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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:57:18 AM   
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No matter how you slice it...recording a phone call without a person's knowledge is illegal. He can be charged. And he should be.

That said...now let's see all those against defending your beliefs in your place of business line up to castigate her on this thread. Tell us how hateful she is.


Not quite. In most states; you can record your own telephone conversations legally. As long as one party to the conversation knows it is being recorded; it is legal most places.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#United_States

All-party consent states

Some states currently require that all parties consent to the recording: California,[18] Connecticut,[19] Florida[20] Hawaii (in general a one-party state, but requires two-party consent if the recording device is installed in a private place),[19] Illinois (debated, see next section), Maryland,[21] Massachusetts,[19] Montana[22] (requires notification only), New Hampshire,[23] Pennsylvania,[24] and Washington.[25] (However section 3 of the Washington law states that permission is given if any of the parties announces that they will be recording the call in a reasonable manner if the recording contains that announcement.)

One-party consent states

All other states (and the District of Columbia) not listed above require only that one party consent.

You...and a couple others are right. I should have said..."In Florida..."

Mea culpa.

THAT said...I'm still waiting for all those on this thread who have been against the Christian pizza owner for standing by his beliefs to sound off against this woman.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 12:03:13 PM   
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You...and a couple others are right. I should have said..."In Florida..."

Mea culpa.

THAT said...I'm still waiting for all those on this thread who have been against the Christian pizza owner for standing by his beliefs to sound off against this woman.



Don't hold your breath, brother!



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 12:28:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		So let me get your logic straight...Because this woman refused to make a sheet cake this makes discrimination and refusal of services to another human being, simply because they are different than you, OK... So two wrongs again make a right in your way of thinking. Just because this woman was an asshole you want the right to be one too.

I though pointing fingers with the " HE DOES IT TOO" was for children.

I just find it so hard to understand how anyone could believe God would condemn his own creation... and even if he did where does it say in the Bible that sinners are to be shunned... would that not be all of us? Should not sinners be embraced as fallible humans and forgiven? It is so hypocritical to ostracize someone for a sin when YOU are a sinners as well... where is your charity, humility, and compassion?

YOU ARE NOT GOD... YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE FOR HIM.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 12:44:01 PM   
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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 12:51:58 PM   
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I just find it so hard to understand how anyone could believe God would condemn his own creation...





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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 12:54:54 PM   
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THAT said...I'm still waiting for all those on this thread who have been against the Christian pizza owner for standing by his beliefs to sound off against this woman.

dont hold ya breath....
you dont get to dictate what I respond to EVER.....
baiting over it?
how pathetic

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 1:23:04 PM   
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THAT said...I'm still waiting for all those on this thread who have been against the Christian pizza owner for standing by his beliefs to sound off against this woman.

dont hold ya breath....
you dont get to dictate what I respond to EVER.....
baiting over it?
how pathetic


Hmmmm.......I didn't get dictating or baiting out of that post. What I read into it was the hypocrisy of the left.

Though I remember once that Darla said my dictate good

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 1:59:08 PM   
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Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice.

Fwiw, I didn't choose my orientation, and I've yet to meet a fellow LGBT person who has.

Do you remember when you chose to be heterosexual?

I am simply pointing out what science has not proven yet. Don't try to take me down for what the science...at THIS point in time...has not proven.

Because of that lack of scientific evidence, many religions view it as a choice. I'm not proclaiming them right. I'm not proclaiming them wrong. I'm stating that until there is scientific proof, these doctrines will likely remain unchanged.

Perhaps people interned in changing people's minds...or their own...ought to look at these studies and support more like them.

http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/are-straight-people-born-that-way/254592/

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2013/06/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic/


Even after scientific evidence they will, it's faith by definition means believing even if the evidene tell you otherwise.
In my opinion some of them believe anything that happens to them is a punishment or a reward from god, so if their son was born that way it would mean they did something wrong to piss god off, it would be their fault, if it's a choice than they are relieved ergo believing it's a choice it's the perfect psicological defence. Some others might be gay or bisexual, and for them thinking everybody has the same desires but repress it as many other urges is a way to not feel wrong, so for them not act as gay means not to be gay, and they actually choose heterosexuality because it's the right thing to do, who does not is for them captive of his inner deamons.

edit: by the way...

http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 1:59:14 PM   
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So let me get your logic straight...Because this woman refused to make a sheet cake this makes discrimination and refusal of services to another human being, simply because they are different than you, OK... So two wrongs again make a right in your way of thinking. Just because this woman was an asshole you want the right to be one too.

I though pointing fingers with the " HE DOES IT TOO" was for children.

I just find it so hard to understand how anyone could believe God would condemn his own creation... and even if he did where does it say in the Bible that sinners are to be shunned... would that not be all of us? Should not sinners be embraced as fallible humans and forgiven? It is so hypocritical to ostracize someone for a sin when YOU are a sinners as well... where is your charity, humility, and compassion?

YOU ARE NOT GOD... YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE FOR HIM.

Butch

It's your opinion that they are assholes. I feel that both were standing up for their beliefs.

I think the pastor is an asshole for deliberately, and in a deceptive manner, getting this woman to state her beliefs to make a point. And while it hasn't been mentioned, I think the cameraman/interviewer who went in to the pizzaria knew beforehand the answer the owner would give and went in there specifically to make a point.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 2:00:53 PM   
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I just find it so hard to understand how anyone could believe God would condemn his own creation...





Sort of like the left does with the right on these forums? And vice-versa?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 2:05:19 PM   
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THAT said...I'm still waiting for all those on this thread who have been against the Christian pizza owner for standing by his beliefs to sound off against this woman.

dont hold ya breath....
you dont get to dictate what I respond to EVER.....
baiting over it?
how pathetic


Hmmmm.......I didn't get dictating or baiting out of that post. What I read into it was the hypocrisy of the left.

Though I remember once that Darla said my dictate good


Theres a reason you didnt see it...remove head from ass...
If he is waiting to point out the hypocrisy of the left (unfounded bullshit by the way) he is just as bad as the "left."
Thank you for proving my point





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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 2:10:19 PM   
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THAT said...I'm still waiting for all those on this thread who have been against the Christian pizza owner for standing by his beliefs to sound off against this woman.

dont hold ya breath....
you dont get to dictate what I respond to EVER.....
baiting over it?
how pathetic
When you find the post where I am dictating you to respond...
1.
to say or read (something) aloud for another person to transcribe or for a machine to record:
to dictate some letters to a secretary.

2.
to prescribe or lay down authoritatively or peremptorily; command unconditionally:
to dictate peace terms to a conquered enemy.

Go ahead and post the number of that post.

As for baiting...hey, I just figure that if you're (generic 'you')going to stand against people's rights to stand up for their beliefs in business, then this woman is as deserving of your scorn as the Christian baker or Christian pizza-maker. Or is it true that only certain groups deserve that animosity?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 2:22:34 PM   
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If he is waiting to point out the hypocrisy of the left (unfounded bullshit by the way) he is just as bad as the "left." is what I said


sorry you dont like being accused of "dictating".
I dont like the perjorative of being called a libtard, or islamist, communist , satan, or feminazi cunt....actually theres a few of them, should I name them for you?
I promise they all come from posters here, I have links and everything, oh except for the cunt one, that would have been removed..
Nah...i wont...and wouldnt be such a bitch...and being moderated is not part of my plan today.

nah im heading for a afternoon snuggle.
enjoy yourself.


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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 3:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Despite what you want or think... you and I can not always stand up to our beliefs and get our way. They must pass the test of being within the law under the Constitution and match the beliefs of the majority. So for now your beliefs have been challenged and failed to pass the test above… thank heavens for sensible people.

Butch

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 3:43:33 PM   
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semantic bullshit as usual

If he is waiting to point out the hypocrisy of the left (unfounded bullshit by the way) he is just as bad as the "left." is what I said


sorry you dont like being accused of "dictating".
I dont like the perjorative of being called a libtard, or islamist, communist , satan, or feminazi cunt....actually theres a few of them, should I name them for you?
I promise they all come from posters here, I have links and everything, oh except for the cunt one, that would have been removed..
Nah...i wont...and wouldnt be such a bitch...and being moderated is not part of my plan today.

nah im heading for a afternoon snuggle.
enjoy yourself.

Not from me. You used the term, I didn't...and in a derogatory fashion. As for those terms, you've been called? You may well have been but until you find an instance where I personally have...what difference does it make when it comes to answering me?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 3:46:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		See, that's the thing Butch...the only belief of mine that's been challenged is the belief that people have a right to their beliefs. Including Christians. Including gays. Including the Kosher Jewish Deli owner.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 3:50:54 PM   
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See, that's the thing Butch...the only belief of mine that's been challenged is the belief that people have a right to their beliefs. Including Christians. Including gays. Including the Kosher Jewish Deli owner.

Agreed

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 3:57:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea... like that works in the real world...Not everyone can follow THEIR beliefs all the time... That is why we have laws. But these laws are not always CHRISTIAN laws that allow YOUR personal beliefs to deny mine. We will just have to see if this law stands up.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 4:50:01 PM   
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Nope, homophobia would imply I'm afraid of gay people.

Wrong. Homophobia would imply that you are afraid of yourself



Oh that is nice. Insult someone by suggesting that they are gay.

Did you NOT get the PSA that that sort of thing is VERY uncool?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 4:51:50 PM   
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Yea, I'll get to that link sometime in 2016.

As a member of The Society For The Perpetually Offended, do you ever have any fun or do ya just stand around drinking coffee all day ?
Ya know what they say don'tcha ? Burnt lips sink ships


Poor boy, upset because I pointed out your continued bullshit are we ?

You should really get a dictionary and look up "homophobia" rather than try and make yourself look clever with personal attacks.

Since the Stonewall link wasnt too your liking, and no big shock there, here is a link to the OED.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/homophobia

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