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kkaliforniaa -> Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 12:51:23 AM)

Okay, I think this topic belongs here. While it may not be directly related to BDSM, it is a health topic.

I will begin with, "Oh my gawd!!". Do a search for "what causes HIV" and the results will say [and this is what Google chose as the correct answer]
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HIV infection is caused by the human immunodeficiency virus. You can get HIV from contact with infected blood, semen, or vaginal fluids. Most people get the virus by having unprotected sex with someone who has HIV. Another common way of getting it is by sharing drug needles with someone who is infected with HIV.

I'm sorry, but WRONG ANSWER. I mean sure, that explains how it is transmitted, but my question clearly asked what causes it. Does drinking tea cause HIV; does tearing up paper cause HIV; etc. Okay, those obviously don't, otherwise the numbers would be astronomical, but my point has been made. And this leads to the general topic,
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What causes any sexually transmitted disease?

I was going to say that we could eliminate ones that are related to bad hygiene, I was under the impression that pubic lice fell in that category, but if you go to the Mayo Clinic's website for public lice, it says under causes, "Pubic lice are most commonly transmitted during sexual activity. Although it's unusual, you may also acquire pubic lice from contaminated sheets, blankets, towels or clothes." So the impression that I'm getting is that everyone has the bacteria [like chlamydia], animal [like public lice], or unassigned [like HIV], for all of these diseases, and sex simply triggers it. Logically that sounds absurd, the number of people who were positive for something would be.. Astronomical. But, since it seems impossible to find the actual cause for anything.. For example
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There is a group of friends, five guys and five gals. They are all virgins [never having engaged in any sexual activity]. They make a pact to only have sex with people from this group [they can swap partners as often as they want]. Since all are virgins, they all keep to their word of only having sex with people from this group, and none had a sexually transmitted disease passed to them during birth, does this mean that there is 0% chance of any of them getting an STD?



shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 5:36:26 AM)

Well HIV is a virus. So it is caused by a reaction to that virus. I think a better question is "how did HIV start?"

Very few STDs just randomly show up in people- they have to be transmitted, they don't just manifest. I don't know of a single STI that is eliminated as easily as just showering more. If you think STI's are hygiene related- I think you are woefully uninformed. Anyone who is sexually active is at risk- not just "the dirty people".



Kittenluv954 -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 5:46:01 AM)

I wonder if that is where the stigma came from, shifty? Why people who have contracted something from a partner feel ashamed about it themselves, like they are somehow "dirty"... it would make sense by what you are saying here.



kkaliforniaa -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 6:19:35 AM)

As I mentioned earlier, I was under the impression that pubic lice [and any lice] was related to bad hygiene [I'm not saying showering will cure lice, but it will, in theory, lessen the chances of having lice]. I decided to look around some more and found this at the CDC website.
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In the United States, actual infestation with body lice tends to occur only in persons, such as homeless, transient persons, who do not have access to regular (at least weekly) bathing and changes of clean clothes, such as homeless, transient persons.
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/body/gen_info/faqs.html

I guess I read that wrong though. You must know more than the CDC since, according to you, showering doesn't have any affect on lice.



Kittenluv954 -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 6:36:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

As I mentioned earlier, I was under the impression that pubic lice [and any lice] was related to bad hygiene [I'm not saying showering will cure lice, but it will, in theory, lessen the chances of having lice]. I decided to look around some more and found this at the CDC website.
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In the United States, actual infestation with body lice tends to occur only in persons, such as homeless, transient persons, who do not have access to regular (at least weekly) bathing and changes of clean clothes, such as homeless, transient persons.
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/body/gen_info/faqs.html

I guess I read that wrong though. You must know more than the CDC since, according to you, showering doesn't have any affect on lice.


I'm pretty sure your reply was meant for someone else, since I never said anything of the sort.



kkaliforniaa -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 6:40:53 AM)

Sorry kittenluv, yes, the reply was meant for shifty. Sorry for the confusion.



satanscharmer -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 8:11:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Well HIV is a virus. So it is caused by a reaction to that virus. I think a better question is "how did HIV start?"

Very few STDs just randomly show up in people- they have to be transmitted, they don't just manifest. I don't know of a single STI that is eliminated as easily as just showering more. If you think STI's are hygiene related- I think you are woefully uninformed. Anyone who is sexually active is at risk- not just "the dirty people".


^THIS.

Lice does not care if a person's hair is dirty or clean. Both sides are theories that have never been proven. Lice is looking for a host, for blood, not a dirty home. Some people believe that lice prefer clean heads and hair - easier for them to attach their egg sacs and feed off a clean scalp - that's also unproven.

https://www.aad.org/dermatology-a-to-z/diseases-and-treatments/e---h/head-lice

My daughter received lice from a classmate six years ago. We caught it early on and I took (extreme) measures to rid her and our home of them. Never saw them again (knock on wood).

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a slight correlation between hygiene and reoccurrence of lice (or, really, inability to eradicate them).
Reason being, if a person is unwilling to (or cannot) take care of themselves then they may not be willing, or are unable, to take the measures to remove the lice. But this is just conjecture.

Same with STDs. They do not care if a person is clean or dirty. If a person is unwilling or unable to take the proper precautions of contracting one, their chances of becoming infected will go up.



shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 10:56:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

As I mentioned earlier, I was under the impression that pubic lice [and any lice] was related to bad hygiene [I'm not saying showering will cure lice, but it will, in theory, lessen the chances of having lice]. I decided to look around some more and found this at the CDC website.
quote:

In the United States, actual infestation with body lice tends to occur only in persons, such as homeless, transient persons, who do not have access to regular (at least weekly) bathing and changes of clean clothes, such as homeless, transient persons.
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/body/gen_info/faqs.html

I guess I read that wrong though. You must know more than the CDC since, according to you, showering doesn't have any affect on lice.


a) you specifically said pubic lice- to think showering will reduce your risk of getting it from a partner is silly- you can still contract them.
b) perhaps the reason the homeless have live more often is also a lack of available medication, the fact they have to share, find, and live in an environment that allows for more frequent transmission of lice, by default. When you throw out a bedsheet because of lice- you put it in the garbage- a homeless person picks it up because survival is more important than contracting lice- they end up with lice.

Either way- you're looking for how a Diasease starts- "ground zero" if you will.

So word your googling questions differently....
To answer the HIV question in your OP- I dont think so- but viruses and bacteria would eventually evolve- and someone has to be "ground zero"- if you word your question differently- you will get better answers



shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 11:01:13 AM)

And I did the work for you: http://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0

HIV isn't a cancer, what "causes" it IS transmission- where it originated is what you're looking for.



UnholyBear -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 11:02:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Well HIV is a virus. So it is caused by a reaction to that virus. I think a better question is "how did HIV start?"

Very few STDs just randomly show up in people- they have to be transmitted, they don't just manifest. I don't know of a single STI that is eliminated as easily as just showering more. If you think STI's are hygiene related- I think you are woefully uninformed. Anyone who is sexually active is at risk- not just "the dirty people".


From what I have searched, many viruses, bacterias etc have the ability cross infect across different species and usually this means from animal to human and vice versa. Here is an article I found that is dated 2001:

HIV-Related Viruses Still Cross Species

From CDC National Prevention Information Network

February 21, 2001
Most researchers concur that the simian viruses that most closely resemble HIV started with chimpanzees and sooty mangabeys and was eventually contracted by humans. Variations of the simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) exist in other nonhuman primates and continue to infect the human population in Africa. In an effort to discern how prevalent the virus is among wild nonhuman primates, researchers performed blood tests on 17 different species of 384 baboons and monkeys from Cameroon and found that 18 percent of the animals possess SIV antibodies that bind strongly to HIV antibodies. According to Eric Delaporte of the University of Alabama in Birmingham, another 14 percent of the animals had antibodies that bind less strongly to HIV, and several of the SIV subtypes identified had not been seen before. The findings were presented recently at the Eighth Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Chicago.


Syphilis, is another virus that is known to cross infect species, usually between sheep and human contact. Most medical researchers do agree that the patient zero for the HIV virus probably contacted HIV from ingesting the meat from monkeys or baboons that was an HIV carrier. Which would indicate that the person either traveled. lived or was a native of Africa. Granted in the medical community, there are many theories to how HIV started to infect humans. I found this website that offers up several theories that I found informative and have provided the link below.

http://www.avert.org/origin-hiv-aids.htm


In light of the mentality of some people here I need to add this disclaimer: I am NOT an expert in this area, I am offering opinion based on my decent knowledge of HIV/AIDS and based on 15 years of being an HIV volunteer educator.



shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 11:06:12 AM)

Please tack that disclaimer onto my responses as well



UnholyBear -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 1:50:50 PM)

Another fact I found while digging up info and it regards to lice. Whether it's in the scalp or pubic area, it is still the same parasite, just that pubic lice is to specify lice that is in the pubes whereas head lice is lice found on the scalp.

Same applies to the virus which causes cold sores. The virus that causes a cold sore around a person's mouth area is the same virus that causes herpes. Keep in mind that this virus has many different mutations and each strain specific name.



shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 2:59:48 PM)

I guess- these things really don't have "causes" beyond transmission...
I wouldn't say googles answer was wrong.

Nothing really "causes" the flu (going outside with wet hair in cold weather is just suspected to lower your immune system- if that) you just transmit it. Take more precautions against transmission- lower your risk.

Same as HIV.

Can we talk about how awesome Prep is? You know they have shots that can limit your risk of HIV transmission? Isn't that wonderful?



JVoV -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 3:21:11 PM)

There's also a genetic mutation that is apparently resistant to HIV, among other diseases.
http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news13



kkaliforniaa -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 3:42:01 PM)

So. Back to the other part of the question,

quote:

There is a group of friends, five guys and five gals. They are all virgins [never having engaged in any sexual activity]. They make a pact to only have sex with people from this group [they can swap partners as often as they want]. Since all are virgins, they all keep to their word of only having sex with people from this group, and none had a sexually transmitted disease passed to them during birth, does this mean that there is 0% chance of any of them getting an STD? [Also, none receive blood transfusions, organ transplants, share towels with anyone else, etc]



DesFIP -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 3:49:31 PM)

No, because they could develop cold sores without sex, and that will then become a genital disease.
Not to mention that if your dentist isn't autoclaving his drill bits between patients, you can get diseases that way.

Saliva is harder to transmit through than blood but it isn't impossible.



shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 3:56:29 PM)

Well if they didn't catch HSV1 (through some miracle of nature let's assume they've never been kissed or exposed to it) though how would they develop that?

OP look up virus transmission- HIV, HPV and HSV are all viruses. This will help answer your question.



stardancer00 -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 4:00:04 PM)

It is possible for one of them to contract an STD, such as HIV or Hepatitis C, for instance, if one of them was exposed to the blood or bodily fluids of an infected person. That exposure does not necessarily have to come through sex. It might be that one of them works in a hospital, gets a needle stick with a dirty needle that was used on an HIV patient, for instance. Or, one of them could get into a fight and blood might be spilled from person to person.

The point is that our skin barrier can be broken, and the virus can potentially infect us in that way, too.

I used to work with people who were HIV+, some who had progressed to AIDS, and if there was any spillage of bodily fluid, such as nasal secretions or spit, we would have to clean it up with bleach and wear gloves to do that.

So the answer is yes, they can become infected in other ways.




shiftyw -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 4:17:25 PM)

Op are you asking how we can stop new viruses or viruses from forming, evolving or mutating? Because truely if you could answer that- I think you would be a lot richer..



kkaliforniaa -> RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3/25/2015 4:40:56 PM)

No. If you read my question, it was asking that if a person only had sex with people who have not been exposed to an STD, then will the chances of getting an STD be 0% [excluding bizarre happenstances like getting in a fight with someone at a bar who has HIV, blood is spilled.. ..]. And based on what everyone has said, the answer would be there is a 0% chance of getting an STD if you only have sex with people who do not have an STD [which includes any sort of lice or herpes]. So if that's the case, what's the point in using condoms to protect against something neither person has [yes, they can prevent pregnancy but that is a different subject]



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