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Very few made it, but for some time after it was built they tried.

Which was my point...The wall was was successful in requiring all who wished to leave left by the appropriate protocol. Would you hazard a guess as to what the consequences would be if a U.S. citizen left this country through an inappropriate protocol and then tried to return through an appropriate one?

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Are you actually trying to claim that building the wall was a reasonable act by the Russians?

Absolutely...it is their country they can do with it as they choose. Keeping in mind that the Germans were responsible for the deaths of more than 25 million Soviets so what index of kindness should the Soviets have exhibited towards these murdering thugs?

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If so how can you claim that a castle wall is wrong (border security) but prison walls are just fine (Berlin).

I have not made that claim.
I do believe that there are more cost effective ways to deal with the problem of illegal aliens. That if the sanctions against the employers were enforced the illegals would go home on their own nickle and the treasury would be billions of dollars the better for it via the fines and civil forfeitures from the employers of illegal aliens.

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Berlin wall was right, border security is wrong. That is your position, no matter how you spin it.

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I do the difference.

I also get that any such nuances will quickly disappear in the propaganda that the US's enemies will make with a facsimile Iron Curtain decorating the Mexican border. Look at the furore over the abuses in Abu Graigh prison as a guide to what discussion of a 'Mexican Wall' will look and sound like.

One would have to be naive in the extreme to believe otherwise.

So our right to defend ourselves is negated by the possibility that you and our enemies will talk bad about us. Far better to let them destroy our society isn't it. I realize that you wouldn't see the destruction of American society as that big a loss. To bad we don't have a moat filled with sharks like you do.

This is a ridiculous assertion. It is built entirely on the self evidently false equation that not building a wall on the Mexican border equals giving up the right to self defence. Absurd.

I'm simply pointing out the inevitable consequences of building an Iron Curtain type wall along the border as suggested by KenDickey. If you don't like the consequences don't build the wall. Simples isn't it?

The notion that building a wall along the border is the only available option is as silly as it sounds. There are lots of other more humane ways of addressing the issue. Far better for all concerned that discussion addresses those options than building an Iron Curtain type wall.

Let's hear it then...a humane solution that addresses the concerns of those who wish to grant access to a country that so many wish to come to but which also addresses the concerns of those who do not believe in porous borders and believe that people seeking access must do so legally.

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The Russians built their wall to keep their own citizens in..
citizens that were legal citizens of Russia...whether they wanted to be or not.

Wasn't the wall built because Russia,being a socialist country, had footed the bill for the education of the east Germans (not Russian citizens but residents of a conquered nation) who were crossing the border into west Germany to accept jobs offered by U.S. companies and thus skipping out on their obligations to the state for their education?
Russia obviously felt that they had a claim on anything and everything that was in or on their section of the conquered nation...including intellectual talent.

People didn't risk machine gun fire for better jobs.
Are you sure it was the U S military you were in.
And again, who's sock are you?

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In the article I linked to above Reuters called Trump's support for the enforcement of immigration laws and securing our borders "provocative"

Which U.S. laws does Mr. Trumph wish to have the government enforce? The misdemeanors committed by the illegal aliens or the felonies committed by those who employ them?

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Sadly, that was the second most important thing I was looking for in his "plan," and it wasn't there. I'm a supporter of a border wall, but I'm also a supporter of enforcing the current laws against those that knowingly hire illegals, at the very least. I'm also supportive of making those penalties harsher.

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Well I can't speak for anyone else but for me, it's because I have read enough of your posts to know they are filled with bullshit accusations about people you have never met. Several stupid statements like "Why not a wall separating Canada from us?", really? you don't understand why we might be more concerned with illegals from the south? and "Since I do not see many illegal immigrants making their way to places like Honolulu, Fairbanks, and Detroit." Obviously you don't know squat about Detroit. Added to the usual "repubs/tp" are evil and I really don't see the point.

Bullshit, eh? If my posts are full of bullshit, please show me where in the OP of this thread. Since 100% of it was taken directly from two sources: Mr. Trump and myself. No, what you have fault with is that you do not have one clue how to counter....ANYTHING....I stated intelligently.

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Sadly, that was the second most important thing I was looking for in his "plan," and it wasn't there. I'm a supporter of a border wall, but I'm also a supporter of enforcing the current laws against those that knowingly hire illegals, at the very least. I'm also supportive of making those penalties harsher.

How harsh would you make them, specifically?

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Specifically? Not sure. I don't have a number in mind, but it would need to be very stiff, and escalate with repeat offenses.

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The Russians built their wall to keep their own citizens in..
citizens that were legal citizens of Russia...whether they wanted to be or not.

Wasn't the wall built because Russia,being a socialist country, had footed the bill for the education of the east Germans (not Russian citizens but residents of a conquered nation) who were crossing the border into west Germany to accept jobs offered by U.S. companies and thus skipping out on their obligations to the state for their education?
Russia obviously felt that they had a claim on anything and everything that was in or on their section of the conquered nation...including intellectual talent.

People didn't risk machine gun fire for better jobs.
Are you sure it was the U S military you were in.
And again, who's sock are you?

Funny how illegal immigrants risk crime, legal consequences, and even apprehension in this nation, just to come here. They travel hundreds of miles to come here. Over rough terrain. Giving money to less than scrupulous individuals. Women often get raped as payment. Many people never reach the USA alive. Even getting to the border most still have to cross some of the huge uncivilized areas that are dangerous for even day hikers. Then, they have to blend in to society.

Why did they flee from where they lived? I do not see a single Republican or Tea Partier advocating sending the US Military into that country to 'fuck shit up' and make it safe for the people, do I? No, all their time and energy seems to be spent doing so towards Iran. What does Iran have that most Central and Southern American nations do not have: OIL

People are fleeing to this nation, because it is safe. Safe from crime, drugs, war, poverty, and those that hate others. Once here, they find the same shit is taking place. Yet, they would rather stay here than go back. Why is that?

Why are you against the idea of illegal immigrants becoming US Citizens? So they pay a stiff fine for the illegal crossing. Now they are on our side against the evils tyrants on the other. Aren't we the land of the free and proud?

I can ask you logical question after logical question. And you do not have any real, worthy, answers.

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Specifically? Not sure. I don't have a number in mind, but it would need to be very stiff, and escalate with repeat offenses.

Let's kick this around a bit...what do you think about six months or a year in prison for the first offense for say less than 100 illegal alien employees...and some kind of fine say $1000 per head?

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Sadly, that was the second most important thing I was looking for in his "plan," and it wasn't there. I'm a supporter of a border wall, but I'm also a supporter of enforcing the current laws against those that knowingly hire illegals, at the very least. I'm also supportive of making those penalties harsher.

How harsh would you make them, specifically?

Specifically? Not sure. I don't have a number in mind, but it would need to be very stiff, and escalate with repeat offenses.

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For the record: I HATE NATIVIST ASSHOLES. The are the most UNAMERICAN of all Americans.

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MUST-SEE: Black Woman Rips Council over Illegal Aliens

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LOS ANGELES — Chanell Temple, a black woman originally from Huntington Park, delivered a strident, politically incorrect speech against illegal immigration on Monday evening at the local city council meeting.

Temple, who now lives in the Hawthorne area of Los Angeles, was protesting the council’s recent decision to appoint two illegal aliens to city commissions. She told Breitbart News she had not intended to speak at the meeting, but was offended when someone compared illegal aliens to slaves. She added that she supports Donald Trump “a hundred percent"

Here are her full remarks (in video and transcript...

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For the record: I HATE NATIVIST ASSHOLES. The are the most UNAMERICAN of all Americans.

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Simple, increase them till they work.