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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 12:10:26 PM   
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You have mentioned that there are other causes for the over representation of blacks in prison but so far have not felt it important enough to share.

You haven't been reading the thread. I suggest you get off your horse and pick up around posts #49 and #50.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 12:43:50 PM   
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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 12:50:55 PM   
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You have mentioned that there are other causes for the over representation of blacks in prison but so far have not felt it important enough to share.

You haven't been reading the thread. I suggest you get off your horse and pick up around posts #49 and #50.

K.

poverty, unemployment, lack of opportunity, etc.






Unless you can find a similar metric for other ethnicities poverty unemployment,lack of opportunity can be traced directly to racism...have you something more under "etc"?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 1:02:55 PM   
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poverty, unemployment, lack of opportunity, etc.

poverty unemployment,lack of opportunity can be traced directly to racism...

Poverty, unemployment, and lack of opportunity afflict people all over the world, including poor whites here in the United States. They are not ipso facto evidence of racial oppression. Poverty, unemployment, and lack of opportunity have many inputs, often most significantly from the poor, the unemployed, and the unemployable themselves.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 1:28:56 PM   
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Poverty, unemployment, and lack of opportunity afflict people all over the world, including poor whites here in the United States.


Are poor whites incarcerated at the same rate as blacks? Are poor whites shot by police at the same rate as blacks?



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They are not ipso facto evidence of a "racist" oppressor.



As you are well aware I did not say that. I said unless you can find a similar metric for other ethnicities, poverty unemployment,lack of opportunity can be traced directly to racism...have you something more under "etc"?


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They have many inputs, including from the poor, the unemployed, and the unemployable themselves.


They who, have many inputs? They who, hear what, from the unemployed and the unemployable themselves?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 1:57:02 PM   
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Are poor whites incarcerated at the same rate as blacks? Are poor whites shot by police at the same rate as blacks?

Back to thumping racially disaggregated data like it was a Bible. Well, I can only hope you'll pardon me. I thought I was somewhere else. I'll just slip out quietly and leave you and your congregation (if you have one) to sing your closing hymn.

K.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 2:06:26 PM   
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I'll just slip out quietly

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You are free to leave anytime you feel unable or unqualified to discuss this subject. While you are away you may consider spending some time trying to find something to support your opinions. As always, it has been a pleasure.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 2:21:15 PM   
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I'll just slip out quietly

You are free to leave anytime you feel unable or unqualified to discuss this subject.

You are ill informed. I'm free to leave or continue at any time for any reasons that suit me, and you don't get to define or restrict them.

K.



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 2:35:08 PM   
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I'll just slip out quietly

You are free to leave anytime you feel unable or unqualified to discuss this subject.

You are ill informed. I'm free to leave at any time for any variety of reasons, and you don't get to define or restrict them.

K.



I am informed enough to note that you have failed to substantiate your opinions so it would follow that you would leave for those reasons. You are correct in that you are an adult and may do as you choose.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 2:40:09 PM   
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I am informed enough to note that you have failed to substantiate your opinions

And I am familiar with your dancing act....
    Until substantive evidence is produced to the contrary that will have to remain simply your opinion.
    Evidence to the contrary isn't required when a claim has no evidence supporting it in the first place.
    The evidence is prima facia and stands as fact until rebuted.
    Disparities in data disaggregated by race are not evidence of disparities due to race.
    Until proof of contrary interpretation is submitted that would remain simply your opinion.
    Evidence to the contrary isn't required when a claim has no evidence supporting it in the first place.
    The evidence is prima facia and stands as fact until rebuted.
    Disparities in data disaggregated by race are not evidence of disparities due to race.
    Until proof of contrary interpretation is submitted that would remain simply your opinion.
Try it on the road. Break it in a little.

K.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 3:17:37 PM   
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I'll just slip out quietly

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Let me run you through the dance steps again

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I do not think you know what you're talking about.

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You are ill informed.



Just slipping out quietly was obviously just another opinion unsubstantiated by fact.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 3:22:08 PM   
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I'll just slip out quietly

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Let me run you through the dance steps again

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I do not think you know what you're talking about.

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You are ill informed.


Just slipping out quietly?

I'm in no rush. Why, do you have an appointment or something?

K.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/17/2015 3:24:49 PM   
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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 1:46:57 PM   
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Welcome back. Have you brought some evidence to validate your opinions?

Disparities in data disaggregated by race are not evidence of disparities due to race. In social data disaggregated by race, race is an unavoidably overloaded proxy for multiple other factors. Until you identify them and control for them, you cannot say how much of the disparity (if any at all) is due to race qua race.

Please don't continue to embarrass yourself.

K.





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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 1:57:44 PM   
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Welcome back. Have you brought some evidence to validate your opinions?

Disparities in data disaggregated by race are not evidence of disparities due to race. In social data disaggregated by race, race is an unavoidably overloaded proxy for multiple other factors. Until you identify them and control for them, you cannot say how much of the disparity (if any at all) is due to race qua race.

Please don't continue to embarrass yourself.

K.





Does he want affirmative action convictions of more white people regardless of guilt or does he want affirmative action acquittals of blacks, regardless of guilt.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 2:41:15 PM   
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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 3:03:05 PM   
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one possible explanation, though I think lack of logic is a good one too, is that what they want is to continue to paint conservatives, and republicans, as racists.

Yes but I was showing how stupid his argument is.
The real reason for the disparity in inprisonmnet is the disparity in commission of crimes. But people who hate everything project that onto everyone else.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 6:36:06 PM   
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Welcome back. Have you brought some evidence to validate your opinions?

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Disparities in data disaggregated by race are not evidence of disparities due to race. In social data disaggregated by race, race is an unavoidably overloaded proxy for multiple other factors. Until you identify them and control for them, you cannot say how much of the disparity (if any at all) is due to race qua race.
You are the one who claims that these factors affect the incarceration rate yet you fail to demonstrate any link. Should you do so it might make your opinions more substantial. Continuing to repeat your mantra would be prima facia evidence that you have no evidence to support your opinions.
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Please don't continue to embarrass yourself.

 
The only one being embaressed is the one who keeps posting his opinions without any validation.





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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 6:41:45 PM   
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Does he want affirmative action convictions of more white people regardless of guilt or does he want affirmative action acquittals of blacks, regardless of guilt.


Once again you open your mouth only to change feet.
Had you read the doj report on fergustan you would have noticed that the black people in fergustan who had been illegally ticketed had their tickets exonerated. Does that offend you?  If there are indictments handed down for the judge and prosecutor and cops etc., who ran an extortion racket  to the tune of 2 million dollars a year, would that offend your punk ass?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/19/2015 6:56:19 PM   
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one possible explanation, though I think lack of logic is a good one too, is that what they want is to continue to paint conservatives, and republicans, as racists.


Are there conservatives and republicans who are racists?
“I hear you loud and clear, Barack Obama. You don’t represent the country that I grew up with. And your values is [sic] not going to save us. We’re going to take this country back for the Lord. We’re going to try to take this country back for conservatism. And we’re not going to allow minorities to run roughshod over what you people believe in!”
  • Jason Rapert, Arkansas State Senator republican, 2011

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