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crumpets -> RE: Oral Sex (Calling Ron!!) (9/22/2015 9:31:01 PM)
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
Have you been a woman?
Um. No.
I didn't look at your profile, but I'll assume you're female, and that you have never been a man either.
I can only speak for me in this specific case, but if you said I sucked at cunnilingus, I'd ask what I could improve.
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
Therefore there is NO way for you to feel a woman's lived experience, at all, full stop.
I do get your point. But you need to get mine.
Your point is that male egos are fragile when a woman tells him, specifically, he sucks at cunnilingus (I think that's your point anyway).
My point is that if a woman told me that, I'd shrug my shoulders and decide whether I felt like giving her BETTER cunnilingus or not.
If I got the vibes that she WANTED it, but only wanted me to be better - I'd take that as simple constructive criticism. No need to beat around the bush.
In fact, I've had plenty of women tell me to slow down or speed up or stay right there, so, women aren't shy at all about telling me what to do with my tongue - so - I just don't have any experience with the "fragile male ego" you seem to describe.
I'm sure it exists, just like I'm sure OJ Simpson killed his wife and then put his name on the book.
But, it's not my experience.
Of course, your point is that I am not a woman - but - as a guy - why don't "I" have such a fragile male ego when a woman tells me I suck at sex?
I don't think anyone has ever told me that, but, I certainly have cum early or too late (or never at all) or in the middle of her orgasm, etc., since these things happen - and - well - I just chalk it up to what happened happened - and I strive to do better next time.
In fact, there have been a few cases where I came too early, especially when I was a lot younger, and, well, I just resolved to do better next time. I'm sure there have been times when I was with a women who didn't orgasm, but who may have faked it (some of those screams sound fake even when they're real, whereas we guys just grunt commensurate with the effort involved).
Let's assume 10% of the women I have been with faked their orgasm. So what? So they faked it. So I wasn't "good enough" for them. Big deal. I would just strive to do better next time. I'd ask what they like, how they like it, and try to do it better for them. What's the problem with good healthy dialog?
Are you saying men, in general, are afraid of corrective advice?
NOTE: I ask directions when I'm lost. I have never understood the common saying that men don't do that. I ask all the time. Even when I know pretty much where I'm going, I ask. I even ride my motorcycle up on the sidewalk to ask bystanders for advice.
You can't count the number of Usenet posts I made just today, asking for advice on dozens of topics.
Yet, I hear all the time (from women) that men don't ask for help or advice?
So, I have no experience with this "fragile ego" you are talking about in men.
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
It seems you owe several people an apology for insulting their low-IQs
If someone can't spell "their/there" correctly, and they spell "sense" as "sence" (both of which happened today for example, in the prior thread I posted to), then they certainly are too stupid to handle any level of detail.
Why should I apologize for that opinion?
It's true.
(Note: The occasional typo and mis-spelling befalls all of us at one time or another; but this is endemic stuff we're talking about here.)
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
and inability to "see things that you do" "and playing to the croud",
It's clear as day I'm NOT playing to the croud [sic], just as it's clear the clever souls here who DO play to the crowd aren't telling the truth.
That you don't see things how I see them would only mean that we're both intelligent enough to own educated opinions on the topic.
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
A woman telling you that she has to molly-coddle men who are bad at eating pussy, because she fears his reaction, has in fact had the experience of men's egos being unable to take it.
I have my own experience to go on. Nobody needs to "molly coddle" me.
But, I have the ability to learn, and to ask, and to take advice, and to seek constructive criticism; so, maybe that's the difference.
Maybe I'm not a man.
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