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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

And the point is? Is its that we should all trust scientists, just like that South Korean who faked stem cell findings? Or is the point that perhaps conservatives realize better than lefties that scientists are people too and not God given founts of truth and wisdom? Or is it that conservatives enjoy seeing evidence before spending trillions of dollars on political theater? Or is it that lefties will believe and worship at the fount of science because they feel mo other God in them?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
And the point is?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Is its that we should all trust scientists, just like that South Korean who faked stem cell findings? Or is the point that perhaps conservatives realize better than lefties that scientists are people too and not God given founts of truth and wisdom? Or is it that conservatives enjoy seeing evidence before spending trillions of dollars on political theater? Or is it that lefties will believe and worship at the fount of science because they feel mo other God in them?

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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And the point is?

That it REALLY isn't just a case of this how parties are, sure there's one in every crowd but...your crowd's past that. Yours very notably has a significant and growing problem with reality denial.

I mean just take a look at this forum, how many of the conservatives here:

1. Go on anti-science rants?

2. Rant about conspiracy theories?

3. Have taken to hoarding ammo?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Is its that we should all trust scientists, just like that South Korean who faked stem cell findings? Or is the point that perhaps conservatives realize better than lefties that scientists are people too and not God given founts of truth and wisdom? Or is it that conservatives enjoy seeing evidence before spending trillions of dollars on political theater? Or is it that lefties will believe and worship at the fount of science because they feel mo other God in them?

And there's the anti-science rant want to segway into a conspiracy theory while your at it?

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
And the point is?

That it REALLY isn't just a case of this how parties are, sure there's one in every crowd but...your crowd's past that. Yours very notably has a significant and growing problem with reality denial.

I mean just take a look at this forum, how many of the conservatives here:

1. Go on anti-science rants?

2. Rant about conspiracy theories?

3. Have taken to hoarding ammo?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Is its that we should all trust scientists, just like that South Korean who faked stem cell findings? Or is the point that perhaps conservatives realize better than lefties that scientists are people too and not God given founts of truth and wisdom? Or is it that conservatives enjoy seeing evidence before spending trillions of dollars on political theater? Or is it that lefties will believe and worship at the fount of science because they feel mo other God in them?

And there's the anti-science rant want to segway into a conspiracy theory while your at it?

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The controversy surrounding stem cell research led to an intense debate about ethics. Up until the recent years, the research method mainly focused on Embryonic Stem Cells, which involves taking tissue from an aborted embryo to get proper material to study. This is typically done just days after conception or between the 5th and 9th week.

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I think you missed the point with your bottom statement.

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You've obviously no clue about what's being discussed by whom. You're just drinking the kool aide.

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Cloudboy, did the NYT tell you that the the reason the scientists knew the environmentalists where lying was because all of the socialist politicos from behind the iron curtain went into the environmental movement when the wall came down and are now using that movement to spread socialism.

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Sorry GS, you obviously have a political viewpoint you're not willing to discuss. You see what you see. That's where you'll stay.

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Sorry GS, you obviously have a political viewpoint you're not willing to discuss. You see what you see. That's where you'll stay.

I consider mainstream science credible, though I don't consider that a political viewpoint, at least it shouldn't be. Also I've discussed my support of science on here at length for years now. However there's one thing you're right about, conspiracy rants aren't going to change my position.

P.S. You've been hoarding ammo haven't you?

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I don't really think you understand what I'm saying. Nor do you seem interested or capable of understanding what I'm saying.

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So, while you may have discussed science here for years, I'm pretty sure you're not making much of a contribution to the discussion. For instance you keep using words interchangeably that aren't interchanable. Credible and trust being two of them.

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If you can't see politics involved there's really no sense in having a discussion. But, it seems to make you happy so have at it.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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I don't really think you understand what I'm saying. Nor do you seem interested or capable of understanding what I'm saying.

Of course you don't, that's textbook. It's the single most common line conspiracy theorists use.

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So, while you may have discussed science here for years, I'm pretty sure you're not making much of a contribution to the discussion. For instance you keep using words interchangeably that aren't interchanable. Credible and trust being two of them.

I'll agree that my actual words and the ones you are replacing them with are not interchangeable, but the problem there certainly isn't on my end.

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If you can't see politics involved there's really no sense in having a discussion. But, it seems to make you happy so have at it.

Oh I see what's there, it just looks different when one isn't wearing fear goggles.

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The House of Representatives held a panel on "Politically Driven Science" but failed to ask any actual scientists for their take on politics driving scientific study. Hmmmm, don't ask don't tell?


http://news.sciencemag.org/policy/2015/05/house-panel-holds-hearing-politically-driven-science-sans-scientists

So... If some politicians wanted to talk about trees, youre thinking they had ought to invite some trees?

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The House of Representatives held a panel on "Politically Driven Science" but failed to ask any actual scientists for their take on politics driving scientific study. Hmmmm, don't ask don't tell?


http://news.sciencemag.org/policy/2015/05/house-panel-holds-hearing-politically-driven-science-sans-scientists

So... If some politicians wanted to talk about trees, youre thinking they had ought to invite some trees?

Actually, they SHOULD invite some trees. Or, since trees are genuiely fairly immobile, hold hearings around them.

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There you go. A classic dogmatic kool aide drinker. Anything you can't, or don't want to discuss or prove up, chalk it up to the other sides argument is a classic and I don't need to respond. You've pretty much used your own arguments to condemn your own arguments.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3788812/
Among American Conservatives, but not Liberals, trust in science has been declining since the 1970's. Climate science has become particularly polarized, with Conservatives being more likely than Liberals to reject the notion that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the globe. Conversely, opposition to genetically-modified (GM) foods and vaccinations is often ascribed to the political Left although reliable data are lacking. There are also growing indications that rejection of science is suffused by conspiracist ideation, that is the general tendency to endorse conspiracy theories including the specific beliefs that inconvenient scientific findings constitute a “hoax.”

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There you go. A classic dogmatic kool aide drinker. Anything you can't, or don't want to discuss or prove up, chalk it up to the other sides argument is a classic and I don't need to respond. You've pretty much used your own arguments to condemn your own arguments.

On the contrary I've just explained what's going on with conservative science denial.

Having previously cited evidence that there's a growing problem with science denial among conservatives the pertinent question becomes why? That question has of course been researched and as I've been saying:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3788812/
Among American Conservatives, but not Liberals, trust in science has been declining since the 1970's. Climate science has become particularly polarized, with Conservatives being more likely than Liberals to reject the notion that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the globe. Conversely, opposition to genetically-modified (GM) foods and vaccinations is often ascribed to the political Left although reliable data are lacking. There are also growing indications that rejection of science is suffused by conspiracist ideation, that is the general tendency to endorse conspiracy theories including the specific beliefs that inconvenient scientific findings constitute a “hoax.”

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I've got thousands of rounds of a munitions and plenty of guns to shoot them. I'm pretty familiar with the ammo market and I'd say that most of the ammo hoarding going on is due to market forces. I saw the same thing during the Clinton administration. I'm not hoarding. I just like to have on hand that which I want to shoot when I wantbto shoot it. Much of the ammo I have on hand I reloaded myself for specific purposes. I don't see your point, actually, I find it pretty paranoid and conspiratorial. Perhaps you can enlighten me on that as well.

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You've spouted leftist cliche only. You've not attempted to understand any thing else. Your mind is closed and when something comes up that doesn't fit your kool aide world view you ridicule. That's all you've done.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
For instance your original post that we began to discuss until you went off on a loony tangent regarded who "trusted" science and you postulated that equated to science being verifiable.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
You interchange ideas. You assume that a trust is the same as understanding. You assume that a trust is the same as having superior knowledge.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3788812/
Free-market worldviews are an important predictor of the rejection of scientific findings that have potential regulatory implications, such as climate science, but not necessarily of other scientific issues. Conspiracist ideation, by contrast, is associated with the rejection of all scientific propositions tested. We highlight the manifold cognitive reasons why conspiracist ideation would stand in opposition to the scientific method. The involvement of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science has implications for science communicators.

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Since then so much that was taught back then has been found to be inaccurate.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
I allow for unknowns by not trusting what is being spouted now will ultimately be found to be correct.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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You've spouted leftist cliche only. You've not attempted to understand any thing else. Your mind is closed and when something comes up that doesn't fit your kool aide world view you ridicule. That's all you've done.

Only if you ignore the studies that I've cited.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
For instance your original post that we began to discuss until you went off on a loony tangent regarded who "trusted" science and you postulated that equated to science being verifiable.

You've got that rather mixed up.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
You interchange ideas. You assume that a trust is the same as understanding. You assume that a trust is the same as having superior knowledge.

Actually my point in this thread has NOTHING to do with superior knowledge. It's been about the difference in how conspiracy theorists and normal people react given the SAME knowledge:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3788812/
Free-market worldviews are an important predictor of the rejection of scientific findings that have potential regulatory implications, such as climate science, but not necessarily of other scientific issues. Conspiracist ideation, by contrast, is associated with the rejection of all scientific propositions tested. We highlight the manifold cognitive reasons why conspiracist ideation would stand in opposition to the scientific method. The involvement of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science has implications for science communicators.

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Since then so much that was taught back then has been found to be inaccurate.

Which is AWESOME!

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I allow for unknowns by not trusting what is being spouted now will ultimately be found to be correct.

Conspiracy theorists frequently claim they're being skeptical but the conspiracy theorist mindset is about as far from rational skepticism as one can possibly get.