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Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 10:25:37 AM)
FR Israel's Netanyahu says boycott efforts recall Nazi Germany quote: [img]http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ww2-pix/boycott1a.jpg[/img] Nazi storm troopers block the entrance to a Jewish-owned store. Their signs read: "Germans, defend yourselves against the Jewish atrocity propaganda, buy only at German shops!" and "Germans, defend yourselves, buy only at German shops!"

HunterCA -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 1:26:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote. He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse? Is this lies? Abuse? http://zeek.forward.com/articles/117084/ Here's just one example of lies and abuse I was referring to: "BDS is racist at the core. People like you who revel in anything that might harm the Jewish state are racists.", posted by Sanity. This kind of sickening crap is repeatedly posted by the likes of Sanity and Hunter to the exclusion of virtually everything else as a glance over the preceding pages will confirm. You know perfectly well that the "lies" and "abuse" I was referring to are those posted previously on this thread, not some speech that hasn't been presented here, as the speech you quote from is. But thanks anyways for at least presenting a coherent argument. It has been a long time since anyone posting from the Zionist side has presented anything even vaguely resembling a coherent argument here. I hope the others adhere to the standard you have set. One suspects that there is something wrong when far Right wing types like you present something coming from self styled 'progressive' sources. But, leaving that aside, let's examine Paiss' argument that BDS is at its core, anti-Semitic, and see if it is consistent with reality. IF, and I stress if, it were the case that BDS is anti-Semitic, then it will be the case that BDS targets either Israeli or Jewish business either exclusively or predominantly. Some pages ago, I presented a list of Top 10 brands targetted by BDS published by the Christian Science Monitor. Of the 10 brands, only 3 are Israeli - Sodastream, Ahava and Tiger/Sabra hummus. They are either located in Occupied Palestine or use produce of the Occupation in their products. The other 7 are multinationals - MacDonalds, Intel, Hewlett Packard, Volvo Group, Motorola, Pampers and Victoria's Secret. So the overwhelming majority of brands (7/10 or 70%) targetted by BDS are neither Israeli- or recognisably Jewish-owned or -operated. My guess is that more people would recognise them as American than anything else. The primary criterion for targetting by the BDS movement is that the company must be profiting from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine. The religious/racial background of the owners or the location of its HQ is irrelevant. If it profits from the Occupation, then it's potentially a target. Thus the list above disproves the claim that BDS is anti-Semitic. As the Magnes Zionist blog confirms, " The “anti-Semitism” charge against BDS is false, intellectually lazy, and morally repugnant. It [BDS] not only explicitly opposes anti-Semitism; it is diametrically opposed to it." (my emphasis) So Paiss' argument doesn't withstand scrutiny. The charge of anti-Semitism against BDS is demonstrably false. It is best considered alongside ex-Israeli Cabinet Minister Aloni's admission that "anti-Semitism" is a "trick we always use" to smear critics of Israel's indefensible Occupation of Palestine. BDS is explicitly opposed to all types of racism especially anti-Semitism. (It would be nice if critics of BDS were the same, but defending ethnic cleansing and apartheid is an inherently and irreducibly racist stance. ) BDS targets business that profit from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine. Frankly, it's only sickening crap if it's not true. I have to laugh my ass off because "who" in terms of political left or right is always running around pointing fingers calling people racist, sexist, wrongskinists? Why it's the lefties. So basically, Tweaka, you're calling your whole political pursuasion sticking crap and then defending it and adhering to it. Shame on you.

HunterCA -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 1:31:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity FR Israel's Netanyahu says boycott efforts recall Nazi Germany quote: [img]http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ww2-pix/boycott1a.jpg[/img] Nazi storm troopers block the entrance to a Jewish-owned store. Their signs read: "Germans, defend yourselves against the Jewish atrocity propaganda, buy only at German shops!" and "Germans, defend yourselves, buy only at German shops!" Looks a whole lot like tweaka's defense.

kdsub -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 2:30:55 PM)
Aren't we kinda sorta doing the same thing when it comes to Iran and Korea? Not that I disagree with our policy but it is no different is it? Butch

Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 2:50:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Aren't we kinda sorta doing the same thing when it comes to Iran and Korea? Not that I disagree with our policy but it is no different is it? Butch If we were doing it because theyre Persians or theyre Asians it would be the same

kdsub -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 3:01:22 PM)
I certainly do not agree with many criticisms of Israel by tweak but I can see where many people would not agree with some of the policies of Israel. That does not make them anti-Jewish necessarily does it? I am a supporter of Israel in their fight against terrorism... but very much against their settlement policies. Otherwise i can see where fair minded people of differing opinions could join in this movement without being anti-Semitic. Butch

Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 3:19:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I certainly do not agree with many criticisms of Israel by tweak but I can see where many people would not agree with some of the policies of Israel. That does not make them anti-Jewish necessarily does it? I am a supporter of Israel in their fight against terrorism... but very much against their settlement policies. Otherwise i can see where fair minded people of differing opinions could join in this movement without being anti-Semitic. Butch Why are there no boycotts of Islamic states for their apartheid like (and worse) treatment of Christians, women, and homosexuals etc. For their raining rockets down on civilian targets in Israel. Why is it just an anti- Israel thing. Its because the birth and the push behind the BDS movement is anti Semitic in nature, and that cannot be separated from the movement as a whole

kdsub -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 3:24:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Why are there no boycotts of Islamic states for their apartheid like (and worse) treatment of Christians, women, and homosexuals etc. For their raining rockets down on civilian targets in Israel. But there are... US ...as i said the more pressure on both sides the better Butch

Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 3:38:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub But there are... US ...as i said the more pressure on both sides the better Butch No there arent. We are boycotting Saudi Arabia? The United Arab Emirates? Etc etc etc? Since when.

kdsub -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 3:50:29 PM)
You lumped all Islamic states together... I didn't... I was talking of Iran in particular but also Syria ... and... in the past we have used financial pressure on Palestine and other so called Islamic states to suit our purposes. My point is we and other western nations have boycotted many Islamic countries. We do and did this to try and change the actions of these countries. Even though there are many Americans that are anti-Islamic that does not mean the actions of the majority or our government is... The same with this... I am sure there are many in this movement that ARE anti-Semitic ... but I am also sure that many... perhaps most are not but simply against the policies of Israel... not because they are Jews. But of course just our opinions Butch

Politesub53 -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 4:05:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The Guardian again How surprising Did you actually read the link you dopey fuck ? Do you even know who Neve Gordon is, or what he does, or about his past. He holds more credibility than your half arsed bollocks ever will.

Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 4:19:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Do you even know who Neve Gordon is I'll have a guess Someone who your favorite anti-Semitic far left propaganda spewing rag is all too pleased to give voice to?

Politesub53 -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 4:28:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Do you even know who Neve Gordon is I'll have a guess Someone who your favorite anti-Semitic far left propaganda spewing rag is all too pleased to give voice to? You could either A) Keep digging but be careful..... its already way above your head. B) Google and enlighten yourself a tad.

Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 4:47:51 PM)
Sorry old troll, its already been established on this thread that your Guardian source is fishwrap

Politesub53 -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 4:53:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Sorry old troll, its already been established on this thread that your Guardian source is fishwrap No it hasnt brains, not by a long way.

tweakabelle -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 6:02:16 PM)
It seems that the European consumers' boycott is hitting Israel hard: "The European boycott campaign against the Israeli settlements' agricultural products caused Israel's economy a loss $6 billion in the years 2013 and 2014. According to the data of the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, obtained by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the losses resulting from the boycott will rise to $9.5 billion by the end of this year. ' https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19237-settlements-lose-6bn-in-two-years-of-european-boycott The losses to the Israeli economy from the European boycott of agricultural products alone cancel out the US's aid to Israel which is worth $3 billion annually. IIRC the EU is Israel's largest trading partner. Unless Israel changes its policies, it can be expected that these losses will only increase with time as the boycott becomes more popular and widespread - it seems Israel anticipates agricultural losses growing by $500 million this year.

HunterCA -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 6:15:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It seems that the European consumers' boycott is hitting Israel hard: "The European boycott campaign against the Israeli settlements' agricultural products caused Israel's economy a loss $6 billion in the years 2013 and 2014. According to the data of the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, obtained by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the losses resulting from the boycott will rise to $9.5 billion by the end of this year. ' https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19237-settlements-lose-6bn-in-two-years-of-european-boycott The losses to the Israeli economy from the European boycott of agricultural products alone cancel out the US's aid to Israel which is worth $3 billion annually. IIRC the EU is Israel's largest trading partner. Unless Israel changes its policies, it can be expected that these losses will only increase with time - it seems Israel anticipates agricultural losses growing by $500 million this year. Or sell to China and Japan. Did you know in Japan a single cherry costs $4.00. It's a good market for fruit and things. Well, even rice since Japan doesnt have enough land to grow enough rice. And we here, we've hybrided out red delicious apples out of favor in the States. We've started growing new brands and China will buy every apply we don't want for top dollar. The thing is, once those markets are established they'll be gone for the EU for ever. And, of course, the EU is now paying much more for agricultural imports. The market will work out don't worry.

Sanity -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/15/2015 6:32:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It seems that the European consumers' boycott is hitting Israel hard: "The European boycott campaign against the Israeli settlements' agricultural products caused Israel's economy a loss $6 billion in the years 2013 and 2014. According to the data of the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, obtained by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the losses resulting from the boycott will rise to $9.5 billion by the end of this year. ' https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19237-settlements-lose-6bn-in-two-years-of-european-boycott The losses to the Israeli economy from the European boycott of agricultural products alone cancel out the US's aid to Israel which is worth $3 billion annually. IIRC the EU is Israel's largest trading partner. Unless Israel changes its policies, it can be expected that these losses will only increase with time as the boycott becomes more popular and widespread - it seems Israel anticipates agricultural losses growing by $500 million this year. They cant get away from you now (Just like in '67)

tweakabelle -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/16/2015 1:13:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanit They cant get away from you now I'm still waiting for you to tell us where you got that misleading quote in post 133 from, Sanity. You know that one that claimed: ""Forget everything you know. There is no anti-Semitism now, it doesnt exist... " and made it look as though the person interviewed in one my links had made that silly statement, when they said nothing of the sort. You still haven't told us where it came from. Do you have any source for your quote? Did you make it up? It's starting to look like you did. Your silence only compounds suspicions that you invented it.

tweakabelle -> RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" (6/16/2015 2:44:34 AM)
Omar Bhagouti is widely identified as one of the founders and leaders of the BDS movement. In a interview he explains the movement's goals and strategies:' "Q.A common accusation against the international BDS campaign is that it feeds on anti-Semitism. What do you say to that? A. BDS is a non-violent human rights movement that seeks freedom, justice and equality for the Palestinian people, based on international law and universal principles of human rights. As such, BDS has consistently and categorically rejected all forms of discrimination and racism, including anti-Semitism as well as dozens of racist laws in Israel. “Our non-violent struggle has never been against Jews or Israelis as Jews, but against an unjust regime that enslaves our people with occupation, apartheid and denial of the refugees’ UN-stipulated rights. We are proud of the disproportionately high number of Jewish activists in the BDS movement, especially in the U.S. “Conflating time-honored, human-rights-based boycotts of Israel’s violations of international law with anti-Jewish racism is not only false, it is a racist attempt to put all Jews into one basket and to implicate them in Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians. “Israel’s charge of racism against the BDS movement is akin to the Ku Klux Klan accusing Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks of racism! It is so blatantly propagandistic.” http://972mag.com/interview-the-man-behind-the-bds-movement/107771/ Read the full interview at the link to hear the BDS movement explain itself, its goals and strategies. The magazine/site ( http://972mag.com ) that published the interview is a good source for independent human rights based analysis of the broader Palestine/Israel conflict. There is an in-depth section on the BDS movement that contains news, perspectives and information most people are unlikely to encounter in the mainstream media, that will help enormously in understanding the reasons why BDS is needed and the movement's aims and strategies.

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