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blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/6/2015 3:44:01 PM)

so maybe you did not find those words either, right? I wonder where they came from ...

what could those be for then: generous and lavish embellishments?




tweakabelle -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 5:52:55 AM)

Congratulations Sanity you have managed to turn a thread about destitute refugees fleeing war and disaster into something all about you. Such a notable intellectual achievement to upstage homeless and destitute refugees, people without a voice of their own. I'm sure it will garner you all the respect it deserves though there might be more than one opinion about precisely how much respect is appropriate in this instance.

It seems the flood of sympathy for the refugees has melted one of the hardest hearts - that of the most virulently anti-refugee politician, the Australian PM Abbott. Abbott has been forced to concede that Australia will up its intake of refugees from Syria, though true to form, this will be achieved at the expense of other refugees from elsewhere who will lose spots on our refugee intake system, and not by expanding the total intake of refugees. I suppose I shouldn't be too critical, it is an advance in its own way. And a climbdown of monumental proportions from someone who last week was lecturing Europeans that the only way to cope was to stop the refugee boats completely by adopting the same brutal punitive policies that Abbott has introduced here - turning the boats around sending them back to wherever they came from and legislating to remove the right and the possibility of asylum to any one arriving unlawfully (ie all boat refugees) and holding all refugees in mandatory detention in appalling (concentration) camps on poverty stricken Pacific islands until they are forced to agree to go elsewhere.

Here, we are witnessing the same outpouring of sympathy for refugees among the people. This is a big deal here, as refugees have been cynically used by right wing elements to spread fear and hate, and up to now, have not enjoyed the sympathy of all Australians. Abbott's brutal approach enjoyed some support in the community though many of us were horrified by them. So even in the midst of this horrendous suffering there are a few bright spots that give one confidence that humanity and human values will triumph in the end.




Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 6:36:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

a thread about destitute refugees fleeing war and disaster

Yeah well, not quite. The family was living in Turkey, not Syria, and had been for three years. [1] They hadn't applied for asylum in Canada. [2] And the reason the father wanted to go to Europe was to get his teeth fixed. [3]

1. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/father-drowned-boy-aylan-kurdi-return-syria
2. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/europe-migrants-canada-idUSL1N1191PZ20150903
3. http://www.wsj.com/articles/image-of-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-hits-hard-1441282847

Carry on.

K.




Sanity -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 6:36:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Congratulations Sanity you have managed to turn a thread about destitute refugees fleeing war and disaster into something all about you. Such a notable intellectual achievement to upstage homeless and destitute refugees, people without a voice of their own. I'm sure it will garner you all the respect it deserves though there might be more than one opinion about precisely how much respect is appropriate in this instance.

It seems the flood of sympathy for the refugees has melted one of the hardest hearts - that of the most virulently anti-refugee politician, the Australian PM Abbott. Abbott has been forced to concede that Australia will up its intake of refugees from Syria, though true to form, this will be achieved at the expense of other refugees from elsewhere who will lose spots on our refugee intake system, and not by expanding the total intake of refugees. I suppose I shouldn't be too critical, it is an advance in its own way. And a climbdown of monumental proportions from someone who last week was lecturing Europeans that the only way to cope was to stop the refugee boats completely by adopting the same brutal punitive policies that Abbott has introduced here - turning the boats around sending them back to wherever they came from and legislating to remove the right and the possibility of asylum to any one arriving unlawfully (ie all boat refugees) and holding all refugees in mandatory detention in appalling (concentration) camps on poverty stricken Pacific islands until they are forced to agree to go elsewhere.

Here, we are witnessing the same outpouring of sympathy for refugees among the people. This is a big deal here, as refugees have been cynically used by right wing elements to spread fear and hate, and up to now, have not enjoyed the sympathy of all Australians. Abbott's brutal approach enjoyed some support in the community though many of us were horrified by them. So even in the midst of this horrendous suffering there are a few bright spots that give one confidence that humanity and human values will triumph in the end.


Little leftist trolls like you dont care about the harm Islamists inflict on the innocents they encounter

[img]http://ste.india.com/sites/default/files/2014/09/15/273455-is700.jpg[/img]

You just want to selectively use the image of that kid to try to throw the Wests borders wide open, so our world can become more like theirs





Sanity -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 7:44:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

a thread about destitute refugees fleeing war and disaster

Yeah well, not quite. The family was living in Turkey, not Syria, and had been for three years. [1] They hadn't applied for asylum in Canada. [2] And the reason the father wanted to go to Europe was to get his teeth fixed. [3]

1. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/father-drowned-boy-aylan-kurdi-return-syria
2. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/europe-migrants-canada-idUSL1N1191PZ20150903
3. http://www.wsj.com/articles/image-of-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-hits-hard-1441282847

Carry on.

K.



Propaganda? From tweakerbell?

I am shocked.




Lucylastic -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 8:05:09 AM)

To ignore the fact thats its about more than just the dead boy is facetious.
He was one of many who died. Ignoratti is in full swing.




Sanity -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 8:25:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

To ignore the fact thats its about more than just the dead boy is facetious.
He was one of many who died. Ignoratti is in full swing.


I am the one you mindless little trolls have been relentlessly attacking for posting about the greater issue over there, sweet pea

But dont let the facts get in the way of your garish stupidity




PeonForHer -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 10:39:08 AM)

I suppose I shouldn't be astonished any more. But you write this

quote:

Little leftist trolls like you dont care about the harm Islamists inflict on the innocents they encounter


... coupled with a big, fat lurid graphic.

And in your *very next post* you say,

quote:

Propaganda? From tweakerbell?

I am shocked.


I mean, strewth, Sanity, you could at least try to make it *look* less deranged.




blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 10:55:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

a thread about destitute refugees fleeing war and disaster

Yeah well, not quite. The family was living in Turkey, not Syria, and had been for three years. [1] They hadn't applied for asylum in Canada. [2] And the reason the father wanted to go to Europe was to get his teeth fixed. [3]

1. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/father-drowned-boy-aylan-kurdi-return-syria
2. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/europe-migrants-canada-idUSL1N1191PZ20150903
3. http://www.wsj.com/articles/image-of-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-hits-hard-1441282847

Carry on.

K.




well thanks for the links - after reading them those things you claim as solid facts appear very contradictory - not the least where the family lived when and for how long ... and I guess if he really went just to get his damaged teeth fixed, he would hardly have taken his sons with him




PeonForHer -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 11:16:47 AM)

quote:


well thanks for the links - after reading them those things you claim as solid facts appear very contradictory - not the least where the family lived when and for how long ... and I guess if he really went just to get his damaged teeth fixed, he would hardly have taken his sons with him


Assumptions! You or I wouldn't put our families at great risk for the sake of our teeth - but we're talking about Johnny Foreigner here. Those people don't have ordinary human motivations!




blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:10:24 PM)

well one of the problems might be that these people might just claim they d have ordinary human rights any way - even with foreign bad teeth




thompsonx -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:17:46 PM)

Let me guess the reason you don't have a gun in your hand and your boots on the ground over in the sandbox is because you have to wait for the cable guy or for your nails to dry?




cloudboy -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:20:36 PM)


Pulled this from the comments on a rightist Washington Post editorial:


If Obama announced tomorrow that he was going to allow a mass Syrian immigration into the United States we would know instantly who really doesn't care about the suffering refugees. And if he declared war on Syria we would know instantly who would support it. And they would all be from the same nasty, negative party.




blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:24:52 PM)

I guess the posters on this board know already - so (at least) no urgent need to declare war on Syria (whom in Syria? ... there is a wide selection to choose from ...)




thompsonx -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:26:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph

so maybe you did not find those words either, right? I wonder where they came from ...

what could those be for then: generous and lavish embellishments?


Most of us refer to them as fucking lies.
I think you are just trying to be polite.





JVoV -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:28:52 PM)

The US already brings in roughly 70,000 refugees each year. The background check is rather extensive though, and the paperwork can take up to 2 years. The State Department is already considering allowing more from Syria, but the applications haven't been in the system long enough to even begin processing them.




cloudboy -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:43:29 PM)

The interview for asylum cases used to take place about 3-4 months after filing. Now the interview is pushed out to about two years.




JVoV -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 12:54:00 PM)

You'd probably know better than me. What's the holdup? Just a backlog?




blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 1:12:16 PM)

just a few EU figures for comparison, and an update

Asylum seeking:
2014: EU 625.000 in total; Germany 202.000

(estimate for 2015: EU in total 800 000)
Jan-Jul 2015: Germany 215.000

no reliable figures for Aug yet

last weekend: Germany c40.000 (arrivals at Munich central station only)

after the August heat wave there might be the first night with temperatures close to or below zero °C tonight and there are about estimated another 40.000 on the move from Greece to Germany, with no shelter

that's the situation at the moment





cloudboy -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (9/7/2015 4:33:49 PM)


Backlog.




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