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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/5/2015 8:08:28 PM   
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It has now become a right-wing staple in the US to give Israel unconditional, unwavering support. This somehow dovetails with the need to both demonize a particular nation (IRAN) and the beliefs of the Christian Right. Oddly in the background is how IRAN is the only true fighting force on the ground capable of taking it to ISIS. Further in the background was how right wingers thought the IRAQ war would help improve the politics and stability of the Middle East. How did that turn out?


How did that turn out? Lets just ask Barack: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/14/remarks-president-and-first-lady-end-war-iraq

Or crazy uncle Joe...

Joe Biden:

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“I am very optimistic about Iraq. I think it’s gonna be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re gonna see 90,000 American troops come marchin’ home by the end of the summer. You’re gonna see a stable government in Iraq that is actually movin’ toward a representative government. I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months, three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed, how they have been deciding to use the political process, rather than guns, to settle their differences.”

Then Joe rode off on a unicorn down a road made of rainbows.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/12/watch-joe-biden-call-iraq-one-of-the-great-achievements-of-this-administration/




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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 4:21:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		So what were they supposed to do? Keep the troops there forever? By the time Obama pulled them out the public had generally agreed that it was time to bring the soldiers home. The damage caused by the Bush war in Iraq was done, and there was nothing short of military occupation that the U.S. could do to prevent a collapse like it has seen with ISIS.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 6:44:33 AM   
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Verifying Iran Nuclear Deal Not Possible, Experts Say
Past Iranian cheating to be codified by future accord

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action will not be effectively verifiable,” said Paula DeSutter, assistant secretary of state for verification, compliance, and implementation from 2002 to 2009... DeSutter, the former State Department arms verification official, said the transparency measures announced after talks in Lausanne, Switzerland, on Thursday at best could detect quantitative excesses at known locations, but not secret illegal activities, like those that Iran carried out on a large scale in violation of its obligations under the NPT...

Thomas Moore, former professional staff member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who specialized in arms control matters, also said Iran’s past cheating on the NPT makes verifying a new agreement nearly impossible. Iran, in its statement on the framework, also denied it would sign a new IAEA protocol. Tehran said of the protocol that it will be implemented on a “voluntary and temporary basis” for transparency and confidence-building...

David S. Sullivan, a former CIA arms verification specialist and also a former Senate Foreign Relations Committee arms expert, said confirming Iran’s compliance with new nuclear obligations will be difficult. “U.S. national technical means of verification is always difficult, fraught with the political process of monitoring, collecting, analyzing, and [achieving] consensus on usually ambiguous evidence of cheating that opponents are trying to hide,” Sullivan said.

“These difficulties are even greater for the UN’s IAEA, which is a multinational political agency.” Past cheating by Iran, confirmed as recently as July 2014 raised questions about why there are negotiations with Tehran, Sullivan said... By not requiring Iran to correct past violations of the NPT, the new agreement will in effect codify its current cheating. “The negotiations started as an attempt to stop Iran’s nuclear weapons program, but now they have legitimized it,” Sullivan said.

What could possibly go wrong?

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 6:53:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		i also like the part where iran is saying that what Obama is saying, isn't so.

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Lying liars who get lied to by lying liars who lie to lying liars.

Whelp. That didn’t take long:

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

Zarif bragged in an earlier press conference with reporters that the United States had tentatively agreed to let it continue the enrichment of uranium, the key component in a nuclear bomb, as well as key nuclear research.

Zarif additionally said Iran would have all sanctions lifted once a final deal is signed and that the country would not be forced to shut down any of its currently operating nuclear installations.

Following a subsequent press conference by Secretary of State John Kerry—and release of a administration fact sheet on Iranian concessions—Zarif lashed out on Twitter over what he dubbed lies.

Sorry our President lied to you, Zarif. But you get used to it.


http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2015/04/02/iran-says-obama-lying/

don't know exactly what the "lies" are...but another twist in the story.

ah--to the point:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Media+Note+-+April+2+2015+-+Lausanne.pdf

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 8:09:32 AM   
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So, what's the answer, then?

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 5:47:12 PM   
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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 10:10:53 PM   
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'It aint like they started a war.'

Yemen (etc) says otherwise


What does yemen etc say that is otherwise?

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/6/2015 10:21:09 PM   
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Those who would rise in opposition to a law that would limit thier access to a firearm seem all to ready to impose gun control on those they disagree with.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/7/2015 9:01:59 AM   
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Zarif bragged in an earlier press conference with reporters that the United States had tentatively agreed to let it continue the enrichment of uranium, the key component in a nuclear bomb, as well as key nuclear research.



As is detailed in the link you supplied, under the agreement Iran is allowed to continue with enrichment but that enrichment is capped at 3.67%, substantially below weapons grade:
"• Iran has agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. Iran will
go from having about 19,000 installed today to 6,104 installed under the deal, with only
5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years. All 6,104 centrifuges will be IR-1s, Iran’s
first-generation centrifuge.
• Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent for at least 15 years.
• Iran has agreed to reduce its current stockpile of about 10,000 kg of low-enriched
uranium (LEU) to 300 kg of 3.67 percent LEU for 15 years.
• All excess centrifuges and enrichment infrastructure will be placed in IAEA monitored
storage and will be used only as replacements for operating centrifuges and equipment.
• Iran has agreed to not build any new facilities for the purpose of enriching uranium for 15
years. "
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Media+Note+-+April+2+2015+-+Lausanne.pdf

Under the agreement Iran will be prohibited from researching or enriching uranium beyond the 3.67% limit, making it impossible for Iran to acquire, produce or process weapons grade uranium.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 8:16:45 AM   
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There was a good article in Foreign Affairs about Iran and Isreal and nuclear power:

Of course, it is easy to understand why Israel wants to remain the sole nuclear power in the region and why it is willing to use force to secure that status.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 8:29:20 AM   
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There was a good article in Foreign Affairs about Iran and Isreal and nuclear power:

Of course, it is easy to understand why Israel wants to remain the sole nuclear power in the region and why it is willing to use force to secure that status.


Anyone with half a brain should want to keep nuclear arms out of the reach of Islamists

Mad men with nukes screaming Allahu Akbar arent your friends

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 8:36:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I guess the right to keep and bear arms only applies to us. And we are keeping nukes out of their hands, no other administration has done so.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 8:44:37 AM   
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Well, I guess the right to keep and bear arms only applies to us. And we are keeping nukes out of their hands, no other administration has done so.


The Constitution was never meant to be a suicide pact, nor does it call for arming or allowing the arming of those chanting for our demise

And as has been pointed out many times in this thread already, the deal is at best one of questionable integrity

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 8:54:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It has not been pointed out with any credible fact or citation by those without any credibility, which are the ones doing the slobberings.

I agree that our constitution does not call for the arming of those chanting our demise, and St. Wrinklemeat did that twice durin his reign of imbecility and lawless goon and thugging.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 9:01:03 AM   
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It has not been pointed out with any credible fact or citation by those without any credibility, which are the ones doing the slobberings.

I agree that our constitution does not call for the arming of those chanting our demise, and St. Wrinklemeat did that twice durin his reign of imbecility and lawless goon and thugging.


'Slobberings' would be trying to equate giving rifles to those fighting for their lives from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with handing "death to America" chanting Ayatollahs nuclear tipped missiles

And the questions surrounding the agreement are credible enough

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 9:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well you are the only one slobbering such a thing.

Don't know how the questions surrounding the agreement can be credible enough, since we have not seen any questions that actually question something in the agreement, all we see is made-up apocolypses thru red herrings, hallucination, and non-sequiturs, delivered via strawmen regarding nothing to do with the agreement they haven't read or seen.

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 9:25:38 AM   
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It has not been pointed out with any credible fact or citation by those without any credibility, which are the ones doing the slobberings.

I agree that our constitution does not call for the arming of those chanting our demise, and St. Wrinklemeat did that twice durin his reign of imbecility and lawless goon and thugging.


'Slobberings' would be trying to equate giving rifles to those fighting for their lives from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with handing "death to America" chanting Ayatollahs nuclear tipped missiles

And the questions surrounding the agreement are credible enough

Okay,I'm going to need a link that asserts anyone,anyone at all,is handing Iran nuclear tipped missiles.
That would seem to be just plain silly.
As soon as you provide said link I'm humping onto your side Sanity,cause that's just wrong

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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 9:29:48 AM   
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It has not been pointed out with any credible fact or citation by those without any credibility, which are the ones doing the slobberings.

I agree that our constitution does not call for the arming of those chanting our demise, and St. Wrinklemeat did that twice durin his reign of imbecility and lawless goon and thugging.


'Slobberings' would be trying to equate giving rifles to those fighting for their lives from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with handing "death to America" chanting Ayatollahs nuclear tipped missiles

And the questions surrounding the agreement are credible enough

Okay,I'm going to need a link that asserts anyone,anyone at all,is handing Iran nuclear tipped missiles.
That would seem to be just plain silly.
As soon as you provide said link I'm humping onto your side Sanity,cause that's just wrong


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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 9:33:16 AM   
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Anyone with half a brain should want to keep nuclear arms out of the reach of Islamists

While you do make that abundantly clear, we are curious as to how you feel about those of us with a whole brain?


Mad men with nukes screaming Allahu Akbar arent your friends

Have you heard about "our friend" the islamic republic of pakistan? They are a member of the nuke club.


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RE: Deal reached with Iran - 4/8/2015 9:38:48 AM   
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The Constitution was never meant to be a suicide pact, nor does it call for arming or allowing the arming of those chanting for our demise

I am pretty sure there were some punks named raygun,poindexter and north who hooked ,those chanting for our demise,up with some pretty kewel war toys.

And as has been pointed out many times in this thread already, the deal is at best one of questionable integrity

Opinion has been pointed out not fact.

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