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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 6:33:50 AM   
Sanity


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It is pretty clear that putting him in with the general population of any prison will put him into danger of severe injury or even death.


By that way of thinking one should never put a klansman in with black inmates


Or black inmates in with klansmen

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:10:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not defending this guy but why the hell did the victim argue… then when the cop pulled the taser try to take it from him… then when the cop pulled his gun … run?

It seems that since Ferguson African Americans feel empowered and are more likely to resist arrest. I am all for standing up for your rights but it is never smart to try and take a police officers weapon.

I am only bringing this up because everyone on this thread seems to be forgetting there was reason to arrest this man… BUT… not to shoot him in the back when he was defenseless and not a threat.

Otherwise this was no angel and he contributed to his own death…WHY did he do it?

Butch

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:16:42 AM   
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In terms of years spent behind bars....yes.
Nothing above and beyond that,like putting him in general pop.
He's an ex-cop .


So? He should've cared about that before he shot that guy in the back. Cops are no different than anybody else. They don't get special consideration .. or at least they shouldn't.


Just because the cop violated the social contract does not mean that WE get to violate the social contract. If we had a Coventry or other banishment procedure, that would be fine. But we don't.

We are supposed to be a society of laws and one of our laws is that you do not place a prisoner in an inhumane situation. *sigh* This goes back to the Magna Carta. You do NOT get to deprive someone of their life unless by judgement of their peers.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:18:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		this country places great numbers of prisoners in inhumane situations daily. just sayin.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:41:37 AM   
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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:43:43 AM   
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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:43:49 AM   
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this country places great numbers of prisoners in inhumane situations daily. just sayin.


Not just prisoners... Have you ever been to Wyoming?

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 7:57:08 AM   
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The appropriate sentence should be like any other. General population, no p.c.



That is correct and just like anyone else, they will first consider the need for pc and if they feel it's needed, then just like anyone else, that's where he will go.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 8:00:50 AM   
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Life without the possibility. Gen pop. no p.c. don't pass go. don't collect 200 dollars. I've no sympathy for the cop whatsoever. 8 shots in the back. hang him high

General pop? No.

Just like those who hope certain criminals get raped in prison this is WRONG!

If we take away a person's right to protect themselves, then it is on society to protect them. That means not putting them in a situation that would cause his death.

I am fine with execution. But it needs to be an execution, not just a "handy death."

I made a careless post the other day about prison rape....
You are completely correct about societies obligation.
I agree completely on this score.

I'll third that.

K.



Aww crap. Now there will be some sort of plague or natural disaster. All three of us agree.


Make that 4 then hang on tight.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 8:20:17 AM   
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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 8:27:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		He didn't cause it... do not get me wrong... but he did contribute to his own death by his actions. We will never know but there was a good chance if he had not tried to take the taser or run that he would be alive today.

In the same situation I would not do either of those things and most reasonable people would not either. It is pertinent to wonder why he did it and why it seems to happen with African Americans more. I understand there is distrust, and with good reason in many cases, of the police but that is not reason enough to be so aggressive in this type of situation... It could just be a group of people fed up with the harassment but it sure is not smart.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 8:30:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is a sad commentary when we have to say that you shouldn't be as fucking rude to cops as they are to you, because you are staking your life on it.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 8:36:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its a sad commentary when people feel the need to be rude to the people who are trying to protect them. Despite recent events the vast majority of police are trying to do just that...and not rude.

Personally I believe the police are being unfairly targeted as the root of society's ills. But I also believe there does need to be reform in police procedures... I just hope these reforms come along quick enough to head off more senseless violence.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 8:52:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did you read the justice dept report on furgistan? If so how can you repeat that disingenuous garbage?
You seem pretty intent on making the black victims somehow responsible for thier own deaths.
There was a book called "black like me" where in a reporter dyed his skin and curled his hair and lived as a black man for a bit. If you think that it is the black person's fault then buy the book and do as the author did and find out first hand what being black is like. Otherwise the disingenuous drivle about how blacks are somehow more prone to crime etc. is simply bigoted rhetoric.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 9:31:41 AM   
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He didn't cause it... do not get me wrong... but he did contribute to his own death by his actions. We will never know but there was a good chance if he had not tried to take the taser or run that he would be alive today.

In the same situation I would not do either of those things and most reasonable people would not either. It is pertinent to wonder why he did it and why it seems to happen with African Americans more. I understand there is distrust, and with good reason in many cases, of the police but that is not reason enough to be so aggressive in this type of situation... It could just be a group of people fed up with the harassment but it sure is not smart.

Butch

Going for the taser was stupid. Running was stupid. There is nothing I have seen that even implies they justified shooting him.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 9:39:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I agree...that is not my point. I am just wondering what gets into people to act as they do. I believe there are people that just want an excuse to kill... this officer is one of those and this man gave him the excuse to do so.

Butch

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 9:54:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Given the propensity for the police to shoot and kill blacks in the US often for little or no reason, as exemplified by the spate of recent deaths of blacks at the hands of various police around the country, I think it is perfectly obvious why a black male would want to minimise any contact with the police.

They say dead men don't talk, but there are lots of corpses sending out a very specific message to black people.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 9:54:56 AM   
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Its a sad commentary when people feel the need to be rude to the people who are trying to protect them. Despite recent events the vast majority of police are trying to do just that...and not rude.

Personally I believe the police are being unfairly targeted as the root of society's ills. But I also believe there does need to be reform in police procedures... I just hope these reforms come along quick enough to head off more senseless violence.

Butch



Yeah, we see how he protected this guy. And rarely are they there to protect you, they are there to try and get you a number and watch you closely.

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 9:58:29 AM   
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kill blacks in the US often for little or no reasonn


This is simply not true tweak.

Butch

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RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up - 4/9/2015 10:13:56 AM   
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Given the propensity for the police to shoot and kill blacks in the US often for little or no reason, as exemplified by the spate of recent deaths of blacks at the hands of various police around the country, I think it is perfectly obvious why a black male would want to minimise any contact with the police.

What "little or no reason" shootings does this sudden, almost overwhelming number of deaths comprise, specifically?

K.


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