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bounty44 -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 3:50:13 PM)
the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... so mike, im surprised youre surprised that people on the right don't strictly hold to that. I am more or less with aylee.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 3:59:32 PM)
I have been a Labour Party/Socialist supporter most of my working life but I too am with aylee on this

PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 4:52:31 PM)
quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... A new one on me, too.

Kirata -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 5:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u >Not all beliefs are equal. I see no gain an trying to figure out ways in which they are. Really ? Is there a joke here I'm missing ? That's your default setting ? Well yes, there is a joke here. But I'm afraid it's on you. Because if all beliefs are equal, then ridiculing the belief that they aren't is hypocrisy. K.

Aylee -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 6:32:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... A new one on me, too. It goes along with cultural relativism.

Kirata -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 6:38:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... A new one on me, too. It goes along with cultural relativism. If there's anything that Peon can't be accused of, it's cultural relativism. [:D] K.

PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 6:57:12 PM)
quote: If there's anything that Peon can't be accused of, it's cultural relativism. K. Well, given enough sustained pressure from all of you concerned parties over there, put together, I might just one day become the cultural oppressor that you so dearly want and need to make your lives complete. Get that red coat ready, just in case. [;)]

PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 7:08:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... A new one on me, too. It goes along with cultural relativism. But it doesn't apply to beliefs that are seen to be the byproducts of oppressive views, obviously. If all lefties, including myself, were to accept that kind of cultural relativism, there'd be no more arguments on this forum.

slvemike4u -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 7:54:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... so mike, im surprised youre surprised that people on the right don't strictly hold to that. I am more or less with aylee. Of course you are....lol The idea that this is surprising is indeed funny

dcnovice -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 7:59:50 PM)
quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... I doubt there's anyone on Earth who truly holds that notion.

UnholyBear -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 8:03:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... I doubt there's anyone on Earth who truly holds that notion. More along the lines of everyone is equal but some are more equal then others.

slvemike4u -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 8:34:39 PM)
What I find troubling,what I found startling and asked in my second post in this particular exchange was...in essence...is that your default setting ? Because I START from a point where I am wanting to find common ground and a basis for respect,the way Aylee made it sound that's simply too much bother and not worth the effort. Now if I am missing something I'm all ears....if there is a way to walk back this particular cat,have at it.

Kirata -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 10:14:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer But it doesn't apply to beliefs that are seen to be the byproducts of oppressive views, obviously. Obvious to whom? Who gets to decide what views are oppressive? And on what basis? One fashionable criterion among today's social justice loons is "disparate impact." But they are insane. What would you suggest? K.

CreativeDominant -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/22/2015 11:10:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer But it doesn't apply to beliefs that are seen to be the byproducts of oppressive views, obviously. Obvious to whom? Who gets to decide what views are oppressive? And on what basis? One fashionable criterion among today's social justice loons is "disparate impact." But they are insane. What would you suggest? K. Exactly. There are views that some on the left hold that those on the right see as "obviously oppressive". There are views that some on the right hold that those on the left find "obviously oppressive".

PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/23/2015 2:28:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer But it doesn't apply to beliefs that are seen to be the byproducts of oppressive views, obviously. Obvious to whom? Who gets to decide what views are oppressive? And on what basis? One fashionable criterion among today's social justice loons is "disparate impact." But they are insane. What would you suggest? K. Obvious to any rightie who's ever argued with a lefty, I should have thought. We were talking about 'hallmarks of left wing thinking' - that's one of them. Whether you or anyone else disagrees with a given lefty's take on a given view is something else.

PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/23/2015 2:30:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: the notion of that "all beliefs are of equal value" is a sort of hallmark of the left... I doubt there's anyone on Earth who truly holds that notion. Yep. It's a fairy story. Or a 'monster story'.

Aylee -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/23/2015 7:18:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u What I find troubling,what I found startling and asked in my second post in this particular exchange was...in essence...is that your default setting ? Because I START from a point where I am wanting to find common ground and a basis for respect,the way Aylee made it sound that's simply too much bother and not worth the effort. Now if I am missing something I'm all ears....if there is a way to walk back this particular cat,have at it. If that is what you want to do with your time and energy, have fun. My original statement was: quote: What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life. I believe that there is right and wrong or some might say, good and evil. If you want to spend time with NAMBLA members looking for common ground and a basis for respect, enjoy your coffee together. College football players (or other humans) that hit their girlfriends and break face bones? Sure, you two may like the same professional baseball team! Woot. Folks who bully/pick on/make fun of the developmentally disabled? Please keep inviting them to your house. Freedom of association. Men that kick their dogs? Maybe you both prefer cats. ----------- I could continue with my this list, but I only have a few more minutes before I must go make lunches. In each of those examples, the person thinks their beliefs are correct. I don't. I think that they are bad. And I see no reason to spend time or energy looking for common ground or a reason to respect them. In fact, I want nothing to do with them, would not have them in my house. But you are free to do whatever you want with your time and energy. That is a personal choice thing.

thishereboi -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/23/2015 7:30:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u What I find troubling,what I found startling and asked in my second post in this particular exchange was...in essence...is that your default setting ? Because I START from a point where I am wanting to find common ground and a basis for respect,the way Aylee made it sound that's simply too much bother and not worth the effort. Now if I am missing something I'm all ears....if there is a way to walk back this particular cat,have at it. If that is what you want to do with your time and energy, have fun. My original statement was: quote: What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life. I believe that there is right and wrong or some might say, good and evil. If you want to spend time with NAMBLA members looking for common ground and a basis for respect, enjoy your coffee together. College football players (or other humans) that hit their girlfriends and break face bones? Sure, you two may like the same professional baseball team! Woot. Folks who bully/pick on/make fun of the developmentally disabled? Please keep inviting them to your house. Freedom of association. Men that kick their dogs? Maybe you both prefer cats. ----------- I could continue with my this list, but I only have a few more minutes before I must go make lunches. In each of those examples, the person thinks their beliefs are correct. I don't. I think that they are bad. And I see no reason to spend time or energy looking for common ground or a reason to respect them. In fact, I want nothing to do with them, would not have them in my house. But you are free to do whatever you want with your time and energy. That is a personal choice thing. well said, enjoy lunch [:)]

tweakabelle -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/23/2015 7:32:50 AM)
Aylee what it missing from your post is an acceptance that the law provides us with a socially agreed and acceptable list of activities that are acceptable. NAMBLA members promote pedophilia, a crime as well as being repugnant. Footballers (or any one else) who assault their partners are committing the crime of assault. Cruelty to animals is also a crime (at least it is here, I am uncertain whether it's a criminal offence in the US). It is appropriate that we respect the lawful views of others. They have their right to their views just as you and I have a right to ours. We aren't obliged to agree with them, we can even agitate against them publicly if we so wish, but we should respect others' rights to hold them as long as they are lawful. It makes for a harmonious society but perhaps social harmony isn't your thing.

dcnovice -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/23/2015 7:52:05 AM)
quote: Who gets to decide what views are oppressive? And on what basis? Aren't those the same questions cultural relativists ask?

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