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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 2:46:37 PM   
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I don't think ending the war on drugs can (or should) be a reality, but I believe it's time to take a hard look at what we've done, and weigh the pros and cons. The war on drugs has to be updated to fit the 21st century.

There should be no lesser sentence for a Wall Street cocaine dealer than for the crack dealer on the corner, and the users & addicts need to be rehabilitated medically, not criminally.

I'm not sure that privatized prisons are even constitutional. But incarceration has to be not just punishment, but 'reprogramming' for lack of a better word. Especially for nonviolent offenders. We should want these people to have a chance at being responsible, productive citizens once they've paid their dues.

There are a lot of uncertainties regarding the decriminalization of drugs, even just marijuana, and the impact it would have on poor & black neighborhoods. Maybe that's a conversation for another thread though.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 3:01:02 PM   
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This past Sunday...

Blue Lives Matter NYC, a charity for the families of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty, hosted the fundraising event during a baseball game between the Staten Island Yankees and the Brooklyn Cyclones at the Richmond County Bank Ballpark. The families of NYPD detectives Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos — who were shot and killed by a lone gunman in Brooklyn in December 2014 — were honored during the ball game. One of Liu’s family members threw out the ceremonial first pitch. ~Yahoo News

But, alas, Sunday was also St. Michael's Day...

The minor-league baseball team unapologetically spits in the face of the #BlackLivesMatter movement... the Staten Island Yankees, a minor-league baseball team in New York City, held a “Blue Lives Matter” event under the guise of honoring police officers killed in the line of duty... A reader of The Root called out the organization for its clear display of insensitivity and callousness. "Wow, could this promotion be any more offensive, divisive and disrespectful..." This kind of psychological violence is par for the course... ~The Root

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Hijacking the catchphrase and holding an event on the anniversary seems tacky, and disrespectful to the officers who lost their lives in the line of duty, serving and protecting the entire community.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 3:30:52 PM   
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Hijacking the catchphrase and holding an event on the anniversary seems tacky, and disrespectful to the officers who lost their lives in the line of duty, serving and protecting the entire community.

The choice of day had nothing to do with their fucking St. Michael, and what's "disrespectful" is memorializing a thug who attacked a police officer.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 5:16:12 PM   
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The choice of day had nothing to do with their fucking St. Michael



I find it hard to believe that the organizers would hijack the catchphrase but the date of the event was pure coincidence.

That doesn't mean that I buy into Michael Brown's martyrdom.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 6:06:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I don't think ending the war on drugs can (or should) be a reality, but I believe it's time to take a hard look at what we've done, and weigh the pros and cons. The war on drugs has to be updated to fit the 21st century.

There should be no lesser sentence for a Wall Street cocaine dealer than for the crack dealer on the corner, and the users & addicts need to be rehabilitated medically, not criminally.

I'm not sure that privatized prisons are even constitutional. But incarceration has to be not just punishment, but 'reprogramming' for lack of a better word. Especially for nonviolent offenders. We should want these people to have a chance at being responsible, productive citizens once they've paid their dues.

There are a lot of uncertainties regarding the decriminalization of drugs, even just marijuana, and the impact it would have on poor & black neighborhoods. Maybe that's a conversation for another thread though.


What if rehabilitation isnt what it would take to make them happy

quote:

Armed Black Panthers March in Texas: ‘Off the Pigs’ (VIDEO)

During one of the chants the group shouted in a back and forth marching style cadence song:


WALLER COUNTY, Texas — A group of armed members of the New Black Panther Party marched on the Waller County Jail Wednesday afternoon chanting “The revelation is on… Off the pigs,” and “Oink Oink… Bang Bang!” The group of about fifteen Black Panthers exercised their First and Second Amendment rights. The group was met in Waller County by a large contingent of Harris County (Houston) Sheriff’s Office deputies.

In order to avoid a repeat of last weekend’s disturbance where protesters invaded the Sheriff’s Office foyer and engaged in disruptive behavior, Waller County Sheriff R. Glenn Smith called the Harris County Sheriff’s Office to request assistance under a regional assistance agreement. Harris County sent in about seventy-five deputies including about ten horse mounted crowd-control deputies and approximately thirty crowd-control deputies in riot gear.

In order to avoid a repeat of last weekend’s disturbance where protesters invaded the Sheriff’s Office foyer and engaged in disruptive behavior, Waller County Sheriff R. Glenn Smith called the Harris County Sheriff’s Office to request assistance under a regional assistance agreement. Harris County sent in about seventy-five deputies including about ten horse mounted crowd-control deputies and approximately thirty crowd-control deputies in riot gear.

The revolution is on,” said the chant leader. “Off the pigs,” the group chanted back. The chant continues, “Time to pick up the gun… Off the pigs. No more pigs in my community… Off the pigs. No more brothers in jail… Off the pigs. No more sisters in jail… Off the pigs. The pigs are gonna get scared… Off the pigs. The pigs are gonna get dead… Off the pigs.



Full article here


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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 6:37:28 PM   
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White guys going on and on for seven pages. The content is like a bad AM radio station.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 6:40:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I don't think ending the war on drugs can (or should) be a reality, but I believe it's time to take a hard look at what we've done, and weigh the pros and cons. The war on drugs has to be updated to fit the 21st century.

There should be no lesser sentence for a Wall Street cocaine dealer than for the crack dealer on the corner, and the users & addicts need to be rehabilitated medically, not criminally.

I'm not sure that privatized prisons are even constitutional. But incarceration has to be not just punishment, but 'reprogramming' for lack of a better word. Especially for nonviolent offenders. We should want these people to have a chance at being responsible, productive citizens once they've paid their dues.

There are a lot of uncertainties regarding the decriminalization of drugs, even just marijuana, and the impact it would have on poor & black neighborhoods. Maybe that's a conversation for another thread though.


What if rehabilitation isnt what it would take to make them happy

quote:

Armed Black Panthers March in Texas: ‘Off the Pigs’ (VIDEO)

During one of the chants the group shouted in a back and forth marching style cadence song:


WALLER COUNTY, Texas — A group of armed members of the New Black Panther Party marched on the Waller County Jail Wednesday afternoon chanting “The revelation is on… Off the pigs,” and “Oink Oink… Bang Bang!” The group of about fifteen Black Panthers exercised their First and Second Amendment rights. The group was met in Waller County by a large contingent of Harris County (Houston) Sheriff’s Office deputies.

In order to avoid a repeat of last weekend’s disturbance where protesters invaded the Sheriff’s Office foyer and engaged in disruptive behavior, Waller County Sheriff R. Glenn Smith called the Harris County Sheriff’s Office to request assistance under a regional assistance agreement. Harris County sent in about seventy-five deputies including about ten horse mounted crowd-control deputies and approximately thirty crowd-control deputies in riot gear.

In order to avoid a repeat of last weekend’s disturbance where protesters invaded the Sheriff’s Office foyer and engaged in disruptive behavior, Waller County Sheriff R. Glenn Smith called the Harris County Sheriff’s Office to request assistance under a regional assistance agreement. Harris County sent in about seventy-five deputies including about ten horse mounted crowd-control deputies and approximately thirty crowd-control deputies in riot gear.

The revolution is on,” said the chant leader. “Off the pigs,” the group chanted back. The chant continues, “Time to pick up the gun… Off the pigs. No more pigs in my community… Off the pigs. No more brothers in jail… Off the pigs. No more sisters in jail… Off the pigs. The pigs are gonna get scared… Off the pigs. The pigs are gonna get dead… Off the pigs.



Full article here


I didn't know that the New Black Panthers were made up of white conservatives, since we have been told repeatedly that white conservatives have a monopoly on this sort of thing.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 6:42:46 PM   
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White guys going on and on for seven pages. The content is like a bad AM radio station.

If you don't think white guys should speak their minds keep quite, much as you hate the fact you are a white guy.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 6:42:54 PM   
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White guys going on and on for seven pages. The content is like a bad AM radio station.


To be fair I tried my best to introduce some diverse viewpoints into the discussion

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 6:45:30 PM   
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I'm not oblivious to the fact that there are some within the BLM movement that seek domination instead of equality.

The movement could be so much more powerful & effective if it could aim its criticisms inwards as well. All parents want more for their children than a roadside memorial and a few minutes of police footage.

I believe that is up to each of us to make our own lives matter. Government policy and laws have to provide an equal opportunity for that to happen, and try not to get in the way too much. The system has to be fixed first, and then everyone, regardless of color, has to step up and do their part to fulfill their own destiny.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 7:04:23 PM   
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~ FR ~

This past Sunday...

Blue Lives Matter NYC, a charity for the families of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty, hosted the fundraising event during a baseball game between the Staten Island Yankees and the Brooklyn Cyclones at the Richmond County Bank Ballpark. The families of NYPD detectives Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos — who were shot and killed by a lone gunman in Brooklyn in December 2014 — were honored during the ball game. One of Liu’s family members threw out the ceremonial first pitch. ~Yahoo News

But, alas, Sunday was also St. Michael's Day...

The minor-league baseball team unapologetically spits in the face of the #BlackLivesMatter movement... the Staten Island Yankees, a minor-league baseball team in New York City, held a “Blue Lives Matter” event under the guise of honoring police officers killed in the line of duty... A reader of The Root called out the organization for its clear display of insensitivity and callousness. "Wow, could this promotion be any more offensive, divisive and disrespectful..." This kind of psychological violence is par for the course... ~The Root

K.



Hijacking the catchphrase and holding an event on the anniversary seems tacky, and disrespectful to the officers who lost their lives in the line of duty, serving and protecting the entire community.

You realize that before BLM meant Black Lives Matter it meant Black Liberation Movement, so Blue Lives matters hijacked something from hijackers.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 7:59:17 PM   
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I didn't know that the New Black Panthers were made up of white conservatives, since we have been told repeatedly that white conservatives have a monopoly on this sort of thing.


Some people would be amazed what they can learn if they venture away from the cloudboy programming stations

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 9:19:58 PM   
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The choice of day had nothing to do with their fucking St. Michael.

I find it hard to believe that the organizers would hijack the catchphrase but the date of the event was pure coincidence.

What's with this "hijack" theme you're pushing? They stole "Blue Lives Matter" from who, precisely? It's a paraphrase. And why would you find it hard to believe that the event's date was a coincidence? Without looking it up, do you know when St. Swithun's Day is? Do you give a shit? Not to mention that every day is St. Michael's Day to the Black Lives Matter movement. They were demanding four and a half minutes of silence in remembrance of St. Michael when they interrupted Bernie Sander's speech.

K.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/12/2015 11:10:52 PM   
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Hijack. Ripoff. The "Cops don't even deserve an original name" foundation.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/13/2015 12:38:50 AM   
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I believe that is up to each of us to make our own lives matter. Government policy and laws have to provide an equal opportunity for that to happen...

I lived a large portion of my life in New York City, and I can remember when some of the low-income housing projects went up. Brand spanking new, and a helluva lot nicer than the crumbling walk-up that I was living in. But it wasn't long before white people from Long Island and Westchester started coming into the city at night, painting gang signs on the buildings, tearing up the lawns, breaking-in to urinate in the hallways and stairwells. Wearing blackface, hoodies, and saggy pants they drove around vandalizing buildings, robbing, beating and killing people.

After a few years those neighborhoods looked like Beirut. And you're right that the government failed, but not for lack of trying. New York invested hundreds of millions of dollars in all kinds of programs trying to enrich the lives of the white people on Long Island and up in Westchester, virtually everything they could think of in an attempt to help them become productive citizens. But nothing seemed to work, and leading intellectuals like Farrakhan and Kambon began to argue that the only solution was to exterminate the white race. I dunno, what do you think?

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/13/2015 4:18:06 AM   
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Can you translate that to English please? Maybe I'm just tired, but I have absolutely no idea wtf you're talking about.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/13/2015 4:44:29 AM   
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I have absolutely no idea wtf you're talking about.

Quelle surprise.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/13/2015 5:20:56 AM   
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I have absolutely no idea wtf you're talking about.

Quelle surprise.

K.



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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/13/2015 7:40:42 AM   
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I lived a large portion of my life in New York City, and I can remember when some of the low-income housing projects went up. Brand spanking new, and a helluva lot nicer than the crumbling walk-up that I was living in. But it wasn't long before white people from Long Island and Westchester started coming into the city at night, painting gang signs on the buildings, tearing up the lawns, breaking-in to urinate in the hallways and stairwells. Wearing blackface, hoodies, and saggy pants they drove around vandalizing buildings, robbing, beating and killing people.

After a few years those neighborhoods looked like Beirut. And you're right that the government failed, but not for lack of trying. New York invested hundreds of millions of dollars in all kinds of programs trying to enrich the lives of the white people on Long Island and up in Westchester, virtually everything they could think of in an attempt to help them become productive citizens. But nothing seemed to work, and leading intellectuals like Farrakhan and Kambon began to argue that the only solution was to exterminate the white race. I dunno, what do you think?

K.




What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

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RE: 'Only Black Lives Matter' Rioters Shut Sanders Down - 8/13/2015 9:55:00 AM   
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What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.


Let me see if I am understanding you right

Spending unspeakable gobs of money, government tried to help. Only problem was that government got in the way, and fucked everything up.

So the obvious solution is higher taxes and more government.

That about sum things up?


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