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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 11:20:25 AM   
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I would say that he was not "pro-homosexual"

Mathew seems to think he was.



Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2:
"One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favorite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Greco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about -- and deeply moved by -- their faith and love."

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 11:27:16 AM   
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I would say that he was not "pro-homosexual"

Mathew seems to think he was.

Yeah no, you can't get there from that.

More accurately, he was indifferent to it as a cause for neglect or mistreatment.

K.


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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 11:29:09 AM   
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Uh............yeah, don't know about that. Fore example, one of the perks of being a Senator in those days was having anywhere, anytime, anyplace, FELLATORS and FELLATRIXES at your beck and call.

They didnt have a homosexuality and hetrosexuality word, or concept, it was male and female. And although female homosexuality was less written about, there was no stigma to male male encounters.

They had as many names for their boibitches as men have nowadays for womens teats.

A man or boy who took the "receptive" role in sex was variously called cinaedus, pathicus, exoletus, concubinus (male concubine), spintria ("analist"), puer ("boy"), pullus ("chick"), pusio, delicatus (especially in the phrase puer delicatus, "exquisite" or "dainty boy"), mollis ("soft," used more generally as an aesthetic quality counter to aggressive masculinity), tener ("delicate"), debilis ("weak" or "disabled"), effeminatus, discinctus ("loose-belted"), and morbosus ("sick").


Where you really wanted eyes in the back of your anus was Greece.

Incidentally, it is unclear whether or not the Roman Legions took guns into their churches. they werent big on Jeebus being their savior either.


So..................when in Rome....


Here is the article and book I was thinking of:

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/22/the_invention_of_the_heterosexual/

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 11:32:56 AM   
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I would say that he was not "pro-homosexual"

Mathew seems to think he was.

Yeah no, you can't get there from that.

More accurately, he was indifferent to it as a cause for neglect or mistreatment.

K.




Not being "pro" is not the same as being "anti" in my comment. "Non-issue" would be closer to what I was meaning.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 11:34:41 AM   
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I am not mathew. I simply quoted mathew's statement which seems to me to be not anti homosexual.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 1:21:46 PM   
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Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2:
"One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favorite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Greco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about -- and deeply moved by -- their faith and love."

That's fascinating. Thanks!

The centurion's words are repeated each time Catholics celebrate Mass: “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 2:58:30 PM   
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You know what I find amusing as hell? When Jesus walked this planet, he befriended the shunned, the sinful and the wicked. The only folks he really ever got truly angry with were religious folks. Let that sink in a moment before your next post.

Yes. It we accept the Biblical account of Jesus's life as true, then it would follow from his words and actions that the very last people he would be judging and marginalising are the minority groups that those on the Religious Right take so much pleasure in lambasting and marginalising.

To put that another way, Jesus would be pro-equality for everyone and very much against the kind of vitriolic hate the Religious Right throws at whatever minority group is their object of hate de jour. I seem to remember some wise words about those without sin casting the first stone ........

Sadly the fact that the Religious Right is trashing its own religion in promoting hate hasn't stopped them in the past nor is it likely to do so today. But it does mean that whatever their real motivation is, it isn't a religious one.



you both conflate "loving people" with accepting, or even approving of their behavior, no matter what their behavior is. that renders the common Christian sentiment of "love the sinner, but hate the sin", of which jesus was a practitioner, meaningless.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:00:59 PM   
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And what did Jesus do with the whore? She wasnt stoned, she wasnt read the riot act. did he condone or accept her behavior? What are you conflating in your cornflakes?



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:31:00 PM   
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Have a problem with what the authors of the articles I cited have to say? Take it up with them.



Oh the fucking irony. How soon you forget your own posts on the matter.

And as I told you...if you'd bothered to listen instead of just thinking you know all there is to know about me or any other conservative white Christian male on the board...I read what the authors said, I cited the parts that were relevant or interesting...And I moved on, content in knowing that my gay friends and family members know me much better than you ever will.



Nothing you have posted shows you to be correct. You cited what you thought was relevant because it suited your purpose.

I noted Peon has explained the concept of general usage to you, you really should take note and stop digging yourself into a hole.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:38:18 PM   
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How many threads have we seen it on where those in disagreement with a gay issue were told theye were homophobic AND that they were afraid of gays and of their own sexuality?


I don't know. I can't recall seeing that come up frequently, but YMMV.


They make it up as they go along peon. You could probably count on one hand threads where anyone has questioned Republicans sexuality.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:39:31 PM   
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Have a problem with what the authors of the articles I cited have to say? Take it up with them.



Oh the fucking irony. How soon you forget your own posts on the matter.

And as I told you...if you'd bothered to listen instead of just thinking you know all there is to know about me or any other conservative white Christian male on the board...I read what the authors said, I cited the parts that were relevant or interesting...And I moved on, content in knowing that my gay friends and family members know me much better than you ever will.



Nothing you have posted shows you to be correct. You cited what you thought was relevant because it suited your purpose.

I noted Peon has explained the concept of general usage to you, you really should take note and stop digging yourself into a hole.

In your mind. Not too worried about that.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:39:47 PM   
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And what did Jesus do with the whore? She wasnt stoned, she wasnt read the riot act. did he condone or accept her behavior? What are you conflating in your cornflakes?




He condemned it. Go forth and sin no more. He wanted her to stop. BFD.


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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:42:00 PM   
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And what did Jesus do with the whore? She wasnt stoned, she wasnt read the riot act. did he condone or accept her behavior? What are you conflating in your cornflakes?





The record seems to indicate he fucked her on a regular bassis after he rescued her from the punks.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:45:42 PM   
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He condemned it. Go forth and sin no more. He wanted her to stop. BFD.

Hooking was not against the law. She was rolling her clients. Robbery was against the law. Jc did not seem to have any trouble bouncing with the bitch. They hooked up and some say they even got hitched. She even seemed to not mind too much his b/f ..john


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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 3:50:38 PM   
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In your mind. Not too worried about that.


I dont give a fuck what you are worried about. Read the following, try and understand it, then tell me who posted it.

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Q: Whenever there’s an insensitive, insulting, inhumane, or vulgar comment about homosexuals, the press describes it as homophobia. However, “homophobia” would seem to be the irrational fear of homosexuals, not the hatred of them.

A: It’s true that the noun “phobia” principally means an exaggerated or irrational fear. But when “-phobia” is a word element that’s part of another noun, it can also mean hatred of something, not just fear of it.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines “homophobia” in its usual contemporary sense as “fear or hatred of homosexuals and homosexuality.”

The adjective “homophobic” is defined by the OED as “pertaining to, characterized by, or exhibiting homophobia; hostile towards homosexuals.” And “homophobe” is “a homophobic person”—that is, someone hostile toward gay men or lesbians.


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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 4:22:32 PM   
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Find it funny that religion has absolutely no say in how government should operate or interact with the people. Yet people try time and again to force their religious viewpoints down other people's throats through government; all the while complaining when the same happens back at them. If one removes the religious bullshit from the equation, what is left logically?

If homosexuality is a choose, as those whom are in favor of this law in Indiana state; then so too is religion. If it is a 'lifestyle' it should be treated no differently from a religious 'lifestyle' on the legal books. Since religion is protected in both cases from discrimination by law; then its equally fair for homosexuality to...ALSO...be protected from discrimination by law. That would be logic.

If homosexuality is by nature, then it would be protected the same as one's age, skin color, disability, and sex. As each of these are physical concepts of the human body and are protected from discrimination under the law.

If homosexuality was a choose, why would anyone endure the pain and suffering of it at an early age, when many state that is when they 'knew' they were different? Why go through years if not decades of being imprisoned, beaten, flogged, financially penalized, and losing support from loved ones for this path under taken?

If homosexuality is by nature, that would mean there are many millions if not tens of millions of Americans that owe their fellow Americans a long list of apologizes. An many of those who would need to apologize are incapable of doing such an act; since it would require maturity.

If we are going to talk about how the Christian faith deals with homosexuality in its 'holy' history, should we not also look at.....*ALL*....the other religions? Going from 'the big three' on down to the individuals take on the universe whom doesn't express an attachment to any one other religious belief?

Is the United States of America a nation in which the majority dictates terms to all the minorities? If that was true, we should have removed the 1st amendment a long time ago....

logic really destroys the pseudo-Christian 'argument' on this subject. The law was passed to protect religious bigots who could openly discriminate against others without threat of reprisal. Funny if the opposite was true, these same pseudo-Christians would be crying of being discriminated based solely on their view of existence. But its 'OK" under this law to do the same to others and their existence. That is fundamentally wrong.

If all person's are created equally, and are equal under the law; then its fair that homosexuals are afforded the same rights, benefits, and limits as the christian, as the 45 year old, the woman, and the white person.


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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 4:29:10 PM   
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This is addressed to me for what reason?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 4:44:07 PM   
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In your mind. Not too worried about that.


I dont give a fuck what you are worried about. Read the following, try and understand it, then tell me who posted it.

quote:

Q: Whenever there’s an insensitive, insulting, inhumane, or vulgar comment about homosexuals, the press describes it as homophobia. However, “homophobia” would seem to be the irrational fear of homosexuals, not the hatred of them.

A: It’s true that the noun “phobia” principally means an exaggerated or irrational fear. But when “-phobia” is a word element that’s part of another noun, it can also mean hatred of something, not just fear of it.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines “homophobia” in its usual contemporary sense as “fear or hatred of homosexuals and homosexuality.”

The adjective “homophobic” is defined by the OED as “pertaining to, characterized by, or exhibiting homophobia; hostile towards homosexuals.” And “homophobe” is “a homophobic person”—that is, someone hostile toward gay men or lesbians.


As I said, I do understand it. Nice of you to leave out what preceded the above:

The AP is going to stop using the word 'homophobia'. Seems that they have finally figured out...just as they did with Islam...that a dislike or even hatred of CERTAIN tenets of being gay does NOT equate to an all-encompassing fear or even bigotry as the terms 'homophobia' or 'homophobe' suggest.

And this, which followed the above:

Critics have observed that homophobia is problematic for at least two reasons.

First, empirical research does not indicate that heterosexuals' antigay attitudes can reasonably be considered a phobia in the clinical sense. Indeed, the limited data available suggest that many heterosexuals who express hostility toward gay men and lesbians do not manifest the physiological reactions to homosexuality that are associated with other phobias (see Shields & Harriman, 1984).

You might want to try and read all of what I posted, instead of what just works for you.

I'll finish with this. It seems the head of the gay journalists association gets it:

NLGJA president: ‘The AP is probably correct’ to discourage use of ‘homophobia’

by Andrew Beaujon
Published Nov. 28, 2012 11:50 am
Updated Nov. 28, 2012 12:40 pm
AP Stylebook | The Baltimore Sun | Voice of America | Slate | Guardian
In an email to Poynter, National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association president Michael Triplett says the Associated Press’ decision to discourage the use of the term “homophobia” has “set off some interesting conversations among NLGJA members.”

The general sense is that the AP is probably correct in terms of the literalism of the word “homophobia” and that it really is not the best way to describe anti-gay actions or motives. On the other hand, it leaves writers without a term — like racism or sexism — that describes anti-gay sentiment.
“At this point, I am not sure whether NLGJA will change its stylebook or not given the AP’s recent pronouncement,” Triplett writes. The group’s current guidance on the word advises writers to “Restrict to germane usage, such as in quotations or opinions. Use ‘LGBT right opponents’ or a similar phrase instead of ‘homophobes’ when describing people who disagree with LGBT rights activism.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 5:41:39 PM   
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logically... logic... logic

There is nothing whatsoever logical about arguing that a behavior should be held to be acceptable simply because other lifestyle choices and natural predispositions are acceptable. Not all lifestyles and natural predispositions are analogous simply for the cause that they are lifestyles or predispositions. Watching someone go to such lengths to promote gay equality with bad arguments, a reasonable person might be forgiven for suspecting that the writer couldn't think of any good ones and is just posturing.

K.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/7/2015 5:47:17 PM   
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As I watch the "homophobia" volley, I can't help smiling and remembering how often I've been told that us queer folk are foolish for attaching too much importance to "just a word" (i.e., "marriage").

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