overweight.

In another suggestion unlikely to gain traction in New England, the guide suggests "y'all" as a better option than "guys" when referring to a group of people.

State Sen. Jeb Bradley, a Republican from Wolfeboro, said he was outraged by the guide and would remember it when lawmakers next consider how much money to provide to the university.

"Implying the word 'American' is not appropriate to use on campus is un-American to say the least," he said. "Will UNH next propose to change our Live Free or Die motto to Live Free but Upset No-One?"

A university spokeswoman said Huddleston was not aware of the guide until this week. (Amazing how unawre a university president can be)It was created by a "small group of community members," though a report submitted by the President's Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities last year describes it as a "4-commission effort." The college also has a commission on women, people of color and gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender issues. The leaders of the four groups did not immediately respond to requests for comment Wednesday. (I'll bet they weren't aware of The Guide either)

Spokeswoman Erika Mantz said it's not clear to whom the commissions are supposed to report. Those reporting lines are under review, she said. (Thats probably a good idea ..figuring out who commissions should report to)

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/07/29/university-president-offended-by-bias-free-language-guide

Also read:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddavenport/2015/07/30/proud-to-be-an-american-do-not-say-so-at-the-university-of-new-hampshire/

Other recommendations include not using the term "Arab," but rather "Western Asian" or "Northern African people," and not using the term "blind person," but rather "visually impaired."

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-new-hampshire-universitys-language-guide-launches-war-of-words-2015-7

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 4:04:25 AM   
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I think you just (again) made my case for me.

Glad to see your mind still works in the sometimes wrong mannercit does.


that piece of work was the author of the first very unpleasant experiences I had on the forums. he was gone for a while (banned I was hoping) and its disappointing to see he's back.

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 6:52:23 AM   
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It's unfortunate you feel factual reference is unpleasant. But I suppose there's no fixing that.

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 6:53:31 AM   
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I think you just (again) made my case for me.

Glad to see your mind still works in the sometimes wrong mannercit does.

You've been given the facts of the case, with support.

If you choose to ignore them, so be it.

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 1:13:28 PM   
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I think you just (again) made my case for me.

Glad to see your mind still works in the sometimes wrong mannercit does.

You've been given the facts of the case, with support.

If you choose to ignore them, so be it.

As have you...and the same holds true.

Seems the only fact you can see is "it's not policy". Oh...and it wasn't a problem til those (damn) conservatives found it.

You did see that it was created by "faculty and students", right? You did see that it was on the "official" university website UNTIL the hubbub, right?

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 2:29:31 PM   
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Well clearly, giving the university's reaction, it wasn't OK.

Incidentally, not clear whether "staff" means faculty (many professional positions work with students outside of faculty ranks--they often are even unionized separately...librarians and tutors, for example...varies college to college).

So then just what IS your position, now that you're dancing around your non-position? Have you chosen a topic, other than somehow this means poor conservatives are being maligned and there's some sort of undefined problem that you aren't saying is a problem except that they apparently shouldn't have done it?


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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 2:34:48 PM   
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Or not?

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 3:34:44 PM   
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Well clearly, giving the university's reaction, it wasn't OK.

Incidentally, not clear whether "staff" means faculty (many professional positions work with students outside of faculty ranks--they often are even unionized separately...librarians and tutors, for example...varies college to college).

So then just what IS your position, now that you're dancing around your non-position? Have you chosen a topic, other than somehow this means poor conservatives are being maligned and there's some sort of undefined problem that you aren't saying is a problem except that they apparently shouldn't have done it?


I made my position clear but perhaps you do need it spelled out.

I know this was not policy...

It WAS O.K. with the University for at least two years...until it wasn't...

It was the University who stated it was a 4 commission effort...it was put together by FACULTY and students, not staff...







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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 3:41:29 PM   
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So what's your quarrel exactly? If you knew it wasn't policy and all.

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 4:26:38 PM   
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So what's your quarrel exactly? If you knew it wasn't policy and all.

The same as it's been all along.

You have puerile bushings like this on the official university website but seemingly, no one in charge is aware of it or can definitively answer how it got there...who created it (other than the vague "faculty and students)...why it was up there for two Yeats or longer with no one saying a word until it was brought to light by a true minority group on campus.

Here's a question for you, since I've answered yours. Does the idea of this sort of guide for...and encouragement of its use by students and faculty... being on the University website bother you, even in terms of just how vacuous it is?

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RE: Progressive Education - 7/31/2015 4:49:27 PM   
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See, you were on good footing, and then your edit shows your true beef.

First, essentially you think the university needs a good webmaster in the sense of controlling content and message. Maybe not a bad idea, from a marketing standpoint, while perhaps not such a good idea if the university wants to allow individuals and groups to have their own web pages in an atmosphere of academic freedom.

Now, your question -- there's a LOT of vacuous bullshit on a college campus. And to a degree, that's fine--it's a place to learn to sort out that shit. The pc run amuk approach clearly dug deep to find any remotely possible objectionable labels...and in a readily offended society, that's going to be almost every noun potentially. Do I object to someone wasting time on this? No. What's the harm? It's an exercise. Is encouraging the university community to use their web tools a good idea? Why not? Is it a mistake for the university's branding to present pages readily confusing official and poster-responsible content? Probably. As they've just learned, perhaps.

But of all the myriad problems with higher education and its administration, this isn't even on the list of things I'd bother to be concerned about.

And it has nadda to do with the liberal vs conservative bullshit other than conservative news found it on a day they couldn't think up any real news.

* yawn *

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RE: Progressive Education - 8/1/2015 8:22:20 AM   
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And I see this exercise as a waste of time and dollars...the faculty involved used taxpayer-paid-time to produce something that even the University president found offensive.

I also understanunderstand the confusion and anger of one of the students, who said: It's not the policy of the school? Then why is it on your website as if it is policy? Where is the disclaimer that says it isn't your policy? It's one of those "It's not policy because it wouldn't pass as one right now but if it hangs around long enough, and people think it's the policy because they don't know otherwise, it will become the norm and then we can make it policy" situations.

As far as the problems in higher education, I'm pretty sure there'd be areas we'd agree on and more areas we'd disagree on. I see something like this...finally taken down by "the university's associate vice president for community, equity and diversity" Thursday after a meeting with Huddleston. (Seriously? They need someone in that position? Salary paid by...? Taxpayers? Talk about sensitivity)

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RE: Progressive Education - 8/1/2015 8:51:41 AM   
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And I see this exercise as a waste of time and dollars...the faculty involved used taxpayer-paid-time to produce something that even the University president found offensive.

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Regressive educators often produce offensive crap on taxpayer dollars.

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RE: Progressive Education - 8/1/2015 9:50:46 AM   
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And I see this exercise as a waste of time and dollars...the faculty involved used taxpayer-paid-time to produce something that even the University president found offensive.

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Regressive educators often produce offensive crap on taxpayer dollars.

"They do it too"!!!

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/20/2016 2:49:58 AM   
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a recent opportunity in the news to bring something somewhat nearer to my heart back into conversation:

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Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos made an appearance at Rutgers University, and his ideas and rhetoric so traumatized the delicate flowers who heard him that many of them attended a "group therapy" session afterward.

[from breitbart]:

"According to the paper [the Rutgers student newspaper], students and faculty members held a wound-licking gathering at a cultural center on campus, where students described “feeling scared, hurt, and discriminated against.”

"“A variety of different organizations and departments were present to listen, answer questions and show support” to the apparently weak and vulnerable students, who just a few days prior had disrupted Yiannopoulos’ event by smearing fake blood on their faces and chanting protest slogans.

"One student at the event told the Targum that they “broke down crying” after the event, while another reported that he felt “scared to walk around campus the next day.” According to the report, “many others” said they felt “unsafe” at the event and on campus afterwards.

"“It is upsetting that my mental health is not cared about by the University,” said one student at the event. “I do not know what else to do for us to be heard for us to be cared about. I deserve an apology, everyone in this room deserves an apology.”

"A number of organizations were at the event to offer support to the poor, traumatised students. These included Psychiatric Services, the Office for Violence Prevention and Victim Assistance, and the Rutgers University Police. However, as far as we know, none of the protesting students were institutionalized, arrested for vandalism, or for assaulting the peaceful attendees of Milo’s talk with red paint.

"Rutgers students are displaying clear-cut signs of the crybully phenomenon, whereby the regressive left feels victimized, traumatized and attacked even while they are viciously attacking others. In the case of Milo’s talk at Rutgers, there is no question that their behaviour encompassed vandalism at the very least. Yet the students still believe themselves to be victims — so much so that they set up therapy sessions and complain about their mental health.

"Little wonder that Yiannopoulos’ events are drawing such huge turnouts. The sane majority of students are sick of it."

Is this some kind of Onion parody?...

Our universities are creating adults who are wholly dependent on authority to shield them from alien ideas. This is exactly the opposite of what the college experience is supposed to be. Instead of graduating confident, clear thinking, tolerant adults capable of functioning in almost any work environment, the modern university is sending out into the world whiny, weak, intellectually vapid, intolerant fascists.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/02/this_is_what_happened_at_rutgers_u_after_a_conservative_spoke_on_campus.html

(oh no comrade vile critter parts, a blog!)

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/18/rutgers-students-hold-group-therapy-session-after-milo-yiannopoulos-visit/

(oh no, breitbart too!)

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/20/2016 3:02:53 AM   
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The Next Ann Coulter
Even the name of this man's speaking tour is inflammatory -- certainly a no-go during prime time -- and students are interrupting his appearances, accusing him of being sexist and promoting rape culture. Meet Milo Yiannopoulos.
February 19, 2016
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Josh Logue
In a packed auditorium Wednesday, several students at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities interrupted ultradivisive conservative writer and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos with blaring air horns. Outside, more student protesters held signs reading “End rape culture” and “Rape culture is not a myth.”
At another event several days earlier, students at Rutgers University smeared faux blood on their faces while Yiannopoulos spoke, shouting, “This man represents hatred.”
And those were the events Yiannopoulos (at right) made it to. A handful of universities in Britain have canceled appearances that are part of an ongoing speaking tour, which Yiannopoulos, who is gay and highly critical of “politically correct chaos” on college campuses, has dubbed the Dangerous Faggot Tour.
His website also lists a canceled event at Ohio State University, but a spokeswoman there said, “No one at Ohio State has knowledge of this event being scheduled here.”
Yiannopoulos himself says the number of university event cancellations is as high as 10 in the last 12 months, but he has agreed not to publicize some at the behest of student groups that were involved.
The Student Union at the University of Manchester in Britain cited “various comments lambasting rape survivors and trans people” and referred to Yiannopoulos as a “rape apologist” in announcing the cancellation. “We believe these views could incite hatred against both trans people and women who have experienced sexual violence. As we believe it is probable these views would be aired in this discussion should he be allowed to speak on campus, we have no choice but to ban him.”
Yiannopoulos is a British social media firebrand and tech writer for the far-right website Breitbart.com who may have angered so many on Twitter that the company revoked his verified status. He was once also removed from a protest march against rape culture, called a SlutWalk, which he attended while holding a sign that read, “Rape Culture and Harry Potter: Both Fantasy."
“Students aren't used to hearing alternative points of view,” Yiannopoulos wrote in an email to Inside Higher Ed. “That has been the case for a decade or more. It enrages them that not only do I make evidence-based arguments and consistently beat them on the rare occasion they show up, but I do so with style, sass and my trademark humility.”
“If you don't want to come to a Milo Yiannopoulos lecture, don't come. But you have no right to deny others the chance to,” he wrote. Aside from a “tiny minority” of “social justice warriors,” he continued, “pretty much everyone else agrees with at least some of what I'm saying, because they recognize that, for example, feminism hurts women as much as it hurts men and they are mystified that feminists are unwilling/incapable of defending their wacky positions.”
Among the articles he’s written for Breitbart is a piece entitled “Feminists and Progressives Attack College Football With More Dodgy Rape Statistics,” which is critical of a study that found reports of rape near big-team colleges increased on game days. The prevailing concern about campus rape, he writes, “isn’t about protecting women. It’s about man-hating. It’s a confected moral panic directed against young, male, mostly white American college students despite the fact that American college campuses are among the safest places for a woman to be, and despite the fact that rape rates have been dropping for 30 years.”
“It’s a campaign,” he writes, “aimed squarely at undermining masculinity -- the sort of healthy male athleticism and competition perfectly encapsulated by the great American tradition of college football. Don’t fall for it.”
In another article, running under the headline “Why Equality and Diversity Departments Should Only Hire Rich, Straight White Men,” Yiannopoulos argues that “all heads of diversity and indeed every employee of any diversity or equality department should be white men -- the more privileged the better. After all, only rich, well-educated, well-connected heterosexual white males have the required detachment and lack of emotional connection to the issues at hand to make the right calls.”
Is all of this serious? The answer seems to be mostly yes but a little bit no.
Yiannopoulos has indeed, for example, started a college scholarship fund exclusively for white men, but it started as a joke, “something that would wind up social justice warriors,” he told BuzzFeed News. “All of my very best ideas start as mischievous jokes because they will wind up the right people.”
It is very real now, however. The Yiannopoulos Privilege Grant has $125,000 in funds, collected from private donors, including Yiannopoulos himself, who contributed $25,000. Yiannopoulos said the money will be disbursed in $2,500 grants to "applicants that identify as white. We're not in the business of getting DNA tests."
“American college campuses have changed and demographics once considered disadvantaged are no longer held back by racial, homophobic or sexist bias,” explains the scholarship’s website. “Research now suggests that low-income Caucasian males are the most in need of help. Women's advantage in college graduation is evident at all socioeconomic levels and for most racial and ethnic groups.”
“He says things that are definitely inflammatory, but contain a kernel of truth,” said Deion Kathawa, a University of Michigan at Ann Arbor student who writes for and edits a right-leaning student publication and who spearheaded an effort to recreate on his campus the debate that was canceled at the University of Manchester. The go-to word among Kathawa’s friends, he said, was “provocateur.” (Yiannopoulos has characterized himself in a similar way, telling a Fusion reporter, “The only proper response to outrage culture is to be outrageous.”)
So far, Kathawa said, he and other students advertising the event have been met with some shouting, nasty looks and one student who said “they’d throw up” at the thought of Yiannopoulos coming to campus. “Just sort of general dislike that we’re doing it,” Kathawa said, but “nothing organized.”
Though he noted that may change as the event draws closer.
In advance of Yiannopoulos’s appearance at the University of Minnesota, students posted fliers calling him a “professional mansplainer” and announcing a formal protest outside the event against “misogynistic and transphobic hate speech on our campus.”
The student group that organized the protest said in a release, “By allowing for student service fees to be used to invite violent, misogynistic and transphobic hate speech onto our campus, the University of Minnesota is condoning this dangerous speech with its inaction in the interests of the student body.” The group, Students for a Democratic Society, said it “sees his violent speech against women and in defense of violent acts against them as hate speech, which has no place on our campus.”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/19/student-protests-and-university-cancellations-follow-milo-yiannopoulos-speaking-tour

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/22/2016 4:54:20 PM   
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"Brown students complain homework is interfering with their activism"

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Students are reportedly upset that the university wants them to keep up with their academics amid their protesting.

Student activists at Brown University are complaining of emotional stress and poor grades after months of protesting, and blame the school for insisting that they complete their coursework.

“There are people breaking down, dropping out of classes, and failing classes because of the activism work they are taking on,” an undergraduate student going by the pseudonym “David” told The Brown Daily Herald Thursday. “My grades dropped dramatically. My health completely changed. I lost weight. I’m on antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills right now. Counselors called me. I had deans calling me to make sure I was okay.”

Other students reported similar problems, describing maladies ranging from emotional distraction to panic attacks that they say caused them to skip assignments, miss class, and generally lose focus on keeping their grades up.


https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7308

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/23/2016 5:46:12 AM   
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"Brown students complain homework is interfering with their activism"

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Students are reportedly upset that the university wants them to keep up with their academics amid their protesting.

Student activists at Brown University are complaining of emotional stress and poor grades after months of protesting, and blame the school for insisting that they complete their coursework.

“There are people breaking down, dropping out of classes, and failing classes because of the activism work they are taking on,” an undergraduate student going by the pseudonym “David” told The Brown Daily Herald Thursday. “My grades dropped dramatically. My health completely changed. I lost weight. I’m on antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills right now. Counselors called me. I had deans calling me to make sure I was okay.”

Other students reported similar problems, describing maladies ranging from emotional distraction to panic attacks that they say caused them to skip assignments, miss class, and generally lose focus on keeping their grades up.


https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7308


Nice to see they have their priorities straight. Perhaps we should scrap the whole college system and just hand them a degree after they get out of high school.

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