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BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/28/2015 10:46:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR When a liberal (current definition not the original one) see a problem he says what can the government do to fix this. When a conservative sees the same problem he says how can we fix this without the government. And anyone with sense doesn't leave out any options. Conservatives use government as last resort. Liberals try the government option for twenty or thirty years then try another government solution. The reason CONservatives use the federal Government as last resort, is so there's over 50 variations of the so-called "solution" with accompanying variations of CONfusing loopholes so that the problem continues for the people least likely to be able to pay for the over-priced solution, and the Real constituents of conservatives continue to profit from the problem, and the middle class gets told all they have to do is work harder to fix the problem. (don't forget to wear your flag pin while you do that, BTW.) Liberals want ONE uniform nationwide government solution to the problem for the middle class and the poor, without the CONfusion, loopholes, and the profit centers the CONservatives like. WHY? Because the private sector has proven it will never affect the complete solution or a solution at all without profits being first priority over people. The idea that conservatives want to avoid helping people is a key excuse for insisting on a government solution to any problem. It isn't true but what does that have to do with ideology? BTW they also look to state or local government to solve more localized problems so the uniformity across the nation argument is bogus justification for what they already wanted to do. Your response tells it all, even what you are unaware of. You know the more you splinter a law the less effective the law is to solve the problem, so Why are you agreeing with this when you know it is true? 50+ law variations in per state times 50+ law variations in per state governments = 2,500+ variations of a law and that's supposed to work on a nationwide problem??? THATS WHATS BOGUS. The fact that every time there is an idea of a tax cut conservatives are the ONLY people holding out the whole process to give the wealthy the cut too. Higher minimum wages, child tax credits, and every financial advantage Originally purely intended for the middle-class and poor a has been held hostage by Republicans and conservatives for tax cuts for the wealthy, and you have the nerve to say I'm wrong?? If I'd had to wait for the state, county and city governments to make the Federal Civil Rights Act into law, not a damn thing would have changed in many areas of this nation, and not a damn body anywhere to enforce the law in the places that did. The only things that conservatives will vote for is a wartime economy, deficit spending,& tax cuts for the wealthy,... In no particular order. It is unfortunate that you actually believe that. It is unfortunate that your party actually gives anyone the reason in any way to believe that. Seeing is believing, BamaD. Oh wait, u don't see.... So when your party votes for a purely middle-class and poor tax cut with no wealthy tax cut Attached... I'll change my mind then for a moment or two. Did you know that in the "tax cut for the rich" the wealthy ended up paying a higher percentage of the income tax than they did before? Didn't think so because you have been subjected to and inclined toward the propaganda.

slvemike4u -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/28/2015 10:54:53 PM)
ROFLMAO....fucking typical

itsSIRtou -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 12:29:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR When a liberal (current definition not the original one) see a problem he says what can the government do to fix this. When a conservative sees the same problem he says how can we fix this without the government. And anyone with sense doesn't leave out any options. Conservatives use government as last resort. Liberals try the government option for twenty or thirty years then try another government solution. The reason CONservatives use the federal Government as last resort, is so there's over 50 variations of the so-called "solution" with accompanying variations of CONfusing loopholes so that the problem continues for the people least likely to be able to pay for the over-priced solution, and the Real constituents of conservatives continue to profit from the problem, and the middle class gets told all they have to do is work harder to fix the problem. (don't forget to wear your flag pin while you do that, BTW.) Liberals want ONE uniform nationwide government solution to the problem for the middle class and the poor, without the CONfusion, loopholes, and the profit centers the CONservatives like. WHY? Because the private sector has proven it will never affect the complete solution or a solution at all without profits being first priority over people. The idea that conservatives want to avoid helping people is a key excuse for insisting on a government solution to any problem. It isn't true but what does that have to do with ideology? BTW they also look to state or local government to solve more localized problems so the uniformity across the nation argument is bogus justification for what they already wanted to do. Your response tells it all, even what you are unaware of. You know the more you splinter a law the less effective the law is to solve the problem, so Why are you agreeing with this when you know it is true? 50+ law variations in per state times 50+ law variations in per state governments = 2,500+ variations of a law and that's supposed to work on a nationwide problem??? THATS WHATS BOGUS. The fact that every time there is an idea of a tax cut conservatives are the ONLY people holding out the whole process to give the wealthy the cut too. Higher minimum wages, child tax credits, and every financial advantage Originally purely intended for the middle-class and poor a has been held hostage by Republicans and conservatives for tax cuts for the wealthy, and you have the nerve to say I'm wrong?? If I'd had to wait for the state, county and city governments to make the Federal Civil Rights Act into law, not a damn thing would have changed in many areas of this nation, and not a damn body anywhere to enforce the law in the places that did. The only things that conservatives will vote for is a wartime economy, deficit spending,& tax cuts for the wealthy,... In no particular order. It is unfortunate that you actually believe that. It is unfortunate that your party actually gives anyone the reason in any way to believe that. Seeing is believing, BamaD. Oh wait, u don't see.... So when your party votes for a purely middle-class and poor tax cut with no wealthy tax cut Attached... I'll change my mind then for a moment or two. Did you know that in the "tax cut for the rich" the wealthy ended up paying a higher percentage of the income tax than they did before? Didn't think so because you have been subjected to and inclined toward the propaganda. you really need to put the Margaritas down for an hour before you desperately reply like that. The point is the wealthy don't need tax cuts at all. What the wealthy really need is tax incentives to spend money on American workers, and American business not another Bush style open-ended tax cut that they spend on that BMW, Lexus or Mercedes. Considering that the GOP only advocates "across the board" tax cuts (wait a minute!! That means the wealthy paid less taxes,.....how shocking!) Even in the height of the last recession, the wealthiest Americans Had the "rich poor income gap" increase by double digits every year Bush tax cuts were enforced, including years where the GOP held such things as unemployment benefits hostage in order to keep the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in place. So please spare me the propaganda bull because you're the one trying to defend the position that really has no defense.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 3:54:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Did you know that in the "tax cut for the rich" the wealthy ended up paying a higher percentage of the income tax than they did before? Didn't think so because you have been subjected to and inclined toward the propaganda. you really need to put the Margaritas down for an hour before you desperately reply like that. The point is the wealthy don't need tax cuts at all. What the wealthy really need is tax incentives to spend money on American workers, and American business not another Bush style open-ended tax cut that they spend on that BMW, Lexus or Mercedes. Considering that the GOP only advocates "across the board" tax cuts (wait a minute!! That means the wealthy paid less taxes,.....how shocking!) Even in the height of the last recession, the wealthiest Americans Had the "rich poor income gap" increase by double digits every year Bush tax cuts were enforced, including years where the GOP held such things as unemployment benefits hostage in order to keep the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in place. So please spare me the propaganda bull because you're the one trying to defend the position that really has no defense. Actually, it's not propaganda; it's truth. Fewer Americans had any Federal Income tax liability after the Bush tax cuts than before (a higher percentage of American workers paid no Federal Income taxes). A larger share of the total Federal Income tax revenues were paid by top tiers of earners. Tax revenues (overall) increased under Bush. Income Tax revenues (under Bush) peaked in 2007, and dropped in '08 and '09, but are higher now than ever before. '08 was higher than '06, too. So, a higher percentage of Federal Income taxes were paid by "the rich," a smaller percentage of wage earners had a Federal Income tax liability, and more Federal Income taxes were paid. Those are the facts. Here's the thing. People who only call for tax increases to solve our deficit problem accept (tacitly or not) that our spending levels are good (or low). People who only call for spending cuts to solve our deficit problem accept (tacitly or not) that our tax levels are good (or high). The problem is, our elected officials can't find a way to compromise on a complete overhaul, so anything they might agree on won't get passed either. Both sides put forth budgets that reduced Medicare spending by, roughly, the same amount (and the manner in which those reductions were to be realized was similar), but since they couldn't agree on an overall budget, Medicare spending reductions never happened at all, even though both parties, roughly, agreed!

Lucylastic -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 4:21:44 AM)
Then you have brownback who gave tax cuts out willy nilly to the unpoor, gave two 2 huge cuts and tightening regulations on the poor, and now will have to close the schools for the rest of the school year, SO he wants to up a sales(read sin) tax(again hitting the poorer pop) because of those tax cuts. Conveniently people dont care unless they can play" youre a liar" because lingerie shops are lingerire shops not walmarts period panties and over the shoulder boulder holders. Ignoring the reality of the facts. That a huge proportion of those on food stamps ACTUALLY do work.

BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 8:12:35 AM)
FR NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep. Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you. Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them.

mnottertail -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 8:17:10 AM)
Typical rabid rightwing dumbassery. Bullshit!!!!

DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 12:14:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Then you have brownback who gave tax cuts out willy nilly to the unpoor, gave two 2 huge cuts and tightening regulations on the poor, and now will have to close the schools for the rest of the school year, SO he wants to up a sales(read sin) tax(again hitting the poorer pop) because of those tax cuts. Conveniently people dont care unless they can play" youre a liar" because lingerie shops are lingerire shops not walmarts period panties and over the shoulder boulder holders. Ignoring the reality of the facts. That a huge proportion of those on food stamps ACTUALLY do work. 1. What Brownback has done has nothing to do with the discussion itsSIRtoyou and I were having about the Bush tax cuts and Federal income taxes. I know you know that, but you still had to add it in. I'm not in Kansas (anymore, or ever; [:D]), so I"m not up on the tax policies and effects there. 2. "Sin taxes" only hit those who are involved in the "sin" activity, regardless of income. The more you're involved in it, the more taxes you'll pay, or the more you'll have to reduce your activity level. The "poor" may have to shell out a higher percentage of their income to pay the same taxes as someone at the same activity level who earns more, but, that's the way that goes for pretty much everything (ignoring government subsidies). Is it wrong to charge someone who makes 100x more the same for the same car? The same gallon of gas? The same sack of potatoes? Perhaps the "poor" should change their behaviors so as to avoid the "sin" taxes? Nah. That wouldn't be fair. [8\|] 3. I'm not going to address it yet because I'm not exactly sure wtf you were trying to say with this sentence: quote: Conveniently people dont care unless they can play" youre a liar" because lingerie shops are lingerire shops not walmarts period panties and over the shoulder boulder holders. 4. Would you rather say "fuck the working poor" and not have them get social welfare help?

mnottertail -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 12:20:42 PM)
But this sort of is about Kansas, you would then know that one of you is on topic, by inference. And you would become aware that their initials are not DS (also by inference).

DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 12:33:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep. Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you. Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them. I think you can go a step further and say that Clinton thought (as do many current Democrats) that your income is not actually yours, while Conservatives believe it is yours. If my income is not mine, government can rightly decide how my money is spent with no consideration to what I think. Government, then, would have the property rights to my income. However, if I own my income, and my income is my property, then I get to decide to what use it goes. It's mine. I earned it. I get to decide what to do with it. Every dollar a gazillionaire earns is exactly the same as every dollar a pissbucket boy earns (he better wait for the shake, though). The gazillionaire probably doesn't hold each dollar as dear, but the value of those dollars is the same everywhere. At what point are we going to decide that it's up to each person to decide how many dollars he or she wants to earn, and allow him or her to decide how to legally earn them?

mnottertail -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 12:49:38 PM)
I think you can go real real fucking far and say that there are no 'conservatives' and that those who pose as them are the ones that required us to move from a loose confederation to a strong federal fovernment.

itsSIRtou -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 3:59:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep. Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you. Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them. I think you can go a step further and say that Clinton thought (as do many current Democrats) that your income is not actually yours, while Conservatives believe it is yours. If my income is not mine, government can rightly decide how my money is spent with no consideration to what I think. Government, then, would have the property rights to my income. However, if I own my income, and my income is my property, then I get to decide to what use it goes. It's mine. I earned it. I get to decide what to do with it. Every dollar a gazillionaire earns is exactly the same as every dollar a pissbucket boy earns (he better wait for the shake, though). The gazillionaire probably doesn't hold each dollar as dear, but the value of those dollars is the same everywhere. At what point are we going to decide that it's up to each person to decide how many dollars he or she wants to earn, and allow him or her to decide how to legally earn them? I'd take the time to reply to that .....but Im being taken out for My birthday the next 2 days so enjoy that GOP fantasy.

slvemike4u -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 5:43:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep. Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you. Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them. approximate quote......so if I put that in parentheses,I can,using quotations put whatever words I want in whomsoever's mouth I want to ?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 7:35:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep. Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you. Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them. approximate quote......so if I put that in parentheses,I can,using quotations put whatever words I want in whomsoever's mouth I want to ? At least the quotes set apart what was being approximately quoted, from the rest of what he was saying, and he did acknowledge it wasn't verbatim.

BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 7:47:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep. Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you. Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them. approximate quote......so if I put that in parentheses,I can,using quotations put whatever words I want in whomsoever's mouth I want to ? At least the quotes set apart what was being approximately quoted, from the rest of what he was saying, and he did acknowledge it wasn't verbatim. Yes Clinton said it about 20 years ago so a couple of words may have been off. However I stuck with what he meant. If I was trying to put words in his mouth I wouldn't have pointed out that it was an approximate quote.

BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/29/2015 8:48:11 PM)
FR In the same speech Clinton said that the size of the tax increase was the Republican's fault. His logic was that since the Republicans fought a smaller tax increase they had no choice but to enact the larger one.

mnottertail -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/30/2015 6:45:39 AM)
We only need look at voting counts to see it is true. Additionally, the individual tax is an invention of the republicans, thru and thru.

thishereboi -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (5/1/2015 5:50:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR When a liberal (current definition not the original one) see a problem he says what can the government do to fix this. When a conservative sees the same problem he says how can we fix this without the government. Fucking bullshit. Nobody in the English-speaking world uses the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' like Americans, PS. I know: it's enough to cause a migraine; That must make it very difficult for the bigots who can't have a conversation about anything without first determining how it fits with the left vs right bullshit they love to drag into everything they do. What it's got to do with 'bigotry' is beyond me. Still, it's always worth throwing in that word, even if it's completely irrelevant, should it help you make a dig. [:)] As I've tried to explain to you before on various occasions, the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' are fundamental in politics. For instance, it's impossible to imagine any course in politics at even the most junior level that doesn't use them because they're so central to just about any given topic later in that course. Certainly it's been true of any course I've ever done. It would be pretty much like trying to do a maths course without ever using the terms 'plus' or 'minus'. I'm sorry that the terms upset you, but you really will just have to get used to them and what they imply regarding your own political worldview, THB. Perhaps if you had spent more time reading what I posted instead of looking for a dig that wasn't there, you would understand why. I didn't say they upset me or suggest no one should use them. I merely made an observation. Such a shame you missed it.

thishereboi -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (5/1/2015 5:52:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi That must make it very difficult for the bigots who can't have a conversation about anything without first determining how it fits with the left vs right bullshit they love to drag into everything they do. Including yourself. I would ask for an example of this but I learned a long time ago, while you are good at throwing out bullshit, you aren't so hot about backing that shit up. So I will merely ask that you stop telling lies about me and go troll someone else.

Politesub53 -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (5/1/2015 6:05:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi That must make it very difficult for the bigots who can't have a conversation about anything without first determining how it fits with the left vs right bullshit they love to drag into everything they do. Including yourself. I would ask for an example of this but I learned a long time ago, while you are good at throwing out bullshit, you aren't so hot about backing that shit up. So I will merely ask that you stop telling lies about me and go troll someone else. Search your own posts, the truth is out there.

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