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Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:30:47 AM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		I was just in another thread on safety, and I came to realize something - these forums are really quite useless.

Specifically, I was reading about Plasti-Dip, and its toxicity.  One person was saying it is toxic, the other that it is not.  I don't care about this really, but it shows something.

If I want to go ahead and use this stuff, I still have to do my own research.  However, if I want to err on the side of caution, why post the question in the first place?  Regardless of what I ask, someone will say it isn't safe.

So what do I gain by asking the public on here about safety?  Perhaps a link, but Google could do the same in many cases.  Besides, who trusts everything online?

Just curious how other people see the safety questions online...

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:45:57 AM   
NastyDaddy


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Status: offline 		It's really not safe to post this kind of question here benji... besides, how do we know it's really you?






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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:46:50 AM   
JessieMe


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Status: offline 		I guess it depends on if they are saying.. this is safe... as opposed to this is safe because......

same thing on the flip side.. this is not safe..... or this is not safe because.....

after that you just kind of take the advice for what its worth.. It could be the ones touting something as safe will learn something new from the ones stating its not safe for whatever reason.  No matter what you decide to do with the information.. its going to educate SOMEONE here and that is why we have these forums..



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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:50:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess it depends on the safety tip involved..
 
I mean.. if someone said.."It's fine to set your arm on fire", I would research that myself.
 
However, if someone said "Watch for the pissy little puppy"... I would keep the pepper spray handy.
 
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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:51:29 AM   
darkinshadows


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Hey benji
 
Who to trust?  Yourself.
I know it sounds a bit strange maybe... but your the only person you can trust (well, that and whoever you are playing with).
 
Thing is with these forums is - you have to be aware that not everyone agrees, not everyone thinks the same things are safe.
 
Peanut butter is sticky, smooth (or with bits if you like it that way)... sweet and fun to smear all over a body and lick off - but to some it can be a killer.
 
Some wax and lube can have serious side effects.  Plasti-dip has mixed info.  Forums are for discussing and sharing info - and then it's YOU that takes that information and makes a decision on the calculated risks.  SSC is null and void.  R.A.C.K is more descriptive, more subjectively personal.
 
Communication - discovering fears, phobias, allergies and all possible outcomes is what is important - trusting yourself and your instincts and accepting the responsibility for all outcomes.
 
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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:51:59 AM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		Can you people not take this thread seriously for one moment?

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:53:42 AM   
Sab


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Can you people not take this thread seriously for one moment?

Yours,


benji


Seriously!? :0


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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:55:31 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I had this thought come up over a thread on the submissive forum about enemas. I would be more cautious than some of these ladies, and presented links about overuse of enemas and altering the bacterial composition of the lower rectum because of overuse, how does one prevent such a situation? They state they are nurses, I have only taken classes in microbiology and read about natural bacteria colonies within the human body... different people will think differently for different reasons based upon their kink, whether they are SCC or RACK... or their educational background or work background. Of course you have to do your own research Benji! Perhaps there are others that might make you think about the saftey of what you plan to do in a different light though. Perhaps someone has made mistakes they can talk about.

I think that sometimes there are no wrong or right answers because of different variables. Like the enema thread I am talking about. My concern is overuse because I want to engage in anal sex more than once a week with my partner. Theirs is a one time enema in a hospital that the person will probably not have much detrimental effects over. They are not wrong, but I prefer to treat my nether regions more gently. It is all in how you view it. I think there is much knowledge to be gained here, but one should check sources even when listening to experts.... Just my thoughts.

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 10:55:47 AM   
agirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

I was just in another thread on safety, and I came to realize something - these forums are really quite useless.

Specifically, I was reading about Plasti-Dip, and its toxicity.  One person was saying it is toxic, the other that it is not.  I don't care about this really, but it shows something.

If I want to go ahead and use this stuff, I still have to do my own research.  However, if I want to err on the side of caution, why post the question in the first place?  Regardless of what I ask, someone will say it isn't safe.

So what do I gain by asking the public on here about safety?  Perhaps a link, but Google could do the same in many cases.  Besides, who trusts everything online?

Just curious how other people see the safety questions online...

Yours,


benji


 Hello benji,

I had a conversation about the same thing last night with my Master.

I have done some rather *dodgy* things in the past, but if I'd felt compelled to ask about them in a forum FIRST, there's no way I would have done them in the first instance.

I find it interesting to listen to OPINIONS and other people's personal thoughts on  different subjects, but I only take ADVICE or ask for it,  from people that know ME and who *I* know well.

I'd never ask about anything regarding my safety on a forum....my safety is entirely in my own hands. I know if I'm going to *try* something or if I'm NOT happy to........ nothing that a stranger in a forum says will alter that.

Regards, agirl




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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:05:29 AM   
Taylore


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quote:

Just curious how other people see the safety questions online...

This slave see's it as nothing more than another request for opinions of others. Most, not all, but most, who ask such questions are already aware of the safety issues on both sides; they are seeking more an opinion on those who have done such activities.

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:07:23 AM   
Caretakr


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If in doubt-don't.

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:12:07 AM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Serious reply.........I agree with Taylore and also consider the source. After reading enough of a persons words you can kind of tell who is full of hot air and who has a clue. However, when it all comes down to the real deal, we have to err on the side of common sense and use our brains........though for some that seems a bit frightening........we are all responsible for ourselves and should not blame anyone else when we put ourselves in questionable situations and get burned.

My first reply was to sing the snakes song from Jungle Book.........."truuuuuuuust in meeeeeeeeeeee............"


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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:16:35 AM   
NakedOnMyChain


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Status: offline 		You gain a sense of general consensus and the knowledge of the people on the forums.  Ultimately you should do your own research, but asking a question and finding out others' views on it is a valuable addition. 

Keep in mind that it is usually fairly easy to pick out the people who have no idea what they are talking about.  Safety is the one area where opinion isn't going to cut it, but it's still nice to have intelligent people around to lend a hand.

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:22:00 AM   
sleazybutterfly


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Can you people not take this thread seriously for one moment?

Yours,


benji


Okay, Okay.. don't get your tail in a bunch.
 
I think that I have learned a bit, like when they were talking about the enemas.  I never thought much about what was in the ones that were used for play, and I could have caused damage over time.  It's not that I would take anyones word for anything and just quit..but it would make me think and look up the information myself.
 
I think as long as you take the info..and research it yourself, it can be a great help;  however,  I wouldn't just take it as gospel and be done with it.
 
Better..little dog??  *scratches you behind the ears*
 
~Andrea (flutterbi)

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:45:47 AM   
branwen


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Status: offline 		Well a forum post about safety can be useful if someone doesnt know that something might be dangerous for them. For example, say I've been using plasti-dip for months now. I log on to the forums, and someone has written a post asking about the safety of plasti-dip. This makes me stop and think, "Hey, is what Im doing safe? Maybe I should research it to make sure!" In general I think you should ALWAYS do your own research, but it never hurts to get real life advice/info from others in the scene. Just my opinion.

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 11:51:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		For myself, I use a combination of common sense and the education I have to decide on the credibility of information here.   Over time everyone learns whom to believe and who is full of crap.   I've never actually wanted to do something that would be immediately life thretening, and if I did, I would seek real life, show and tell guidance, not here.    M

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 12:12:01 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		If it's something Plasti-dip, I'd maybe (seriously)  call my family practice doctor, and say "a friend" I know has accidentally done (insert what you want to do here) _____________ (maybe this won't work with your doctor, mine already knows me - I've gone to this guy a looong time - he asks few questions that are "personal", and has a good reputation for competency in my area. He may think I'm strange (or might not care about things like that, one way or the other), but he's nice to me, and he knows I pay my bills on time.

You can also go to one of the online MD websites and ask questions like that. What is the worst things  that can happen? They ignore you or tell you to go away? I think you stand better than a 50-50 chance of getting sound advice, as far as safety goes.

There are medical doctors who frequent this site, but I am relatively certain they may feel like they feel when someone asks them for "free advice" at a cocktail party (unless they are volunteering advice), or feel it may be unethical of them to answer, for some reason. Sometimes, I've seen them answer some questions on the Sarety forum. Some of the nurses who are also on this site sometimes do. I trust them. Otherwise, I can see your point. It's nice to get opinions, but you don't want to risk your life un-necessarily by taking the wrong advice - and it's up to each person what they want to trust as far as that goes.

- Susan 

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 12:12:13 PM   
diamonddreamlove


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Status: offline 		The community feel is what i like about the forums.  I pick up some useful info and sometimes think hell no to other information.  Either way if i have a safety issue i am going to do my own research and evaluate the risk for myself not take someone elses word for it.  Oh and btw is flogging safe?

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 12:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are four levels of advice given here or in any non expert area in which I will place some credability. Everything else is an opinion informed or otherwise.
  1. Published Informed Advice ~ Te informant has read this on the web or in a text book. I need to have the references so I can follow up investigating the information myself.
  2. Spoken Informed Advice ~  The informant has been told or taught this and again I need to have the references so I can follow up investigating the information myself.
  3. Second Hand Experience Advice ~ The informant has been told this and again I need to have the references so I can follow up investigating the information myself.
  4. Personal Experience Advice ~ The informant has experience in this themselves. I have to decide what value and trustworthiness I place on this and if possible talk to to others who were there too.
All else becomes an opinion. When in doubt - Don't untill thedoubt is removed.

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RE: Who to Trust? - 7/17/2006 1:44:03 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		Information on safety or just about anything else, that you get from the internet is worth every penny you paid for it.

Why would you expect anything lese?

People love to lie, love to promote ignorance, love to 'get away' with things, love to pronounce their opinions as facts, and love to rush to support gossip and rumors in 'real life'...

The internet only acts as an amplifier for these human tendencies.

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