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thompsonx -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 7:03:47 PM)

"I don need no stinkin' trigger locks"




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 7:04:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed.
When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it.
However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided.


Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report?


Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns.

Oops, need to clarify-I was asking about trigger locks. I remember reading about the Consumer Reports results when they were published. I just would have thought that there would have been some improvement in trigger locks spurred on by the report.

Just found a 2013 slate report in the same vein.




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 7:08:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed.
When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it.
However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided.


Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report?


Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns.

Oops, need to clarify-I was asking about trigger locks. I remember reading about the Consumer Reports results when they were published. I just would have thought that there would have been some improvement in trigger locks spurred on by the report.

You might find this useful.

www.homesecurityguru.com/trigger-locks





KenDckey -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/24/2015 1:11:32 AM)

Been on vacation (had to take wife to dr - she is ok - and spent time with family) so haven't read entire thread.

I learned to shoot at the National Guard Armory with Guard instructors. We used 22 cal single shot bolt action rifles and were indoors. When I was 12, I was visiting my great uncle in OK. He was a rancher. He took me out on the back porch to shoot my first shotgun. It was an 8 guage. Shooting enthusiasts know that the 8 guage is the most powerful. It lifted me up off the ground and into the back door. My arm hurt for a couple weeks. Was a wonderful lesson.

My dad had a colt 44 attached to his saddle when he was cowboying. Used it to put down cattle and horses that were injured out in the desert. I don't think he ever fired it. When he sold the saddle it went with it after we moved to town he never allowed guns in the house. Not even a BB gun. He saw guns as a tool and impressed that upon me.

Bows are legal at about all ages. The difference between a bow/arrow and a rifle/pistol is range and depending upon the weapon rate of fire. With practice comes accuracy. Both are deadly weapons in the right and sometimes wrong hands. I was shot in the neck with a target arrow that richoched off the ground in high school by one of the "archers" (no damage, didn't even break the skin).

I support all training classes. I don't care what the subject from woodworking and home ec to big bertha. that is how most of us learn things.

I support all training.




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/24/2015 1:20:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Been on vacation (had to take wife to dr - she is ok - and spent time with family) so haven't read entire thread.

I learned to shoot at the National Guard Armory with Guard instructors. We used 22 cal single shot bolt action rifles and were indoors. When I was 12, I was visiting my great uncle in OK. He was a rancher. He took me out on the back porch to shoot my first shotgun. It was an 8 guage. Shooting enthusiasts know that the 8 guage is the most powerful. It lifted me up off the ground and into the back door. My arm hurt for a couple weeks. Was a wonderful lesson.

My dad had a colt 44 attached to his saddle when he was cowboying. Used it to put down cattle and horses that were injured out in the desert. I don't think he ever fired it. When he sold the saddle it went with it after we moved to town he never allowed guns in the house. Not even a BB gun. He saw guns as a tool and impressed that upon me.

Bows are legal at about all ages. The difference between a bow/arrow and a rifle/pistol is range and depending upon the weapon rate of fire. With practice comes accuracy. Both are deadly weapons in the right and sometimes wrong hands. I was shot in the neck with a target arrow that richoched off the ground in high school by one of the "archers" (no damage, didn't even break the skin).

I support all training classes. I don't care what the subject from woodworking and home ec to big bertha. that is how most of us learn things.

I support all training.

Yes, Knowlege is power, ignorance is bliss right up till it kills you.

Glad your wife is ok.




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/24/2015 12:27:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed.
When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it.
However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided.


Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report?


Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns.

Oops, need to clarify-I was asking about trigger locks. I remember reading about the Consumer Reports results when they were published. I just would have thought that there would have been some improvement in trigger locks spurred on by the report.

I own one firearm, a Taurus semi auto that has a built in trigger lock.
Lost the key, fortunatly it wasn't locked at the time.




thompsonx -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 7:49:06 AM)




Lost the key, fortunatly it wasn't locked at the time.

That is why god invented the drill press[;)]




Wayward5oul -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 5:00:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You might find this useful.

www.homesecurityguru.com/trigger-locks


However, some designs also feature additional locking mechanisms such as combination locks or keypads and perhaps even alarm.

People really buy these?




Wayward5oul -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 5:06:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I own one firearm, a Taurus semi auto that has a built in trigger lock.
Lost the key, fortunatly it wasn't locked at the time.

Honestly, a trigger lock would not stop me from being concerned that my son would get hurt. I can't shoot, but my ex is an accomplished shooter and I am quite happy to let him teach my son about responsibility and firearms.




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 6:40:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You might find this useful.

www.homesecurityguru.com/trigger-locks


However, some designs also feature additional locking mechanisms such as combination locks or keypads and perhaps even alarm.

People really buy these?


They must or they wouldn't still be on sale.
All of those make the firearm harder for the owner to use, take up more time.




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 6:45:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I own one firearm, a Taurus semi auto that has a built in trigger lock.
Lost the key, fortunatly it wasn't locked at the time.

Honestly, a trigger lock would not stop me from being concerned that my son would get hurt. I can't shoot, but my ex is an accomplished shooter and I am quite happy to let him teach my son about responsibility and firearms.


You are correct he should your son. Please don't be offended, but the blind leading the blind doesn't work. As I said a couple of pages ago, while I don't trust them I won't say no one else should use them, just please know the limitations or they are worse than nothing (creating a false sense of secutity).




Wayward5oul -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 7:51:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Please don't be offended, but the blind leading the blind doesn't work. As I said a couple of pages ago, while I don't trust them I won't say no one else should use them, just please know the limitations or they are worse than nothing (creating a false sense of secutity).

I'm not offended. I don't have any firearm training. That's why there isn't one in my house. That would be careless and irresponsible of me. But I am also alive today because someone near me had a gun and knew how to use it.

I have handled guns, done some shooting, but all just casually, with no formal training. I can tell you more about reloading ammo than I can about your taurus and my papa's old security six he carried when he was alive. But I grew up with guns in the house my whole life. I was taught early on to respect firearms, and to fear for my life if I messed with them. Not because guns were deadly, but because my daddy would have skinned me alive if I had touched them.

In fact, with the exception of two years during college, I never lived in a house without guns until I got divorced a few years ago. And because of my experiences with them, good and bad, there is no way my son will grow up without being educated to handle firearms responsibly.




BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/25/2015 8:11:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Please don't be offended, but the blind leading the blind doesn't work. As I said a couple of pages ago, while I don't trust them I won't say no one else should use them, just please know the limitations or they are worse than nothing (creating a false sense of secutity).

I'm not offended. I don't have any firearm training. That's why there isn't one in my house. That would be careless and irresponsible of me. But I am also alive today because someone near me had a gun and knew how to use it.

I have handled guns, done some shooting, but all just casually, with no formal training. I can tell you more about reloading ammo than I can about your taurus and my papa's old security six he carried when he was alive. But I grew up with guns in the house my whole life. I was taught early on to respect firearms, and to fear for my life if I messed with them. Not because guns were deadly, but because my daddy would have skinned me alive if I had touched them.

In fact, with the exception of two years during college, I never lived in a house without guns until I got divorced a few years ago. And because of my experiences with them, good and bad, there is no way my son will grow up without being educated to handle firearms responsibly.


Every word sounds reasonable. Since you know little about firearms it is wise of you not to have one. It is also wise for you to have your son taught firearms safety, he can decide when he is on his own about ownership for him.
I only mentioned the brand because so many would try to pretend that I made it up if I didn't give the make. I don't expect everyone to know all about every gun, I have been shooting for 57 years (yes, I started shooting when I was 8) and I am sure that people can mention firearms I never heard of.




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