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NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 3:51:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Actually, there is something to be said about this that just came to mind... Women ARE exploited sexually and stripped of basic human rights for their femaleness. NOT because they are viewed as inferior, but because if you want to conquer a people, conquer their heart and soul - the women who give birth and raise the next generation. Also, there is something to be said for physically abusing the core of a woman's sexuality that can strip the life, fight and joy out of her. Again, that helps make the whole conquering business that much easier, when you've just cowed 50% (or more) of the adult population of the conquered peoples, oh, and again, passing that on to the next generation, many of whom are now conqueror's bastards. So, in that light, it makes sense to exploit women sexually and damage their core, not because they are inferior, but because they are a threat, otherwise, and reason to fear. Oh no. There's no need for that. You just rape the men. This is what's happening in the Congo. An astonishingly high percentage of the men are being raped. Guess what happens then? The guy's shell-shocked and then his woman dumps him because she decides that if he can't protect himself, he can't protect her, so he's useless. Ironically, Western aid agencies have a presence there to help women who're victims of conflict rape. Nobody has a presence there to help the men. They just get turned away. Interesting. Looks like it can happen either way. Historically, though, it's been the women at the end of the pointy thing.

GotSteel -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 8:58:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes And you throwing random web links at me and ignoring the actual facts included in my individual responses to you means you are taking YOUR experiences (or prejudiced beliefs), and applying them to me, regardless of the words or points I am making. So nice to see yet another pot complaining about the kettle. Actually I was talking about how human intuition is hardwired to work in all of us, so if you're actually a space giraffe than I do apologize for applying the assumption that you're a human being to you.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 9:28:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Hypothetically for you, a blow job is not something your would do. You see it as bottoming. Therefore, if you gave a blow job, it would be coercive. For me, a blow job is something I love. I love the power it gives me over my lovers. I love blowjobs and would certainly love to give them. You are assuming again but it's OK. I choose not to. It is nothing that difficult to understand. I prefer tease and denial. I enjoy mind fucks. I suppose in my mind those are more fun because the expectation of sex is quite common in men. It is not difficult in its pursuit. What I see as coercive is the expectation of it or worse the demand for it simply because someone says pretty words to me. The last vanilla I dated kissed me and instinctively I ended up devouring his face. Shortly thereafter we skyped while he was out of the country and he belted out "I have this thing about you and here it is...you're a freak. I'm just gonna say it and there it is." Nice guy but I think he realized I am impossible in pursuit. I am fine doing my kegels and waiting to feel inspired to change. It hasn't happened. quote: Also, there is something to be said for physically abusing the core of a woman's sexuality that can strip the life, fight and joy out of her. Again, that helps make the whole conquering business that much easier, when you've just cowed 50% (or more) of the adult population of the conquered peoples, oh, and again, passing that on to the next generation, many of whom are now conqueror's bastards. So, in that light, it makes sense to exploit women sexually and damage their core, not because they are inferior, but because they are a threat, otherwise, and reason to fear. I agree with much of this. Domination is my sexuality. For me it is the equivalent of sex. I also believe by default women are the most vulnerable in this world. Statistics prove it.

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 10:08:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes And you throwing random web links at me and ignoring the actual facts included in my individual responses to you means you are taking YOUR experiences (or prejudiced beliefs), and applying them to me, regardless of the words or points I am making. So nice to see yet another pot complaining about the kettle. Actually I was talking about how human intuition is hardwired to work in all of us, so if you're actually a space giraffe than I do apologize for applying the assumption that you're a human being to you. Applying the assumption that EVERY human responds exactly the same way to stimuli is just as much stereotyping as any sort of racism and sexism you are complaining about. I have clearly explained where I differ from your points. For you to assume otherwise, despite my specific imparted knowledge of me, is your problem, not mine. And if you think that makes me a space giraffe, you have bigger issues in your life than sexism, methinks. quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Hypothetically for you, a blow job is not something your would do. You see it as bottoming. Therefore, if you gave a blow job, it would be coercive. For me, a blow job is something I love. I love the power it gives me over my lovers. I love blowjobs and would certainly love to give them. You are assuming again but it's OK. I was actually NOT assuming. I specifically put "hypothetically" in front, so that I would not ascribe to you anything. quote: I choose not to. It is nothing that difficult to understand. I prefer tease and denial. I enjoy mind fucks. I suppose in my mind those are more fun because the expectation of sex is quite common in men. It is not difficult in its pursuit. What I see as coercive is the expectation of it or worse the demand for it simply because someone says pretty words to me. How is it coercive? If you don't do it, then it's not coercive. If you do it for your own reasons, it's not coercive. If you don't like it, that's cool. If you think it's non-dominant, that's cool, too. You said you didn't understand. I tried to explain in a way I thought you would grok. My bad. My only other idea is that I do what I do because I find joy and power in it. I do not do things that I don't want to. I suspect you find power and joy in some of the same things and some very different things. In my world, that does not make you more or less dominant than me, or in and of yourself. Or me than you, or on my own. That's the best I've got. quote: quote: Also, there is something to be said for physically abusing the core of a woman's sexuality that can strip the life, fight and joy out of her. Again, that helps make the whole conquering business that much easier, when you've just cowed 50% (or more) of the adult population of the conquered peoples, oh, and again, passing that on to the next generation, many of whom are now conqueror's bastards. So, in that light, it makes sense to exploit women sexually and damage their core, not because they are inferior, but because they are a threat, otherwise, and reason to fear. I agree with much of this. Domination is my sexuality. For me it is the equivalent of sex. I also believe by default women are the most vulnerable in this world. Statistics prove it. Well, the Pudendal nerve system in women is physiologically integrated with so much of their brain, including creativity and power that damage there can cause the )often very fragile) sense of self to come tumbling down like a house of cards.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 11:44:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Hypothetically for you, a blow job is not something your would do. You see it as bottoming. Therefore, if you gave a blow job, it would be coercive. For me, a blow job is something I love. I love the power it gives me over my lovers. I love blowjobs and would certainly love to give them. You are assuming again but it's OK. I was actually NOT assuming. I specifically put "hypothetically" in front, so that I would not ascribe to you anything. I read it as highlighted above. quote: I choose not to. It is nothing that difficult to understand. I prefer tease and denial. I enjoy mind fucks. I suppose in my mind those are more fun because the expectation of sex is quite common in men. It is not difficult in its pursuit. What I see as coercive is the expectation of it or worse the demand for it simply because someone says pretty words to me. quote: How is it coercive? If you don't do it, then it's not coercive. If you do it for your own reasons, it's not coercive. If you don't like it, that's cool. If you think it's non-dominant, that's cool, too. You said you didn't understand. I tried to explain in a way I thought you would grok. My bad. My only other idea is that I do what I do because I find joy and power in it. I do not do things that I don't want to. I suspect you find power and joy in some of the same things and some very different things. In my world, that does not make you more or less dominant than me, or in and of yourself. Or me than you, or on my own. That's the best I've got. This was never a competition or me pointing fingers and calling anyone less Dominant than myself. I was simply pointing out why all the accusations that were going on made no sense to me. I have no idea how suddenly it turned into an assumption that I care whether or not you give a blowjob, to be frank. I merely stated that 9 times out of 10 there is coercion on the part of males to engage in sexual encounters of the vanilla kind with me and my mind finds more creative ways than typical sex to explore human sexuality. quote: Well, the Pudendal nerve system in women is physiologically integrated with so much of their brain, including creativity and power that damage there can cause the )often very fragile) sense of self to come tumbling down like a house of cards. This makes little to no sense to me. I am a highly disciplined nymphomaniac. That is part of the fun for me.

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 12:24:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Hypothetically for you, a blow job is not something your would do. You see it as bottoming. Therefore, if you gave a blow job, it would be coercive. For me, a blow job is something I love. I love the power it gives me over my lovers. I love blowjobs and would certainly love to give them. You are assuming again but it's OK. I was actually NOT assuming. I specifically put "hypothetically" in front, so that I would not ascribe to you anything. I read it as highlighted above. Yes. Hypothetically. Using a position that you could potentially imagine, but not actually have to actually be. hy·po·thet·i·cal (hī′pə-thĕt′ĭ-kəl) adj. also hy·po·thet·ic (-thĕt′ĭk) 1. Of, relating to, or based on a hypothesis: a hypothetical situation. 2. Conditional; contingent: the hypothetical meaning of a clause beginning with if. n. A hypothetical circumstance, condition, scenario, or situation: OK, let's consider this possibility then—just as a hypothetical. quote: quote: I choose not to. It is nothing that difficult to understand. I prefer tease and denial. I enjoy mind fucks. I suppose in my mind those are more fun because the expectation of sex is quite common in men. It is not difficult in its pursuit. What I see as coercive is the expectation of it or worse the demand for it simply because someone says pretty words to me. quote: How is it coercive? If you don't do it, then it's not coercive. If you do it for your own reasons, it's not coercive. If you don't like it, that's cool. If you think it's non-dominant, that's cool, too. You said you didn't understand. I tried to explain in a way I thought you would grok. My bad. My only other idea is that I do what I do because I find joy and power in it. I do not do things that I don't want to. I suspect you find power and joy in some of the same things and some very different things. In my world, that does not make you more or less dominant than me, or in and of yourself. Or me than you, or on my own. That's the best I've got. This was never a competition or me pointing fingers and calling anyone less Dominant than myself. I was simply pointing out why all the accusations that were going on made no sense to me. I have no idea how suddenly it turned into an assumption that I care whether or not you give a blowjob, to be frank. I merely stated that 9 times out of 10 there is coercion on the part of males to engage in sexual encounters of the vanilla kind with me and my mind finds more creative ways than typical sex to explore human sexuality. Um. You said you didn't understand. I was being helpful trying to explain it to you. I am not making it a competition. I have no need to compete with anyone. quote: quote: Well, the Pudendal nerve system in women is physiologically integrated with so much of their brain, including creativity and power that damage there can cause the (often very fragile) sense of self to come tumbling down like a house of cards. This makes little to no sense to me. I am a highly disciplined nymphomaniac. That is part of the fun for me. Your nymphomania has nothing to do with what you quoted from me. But congratulations on that.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 12:31:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Hypothetically for you, a blow job is not something your would do. You see it as bottoming. Therefore, if you gave a blow job, it would be coercive. For me, a blow job is something I love. I love the power it gives me over my lovers. I love blowjobs and would certainly love to give them. You are assuming again but it's OK. I was actually NOT assuming. I specifically put "hypothetically" in front, so that I would not ascribe to you anything. I read it as highlighted above. Yes. Hypothetically. Using a position that you could potentially imagine, but not actually have to actually be. hy·po·thet·i·cal (hī′pə-thĕt′ĭ-kəl) adj. also hy·po·thet·ic (-thĕt′ĭk) 1. Of, relating to, or based on a hypothesis: a hypothetical situation. 2. Conditional; contingent: the hypothetical meaning of a clause beginning with if. n. A hypothetical circumstance, condition, scenario, or situation: OK, let's consider this possibility then—just as a hypothetical. quote: quote: I choose not to. It is nothing that difficult to understand. I prefer tease and denial. I enjoy mind fucks. I suppose in my mind those are more fun because the expectation of sex is quite common in men. It is not difficult in its pursuit. What I see as coercive is the expectation of it or worse the demand for it simply because someone says pretty words to me. quote: How is it coercive? If you don't do it, then it's not coercive. If you do it for your own reasons, it's not coercive. If you don't like it, that's cool. If you think it's non-dominant, that's cool, too. You said you didn't understand. I tried to explain in a way I thought you would grok. My bad. My only other idea is that I do what I do because I find joy and power in it. I do not do things that I don't want to. I suspect you find power and joy in some of the same things and some very different things. In my world, that does not make you more or less dominant than me, or in and of yourself. Or me than you, or on my own. That's the best I've got. This was never a competition or me pointing fingers and calling anyone less Dominant than myself. I was simply pointing out why all the accusations that were going on made no sense to me. I have no idea how suddenly it turned into an assumption that I care whether or not you give a blowjob, to be frank. I merely stated that 9 times out of 10 there is coercion on the part of males to engage in sexual encounters of the vanilla kind with me and my mind finds more creative ways than typical sex to explore human sexuality. Um. You said you didn't understand. I was being helpful trying to explain it to you. I am not making it a competition. I have no need to compete with anyone. quote: quote: Well, the Pudendal nerve system in women is physiologically integrated with so much of their brain, including creativity and power that damage there can cause the (often very fragile) sense of self to come tumbling down like a house of cards. This makes little to no sense to me. I am a highly disciplined nymphomaniac. That is part of the fun for me. Your nymphomania has nothing to do with what you quoted from me. But congratulations on that. No you, congratulations, You win the internet.

Awareness -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 1:37:19 PM)
Ladies, ladies - there's no need to fight over me. You can all have a piece of the internets. [:D]

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 1:43:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Ladies, ladies - there's no need to fight over me. You can all have a piece of the internets. [:D] I am not the one fighting, and never have been. This doesn't come remotely close to eliciting a negative emotional response from me. I only care for fights I actually volunteer for.

Awareness -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:01:34 PM)
sigh I was just vainly going for a joke to defuse the tension - but if you insist. NookieNotes is basically talking about how rape impacts a woman's sense of self because violation has physiological effects as well as psychological effects. You basically responded that you don't understand this because you love sex - which is pretty much a clear indication you genuinely didn't understand what she was talking about. The question you need to ask yourself is why you feel the need to engage in self-promotion in a large proportion of your responses.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:09:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness sigh I was just vainly going for a joke to defuse the tension - but if you insist. NookieNotes is basically talking about how rape impacts a woman's sense of self because violation has physiological effects as well as psychological effects. You basically responded that you don't understand this because you love sex - which is pretty much a clear indication you genuinely didn't understand what she was talking about. The question you need to ask yourself is why you feel the need to engage in self-promotion in a large proportion of your responses. I was being candid about my confusion and thought it would lead to reason but never thought of it that way. Thanks for the perspective. I feel little to no need to self promote personally. As stated earlier I do not find men as much of a challenge and I doubt that this back and forth will change anything in this regard. If someone engages me directly I try to engage back as best I can. I kind of thought my "common sense" way of looking at things would transcribe but I suppose there are some forces more powerful than even that. And hmm...it was a well played joke. I suppose lethargy of this thread is setting in, LOL.

slvemike4u -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:10:45 PM)
Nail....meet hammer.

Awareness -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:20:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko I feel little to no need to self promote personally. That's weird. Because if you examine your own responses, there's a pretty consistent theme. It's blatantly obvious to me. quote: As stated earlier I do not find men as much of a challenge A) That's more an indictment of the men you interact with than an endorsement of you personally B) There's that self-promotion again. As an exercise, try going through your replies. You talk about yourself incessantly.

Awareness -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Nail....meet hammer. Oh dear boy, you really are out of your depth, aren't you. [:D]

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:23:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko I feel little to no need to self promote personally. That's weird. Because if you examine your own responses, there's a pretty consistent theme. It's blatantly obvious to me. quote: As stated earlier I do not find men as much of a challenge A) That's more an indictment of the men you interact with than an endorsement of you personally B) There's that self-promotion again. As an exercise, try going through your replies. You talk about yourself incessantly. I do talk about myself incessantly online because I am speaking about MY EXPERIENCE AS A DOMME. I have no one else's to follow. If it seems like self promotion so be it. Perhaps it means that where I excel others have failed in some way. Who knows. I haven't remotely begun to self promote. Quite seriously. Very little of my life is on these threads. I prefer to talk about the kink than my life. arched brow However if some person on the other side of the country in front of their laptop who has never remotely come close to engaging me offline tries to make accusations against me, I will respond. Because to be quite frank, that level of psychic ability is astounding. However you believe a lady should behave or even Kaliko behaves, I do not fit into that box, but I can assure you. I chose my life. ETA, by the way, this would be an exceedingly piss poor way to self promote if that was the goal, LOL. Very and horrificly inefficient.

shiftyw -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:27:01 PM)
I'm just here because [:)][:)]20 pages [:D][sm=cute.gif] it really made my day.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:46:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Nail....meet hammer. This sort of thing just makes me laugh personally. I love how amusing this all gets.

Awareness -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:49:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko I do talk about myself incessantly online because I am speaking about MY EXPERIENCE AS A DOMME. I have no one else's to follow. That's actually quite a valid reason, but it's a little more than that. There's a difference between relating past experience and attempting to convey a particular impression. Self-testimony is notoriously unreliable. It's kind of like writing a story. The author can't simply tell the audience that a particular character has specific traits. The author has to demonstrate that through the character's actions. quote: If it seems like self promotion so be it. Perhaps it means that where I excel others have failed in some way. Really? You're genuinely going to go with, "if it looks like self-promotion, it's because I'm awesome and other people aren't"? That's veering perilously close to self-parody. quote: However if some person on the other side of the country in front of their laptop Desktop honey, desktop. And it's the other side of the world. quote: who has never remotely come close to engaging me offline tries to make accusations against me, I will respond. Because to be quite frank, that level of psychic ability is astounding. I'm making observations. Your response tells me a few things. A) Your ego is engaged before anything else. B) You lack the self-awareness to examine your own behaviour in anything but the most positive light C) You take yourself way too seriously quote: However you believe a lady should behave or even Kaliko behaves, I do not fit into that box, but I can assure you. I chose my life. This has nothing to do with beliefs about how anyone should behave. You style yourself "Goddess", you take pains to mention your virtues - a lot, and you don't appear capable of acknowledging your shared humanity with the rest of us. You appear absolutely wedded to constantly reminding us how wonderful you are. Kaliko is flawed, I'm definitely flawed and everybody here is flawed. Including you. Your pets might have a need to believe you a perfect Goddess but anyone with a degree of maturity is inherently aware of their own flaws or is at least open the possibility they possess them. I point out your self-promotion and you tell me it's a failure of perception because other people aren't as awesome as you are. That's a level of hubris which even I can't contemplate without laughing at myself.

slvemike4u -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 2:53:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Nail....meet hammer. Oh dear boy, you really are out of your depth, aren't you. [:D] I don't think you took my post the way my post was intended to be took.....maybe I did it wrong.[:D]

DerangedUnit -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/27/2015 3:26:09 PM)
I think communicating online one only gets a flat view of someone's personality... the most apparent characteristics come out and push others to the background. I try for the frivolous, unimposing approach(if not a tad self absorbed... because I too think I'm awesome)... court jester is my default, who knows how well I succeed. If people are curious about anymore than that they have to look deeper. So in my humble(cough cough) opinion... how I think awareness tries to come across is as the "cold hard truth teller" and mako I think comes across as trying to bypass assumptions and tell people what she sees which can come across as defensive but it don't think it is, it's think she genuinely just wants to make it simpler for people to understand her . When people get an impression that doesn't match at all with who you see yourself as it's natural to try to simplify it for them, to "help them understand"... I take that into overdrive, in an 'in my view' blatantly ironic way because I long ago was tired of people telling me how cute I was... "you think this is cute! I'll show you cute!" But I think both of you try to get across the same thing you just have very different ways of going about it. Of course this it tests the Internet and you only get a very small glimpse of people so i could be very wrong, but that's what it looks like from one third person perspective :)

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