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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 5:43:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		meanwhile, I recently saw frank luntz saying (and with research showing) that marco Rubio is likely the best of the speakers amongst the republican candidates.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 6:42:47 PM   
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meanwhile, I recently saw frank luntz saying (and with research showing) that marco Rubio is likely the best of the speakers amongst the republican candidates.


We don't need a good speaker. Candidate Obama was a great orator. We need a uniter, regardless of oration skills.


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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 6:48:27 PM   
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That pesky "due process" thing, eh?

I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.

Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.

Good luck.


I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.

Especially when they have a proven track record.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 6:56:25 PM   
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That pesky "due process" thing, eh?

I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.

Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.

Good luck.


I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.

Especially when they have a proven track record.



I agree with not taking a politicians word, ever. Never fall in love with a politician they'll always eventually screw you. But, I'm not sure what track record Rubio has that you don't approve of. I understand we're not on the same political wavelength and what you don't like I may applaud. But, as a Floridian, can you list a few track record type things I may not be aware of now?

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:01:03 PM   
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That pesky "due process" thing, eh?
I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.
Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.
Good luck.

I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.
Especially when they have a proven track record.


"Proven track record?" I agree that Rand Paul has a pretty good "proven track record" of upholding the US Constitution according to a conservative interpretation. I think that's awesome. I wish more Senators and Representatives would do that.

I assume you're okay with taking the word on why all the people who voted "yes" voted they way they did, though, right? Is it okay with you if someone voted "yes" simply because he/she didn't want to be abused in the media of opposing an intentionally emotionally titled bill? Regardless of whether or not I agree with a bill, I'd rather people vote for it because they believe it's the right thing to do, rather than vote for it because of potential blowback.


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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:01:43 PM   
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That pesky "due process" thing, eh?

I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.

Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.

Good luck.


I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.

Especially when they have a proven track record.

If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:02:37 PM   
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That pesky "due process" thing, eh?
I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.
Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.
Good luck.

I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.
Especially when they have a proven track record.

If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.


I'm sure it has nothing to do with his agreeing with the vote. Nope. Nada ting.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:06:53 PM   
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That pesky "due process" thing, eh?
I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.
Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.
Good luck.

I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.
Especially when they have a proven track record.

If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.


I'm sure it has nothing to do with his agreeing with the vote. Nope. Nada ting.

How cynical of you.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:11:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
That pesky "due process" thing, eh?
I'm glad there are people like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio who would stand on principle and the Constitution to oppose bills, even though they'll likely be used as cannon fodder.
Assuming the worst reasoning behind a "no" vote is only going to get you more jaded, and less informed, too.
Good luck.

I think taking a politician's word for why they voted the way they did is a bit naive.
Especially when they have a proven track record.

If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.


I'm sure it has nothing to do with his agreeing with the vote. Nope. Nada ting.

How cynical of you.



Okay guys, I'm sure you've seen me do my share of idiot liberal bashing. I have nothing against that. But, JVoV has been straight up all along. He doesn't try and be tricky. He has a view and he states it. He disagrees with us, I don't care. He does it politely and actually makes good points. Sorry to be a police guy.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:12:31 PM   
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How cynical of you.


Not at all. I'm just not going to take his word on it, based on his proven track record.


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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:14:55 PM   
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Okay guys, I'm sure you've seen me do my share of idiot liberal bashing. I have nothing against that. But, JVoV has been straight up all along. He doesn't try and be tricky. He has a view and he states it. He disagrees with us, I don't care. He does it politely and actually makes good points. Sorry to be a police guy.


This has nothing to do with how he discusses things (and I agree, he's one of the few that will actually discuss things). But, self-imposed blinders are going to be called out.


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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:15:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure he's mostly voted along party lines, but as the Senator from Florida, he voted against HR 15 Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013, for Hurricane Sandy relief. I worry that will bite us in the ass one day, when a Category5 decides to visit Disney World.

He also voted against the Employment NonDiscrimination Act of 2013. Though that's been proposed in every Congress since the 90's.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:20:49 PM   
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If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.


Who am I taking at their word about their vote?

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:27:32 PM   
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If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.


Who am I taking at their word about their vote?

You only question the motives of those who voted against the bill, not those who voted for it.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:31:54 PM   
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I'm sure he's mostly voted along party lines, but as the Senator from Florida, he voted against HR 15 Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013, for Hurricane Sandy relief. I worry that will bite us in the ass one day, when a Category5 decides to visit Disney World.

He also voted against the Employment NonDiscrimination Act of 2013. Though that's been proposed in every Congress since the 90's.


I don't know anything about HR 15. But I posted, a week or so ago, some where around here, a paper on the Corp of Engineers. Disaster relief is getting so political and expensive, there could have very well been an unreasonable cost to benefit ratio with that bill.

As to the employment non discrimination act, I'd say now what I told a dear old aunt in 1979 when she wanted me to approve ( in the sense of agreeing with it) the constitutional amendment for women's rights. It's already illigal to discriminate we don't need new laws just to show politicians care. It's the same with gun laws. We already have enough, enforce the ones we have.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:38:25 PM   
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If you don't accept the word of a politician who votes one way, why accept the word of one who votes the other way.


Who am I taking at their word about their vote?

You only question the motives of those who voted against the bill, not those who voted for it.


Actually, I only questioned the motives of Marco Rubio, which this thread is about. Then I was directly asked about Rand Paul's statement concerning his vote, and responded, even adding my take on why Biden named VAWA as he did in the first place.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 7:51:11 PM   
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Okay guys, I'm sure you've seen me do my share of idiot liberal bashing. I have nothing against that. But, JVoV has been straight up all along. He doesn't try and be tricky. He has a view and he states it. He disagrees with us, I don't care. He does it politely and actually makes good points. Sorry to be a police guy.


This has nothing to do with how he discusses things (and I agree, he's one of the few that will actually discuss things). But, self-imposed blinders are going to be called out.



Part of why I'm here discussing politics with you guys & gals is to test those blinders. So by all means, call them out.

I may have my own personal agenda when it comes to being able to walk down the aisle, but I trust the Supreme Court to make that happen a helluva lot more than I do politicians. Eventually, anyway.

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 8:06:25 PM   
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As to the employment non discrimination act, I'd say now what I told a dear old aunt in 1979 when she wanted me to approve ( in the sense of agreeing with it) the constitutional amendment for women's rights. It's already illigal to discriminate we don't need new laws just to show politicians care. It's the same with gun laws. We already have enough, enforce the ones we have.


Actually, you can still be fired because of your sexuality in some states. link

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 8:17:08 PM   
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As to the employment non discrimination act, I'd say now what I told a dear old aunt in 1979 when she wanted me to approve ( in the sense of agreeing with it) the constitutional amendment for women's rights. It's already illigal to discriminate we don't need new laws just to show politicians care. It's the same with gun laws. We already have enough, enforce the ones we have.


Actually, you can still be fired because of your sexuality in some states. link


I accept your point, but don't agree for a couple of reasons. The article you posted said' "This map is "true" in the broad sense that it identifies states which do not currently have statewide laws prohibiting all employers from engaging in discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, but it is not the case that those states are all completely devoid protections against that form of discrimination."

From my many hours forcefully spent in sexual harassment training, I know that sex shouldn't be a work place topic at all. So in that sense, how would someone even know you were gay? And if they knew because you (the metaphorical you) brought it up, wouldn't you then be in violation of sexual harassment laws. Seriously, JVoV, as a heterosexual white male I'm not allowed those sorts of discussions. Why should you be allowed? Okay, I get that there is gaydar and people may know without you talking about it. But, the laws are so harsh now why, in your opinion, should that be a work place topic enough to have a person dismissed?

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RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio - 5/26/2015 8:42:20 PM   
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But you don't have to discuss your sex life to discuss your personal life.

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