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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 9:32:31 AM   
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It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.

Hardly, would it mean that abortion was outlawed, no.
Would it mean that nobody else would perform abortions, no.
Would it mean that we, as a nation, stood against the selling of body parts, yes.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 9:35:17 AM   
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Yet, oddly enough...cloud is a white male.

With a terminal case of white guilt.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 9:49:06 AM   
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It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.



Somebody is going to put Baby in the corner?

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 9:56:05 AM   
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It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.



Somebody is going to put Baby in the corner?

LOL
People seem to forget that the push for the government to stop subsidizing PP (defunding it not really accurate) is PP selling body parts, you would think that even CB would be appalled by this and demand action. Of course PP is on the far left can do no wrong list.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 9:57:13 AM   
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Or so he claims.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 10:03:30 AM   
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Yet, oddly enough...cloud is a white male.

Or so he claims.



you boys playing big bad doms?...you think you are intimidating?
oh what a joke.




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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 11:29:03 AM   
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It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.

Hardly, would it mean that abortion was outlawed, no.
Would it mean that nobody else would perform abortions, no.
Would it mean that we, as a nation, stood against the selling of body parts, yes.


You really have a lack of an education and understanding of circumstances as it relates to women. No sane individual would be in favor of abortion 'just for the hell of it'. Yet, there are circumstances and situations in which such an action is a possibility. You have lived long enough by now to understand that life is not perfect. Nor is anyone perfect. That when you examine the individual people and their unique position in life or the circumstances that have brought them to this decision; you too, would understand decision was not given without deep thought and consideration.

I knew a friend that has a child form of cancer. She had gone twenty four years of agonizing surgeries and chemo. She state she would get an abortion if she were to ever have child. Not because she was not sure if she could care for the child properly or would even be alive that long; she didn't want that child to suffer the way she has her whole life.

Outlawing abortion would do nothing but place women at more risk then less. At least right now its under a doctor's supervision. Yes, many of us on the left dislike the practice, but we understand....WHY....it should be legal and available.

Selling of body parts in the United States of America is one that is done legally and illegally. Just like prescription drugs. The legel side is HEAVILY define in ethics and legal regulations. The illegal side of it it, is of course not restricted to ethics or laws. Why is this process performed?

In some cases to help other humans whom have a bad organ get a replacement. In others, to provide medical research in an effort to discover better treatments and drugs. Many of the drugs you take right now, BamaD, were discovered by using said drugs on human body parts to determine their effects. Or is your life not important to have your viewpoints?

The attacks towards PPH come from a set of videos created by a right wing organisation. They took a three hour, under cover video of chats with executives from PPH. Then they editted the material to push a complete falsehood onto the public. Of course...*ALL*...the conservative media showed just the five videos...*NOT*...the three hour version. Nor even stated there was a three hour version. An how do I know this? I created a thread on this forum about it. I gave the link for three hour video. And even blasted all those conservative media for falsifying the information. Why did they do this? To push a political agenda. That's right, you got suckered into a political agenda because you were not well informed!




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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 11:31:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Spoken like a true sub. TY BOY

Yet, oddly enough...cloud is a white male.

Or so he claims.



you boys playing big bad doms?...you think you are intimidating?
oh what a joke.





They probably never dealt with a real sub.....

Since most of the real subs on here have been beating them down for years.....

Do these guys have safewords? Of course they do. Its when they start insulting and attacking people due to 'lack of a decent argument'.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 12:12:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.

Hardly, would it mean that abortion was outlawed, no.
Would it mean that nobody else would perform abortions, no.
Would it mean that we, as a nation, stood against the selling of body parts, yes.


You really have a lack of an education and understanding of circumstances as it relates to women. No sane individual would be in favor of abortion 'just for the hell of it'. Yet, there are circumstances and situations in which such an action is a possibility. You have lived long enough by now to understand that life is not perfect. Nor is anyone perfect. That when you examine the individual people and their unique position in life or the circumstances that have brought them to this decision; you too, would understand decision was not given without deep thought and consideration.

I knew a friend that has a child form of cancer. She had gone twenty four years of agonizing surgeries and chemo. She state she would get an abortion if she were to ever have child. Not because she was not sure if she could care for the child properly or would even be alive that long; she didn't want that child to suffer the way she has her whole life.

Outlawing abortion would do nothing but place women at more risk then less. At least right now its under a doctor's supervision. Yes, many of us on the left dislike the practice, but we understand....WHY....it should be legal and available.

Selling of body parts in the United States of America is one that is done legally and illegally. Just like prescription drugs. The legel side is HEAVILY define in ethics and legal regulations. The illegal side of it it, is of course not restricted to ethics or laws. Why is this process performed?

In some cases to help other humans whom have a bad organ get a replacement. In others, to provide medical research in an effort to discover better treatments and drugs. Many of the drugs you take right now, BamaD, were discovered by using said drugs on human body parts to determine their effects. Or is your life not important to have your viewpoints?

The attacks towards PPH come from a set of videos created by a right wing organisation. They took a three hour, under cover video of chats with executives from PPH. Then they editted the material to push a complete falsehood onto the public. Of course...*ALL*...the conservative media showed just the five videos...*NOT*...the three hour version. Nor even stated there was a three hour version. An how do I know this? I created a thread on this forum about it. I gave the link for three hour video. And even blasted all those conservative media for falsifying the information. Why did they do this? To push a political agenda. That's right, you got suckered into a political agenda because you were not well informed!





Your whole thread is based on the absurd notion that the problem with PP is an attempt to ban abortion. If you has actually paid attention you would know that this is a pro-abortion lie. Since your rant is based on you believing a lie (note I did not say you lied, just that you believed one) the rest of your rant goes straight to the trash bin.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 1:44:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.

Hardly, would it mean that abortion was outlawed, no.
Would it mean that nobody else would perform abortions, no.
Would it mean that we, as a nation, stood against the selling of body parts, yes.


You really have a lack of an education and understanding of circumstances as it relates to women. No sane individual would be in favor of abortion 'just for the hell of it'. Yet, there are circumstances and situations in which such an action is a possibility. You have lived long enough by now to understand that life is not perfect. Nor is anyone perfect. That when you examine the individual people and their unique position in life or the circumstances that have brought them to this decision; you too, would understand decision was not given without deep thought and consideration.

I knew a friend that has a child form of cancer. She had gone twenty four years of agonizing surgeries and chemo. She state she would get an abortion if she were to ever have child. Not because she was not sure if she could care for the child properly or would even be alive that long; she didn't want that child to suffer the way she has her whole life.

Outlawing abortion would do nothing but place women at more risk then less. At least right now its under a doctor's supervision. Yes, many of us on the left dislike the practice, but we understand....WHY....it should be legal and available.

Selling of body parts in the United States of America is one that is done legally and illegally. Just like prescription drugs. The legel side is HEAVILY define in ethics and legal regulations. The illegal side of it it, is of course not restricted to ethics or laws. Why is this process performed?

In some cases to help other humans whom have a bad organ get a replacement. In others, to provide medical research in an effort to discover better treatments and drugs. Many of the drugs you take right now, BamaD, were discovered by using said drugs on human body parts to determine their effects. Or is your life not important to have your viewpoints?

The attacks towards PPH come from a set of videos created by a right wing organisation. They took a three hour, under cover video of chats with executives from PPH. Then they editted the material to push a complete falsehood onto the public. Of course...*ALL*...the conservative media showed just the five videos...*NOT*...the three hour version. Nor even stated there was a three hour version. An how do I know this? I created a thread on this forum about it. I gave the link for three hour video. And even blasted all those conservative media for falsifying the information. Why did they do this? To push a political agenda. That's right, you got suckered into a political agenda because you were not well informed!


Your whole thread is based on the absurd notion that the problem with PP is an attempt to ban abortion. If you has actually paid attention you would know that this is a pro-abortion lie. Since your rant is based on you believing a lie (note I did not say you lied, just that you believed one) the rest of your rant goes straight to the trash bin.


Belief of a lie, eh? Check out the mirror where you live if you want an example of someone whom was 'monarched' by the GOP to do and say what they want.....

If what I stated was a lie, then you have....SOLID....evidence then the following is not true:

A ) The ethical discussion of human body parts usage has never taken place in any medical journal for the last eighty years.

B ) That the three hour video that I linked, doesn't exist; even though the five edited videos by a right wing organization based on that three hour video, do exist....

C ) PPH has performed no criminal activity to date. That when it has been investigated, it has complied with law enforcement to the extend of their 5th amendment rights.

'Good Luck' on your argument there. We both know you do not have an argument here. So why the bullshit?


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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 1:53:22 PM   
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The thread isn't about illegality. It is about what if PPH went away and what would probably happen. I believe that the ACA covers it so no problem.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 3:21:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
It would be like Dirty Dancing all over again.

Hardly, would it mean that abortion was outlawed, no.
Would it mean that nobody else would perform abortions, no.
Would it mean that we, as a nation, stood against the selling of body parts, yes.


You really have a lack of an education and understanding of circumstances as it relates to women. No sane individual would be in favor of abortion 'just for the hell of it'. Yet, there are circumstances and situations in which such an action is a possibility. You have lived long enough by now to understand that life is not perfect. Nor is anyone perfect. That when you examine the individual people and their unique position in life or the circumstances that have brought them to this decision; you too, would understand decision was not given without deep thought and consideration.

I knew a friend that has a child form of cancer. She had gone twenty four years of agonizing surgeries and chemo. She state she would get an abortion if she were to ever have child. Not because she was not sure if she could care for the child properly or would even be alive that long; she didn't want that child to suffer the way she has her whole life.

Outlawing abortion would do nothing but place women at more risk then less. At least right now its under a doctor's supervision. Yes, many of us on the left dislike the practice, but we understand....WHY....it should be legal and available.

Selling of body parts in the United States of America is one that is done legally and illegally. Just like prescription drugs. The legel side is HEAVILY define in ethics and legal regulations. The illegal side of it it, is of course not restricted to ethics or laws. Why is this process performed?

In some cases to help other humans whom have a bad organ get a replacement. In others, to provide medical research in an effort to discover better treatments and drugs. Many of the drugs you take right now, BamaD, were discovered by using said drugs on human body parts to determine their effects. Or is your life not important to have your viewpoints?

The attacks towards PPH come from a set of videos created by a right wing organisation. They took a three hour, under cover video of chats with executives from PPH. Then they editted the material to push a complete falsehood onto the public. Of course...*ALL*...the conservative media showed just the five videos...*NOT*...the three hour version. Nor even stated there was a three hour version. An how do I know this? I created a thread on this forum about it. I gave the link for three hour video. And even blasted all those conservative media for falsifying the information. Why did they do this? To push a political agenda. That's right, you got suckered into a political agenda because you were not well informed!


Your whole thread is based on the absurd notion that the problem with PP is an attempt to ban abortion. If you has actually paid attention you would know that this is a pro-abortion lie. Since your rant is based on you believing a lie (note I did not say you lied, just that you believed one) the rest of your rant goes straight to the trash bin.


Belief of a lie, eh? Check out the mirror where you live if you want an example of someone whom was 'monarched' by the GOP to do and say what they want.....

If what I stated was a lie, then you have....SOLID....evidence then the following is not true:

A ) The ethical discussion of human body parts usage has never taken place in any medical journal for the last eighty years.

B ) That the three hour video that I linked, doesn't exist; even though the five edited videos by a right wing organization based on that three hour video, do exist....

C ) PPH has performed no criminal activity to date. That when it has been investigated, it has complied with law enforcement to the extend of their 5th amendment rights.

'Good Luck' on your argument there. We both know you do not have an argument here. So why the bullshit?



You made the accusation, and as with most things you seem to think that if you repeat it enough times people will believe you. Prove it was faked, you can't, former employees of PP have verified it. PP has tried to spin what they were doing, if they weren't doing it they wouldn't have to spin it, you, like CB seem to have PP on the can do no wrong list. As you said before the left can control what it's people say, did you get orders from your supreme soviet?

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 4:14:01 PM   
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Under current law, if Planned Parenthood were to be defunded, Obamacare should pick up the medical expenses for abortions.

Unless your employer is religiously offended by it. Or uses religion as a pretext for lower costs, or to keep a certain type of woman out of their workplace.

Or if your state legislature has decided to opt out of abortion coverage.

There may be an issue if your ACA plan is subsidized as well, due to the Hyde Amendment's legacy. Of course if you're on Medicaid, elective abortion isn't covered either. Hyde Amendment again.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:10:09 PM   
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Under current law, if Planned Parenthood were to be defunded, Obamacare should pick up the medical expenses for abortions.

Unless your employer is religiously offended by it. Or uses religion as a pretext for lower costs, or to keep a certain type of woman out of their workplace.

Or if your state legislature has decided to opt out of abortion coverage.

There may be an issue if your ACA plan is subsidized as well, due to the Hyde Amendment's legacy. Of course if you're on Medicaid, elective abortion isn't covered either. Hyde Amendment again.

I don't know. Maybe I missed it. Where did it say that it was illegal to get one under ACA whether you pay part, all or none?

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:21:59 PM   
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why do you want to defund planned parenthood?


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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:30:57 PM   
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why do you want to defund planned parenthood?


cost savings. they can operate like any other non-profit then.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:32:42 PM   
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cost savings??
you are a liar.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:35:37 PM   
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cost savings??
you are a liar.

It is true that I don't approve of abortions but don't stop them either.

But if the tax payer gives them money and then stops it really is a cost savings. Might not be a whole hell of a lot but it really is beautiful :D

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:44:34 PM   
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BTW and for the record. Would I donate to planned parenthood? The answer is a resounding yes.

I had a grand daughter who started her period at 10. They happened every 2 weeks. Additionally she had cramps badly each time. Her mom took her to the doc who said she should be put on birth control to level her out. Mom took no action. I was not her legal guardian so I couldn't take her to the doc. So I took her to PPH. The put her on them. I would have gladly paid full price out of my pocket and I did donate regularly. Mom or Grandma neither one told her about Midal so I had to tell her and to educate her on the facts of life. From her perspective how woud you like to learn the facts of life from a grandparent of the opposite sex.

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RE: What would happen if we defunded planned parenthood? - 8/28/2015 6:44:50 PM   
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the tax payer doesnt pay for abortions.
Hyde amendment.
Now what about the other 93% of stuff they do...
Having insurance is one thing. There are still millions of people not covered by ACA who need "free health care that PP provides.
Why take away funding when it works for millions of people a year.
That you dont like abortion is not a good reason to deny people a place to go for care that already exists.



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