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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/4/2016 4:35:08 PM

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Damnit, just watched it - yes, little idea as to who got the honours from Negan's souped-up baseball bat. That's a *terrible* cliffhanger to leave us all on till October.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/4/2016 5:43:24 PM

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I was thinking they might have left the remaining RGPs back in Alexandria. One was spent blowing up T's group. (The ones that ambushed Sasha, Abraham, and Daryl in the road.) Another was used to light up the lake when the tower crashed the wall. We may see the launcher again at another time, since this is really just the beginning of the Negan era.

The Savior who had the 'last day on earth' exchange with Rick at the first ambush was a guy by the name of Steven Ogg. I had no clue of who he was, so I looked him up. He's best known for a voice on Grand Theft Auto.

Gimple is already defending the decision of not revealing who died in the finale. I hope that guy's got a bunker somewhere.

I thought the first time they encountered a road block that Rick was going to blow those guys sky high. I was surprised when no one in the group came up with one of those RPG'S. It doesn't seem logical that they wouldn't take some of those along. And this crap with Carrol and her curl up and die attitude is kind of goofy. I get it that the premise of the show is sci-fi and far fetched but if it gets too stupid I'm going to get bored with all of it.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/4/2016 5:49:24 PM

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My problem with the Season Finale wasn't so much the ending as taking 90 minutes to get there.
A good editor could have brought that episode in just under 50 minutes, leaving 10+ for commercials.
There were so many moments when I was yelling "Get ON With It!"

And don't get me started on how incredibly stupid the core group has become over the course of this season...

And Carol need to get her shit straight and get back in the game.

I've been a fan since Day 1 but I'm losing my patience.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/4/2016 6:17:55 PM

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I went back and forth about did it need to be 90 minutes, which is roughly 67 minutes of actual show. If they would have kept it to the normal 60 minute time slot, we'd have gotten roughly 43 minutes worth of show. (Seventeen minutes being the average amount of commercial time for an hour.) Negan's monologue alone was eleven minutes, so that would have been 32 minutes for everything else. With that break down, I can see why they went for the extra time on this one, even if there were a couple of things that were too drawn out.

If it wouldn't have been for Maggie needing to get to a doctor at Hilltop, they probably could have taken out the first road block group. I did like how the road blocks became more menacing than the last. The Red Rover walkers were a unique idea.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/4/2016 10:22:46 PM

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I know the other groups were mentioned before. It's a fine time to start introducing them now.

I'm not sure who said it, but one of the guests on the following Talking Dead said there were a few clues. Once we know who it was, those clues might become more apparent. Based on the episode, I'd guess Eugene or Abraham. I'm leaning towards the latter.

I'm wondering how long the battle with the Saviors will last. A whole season at the very least, maybe two if they drag it out.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 10:25:23 AM

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With the introduction of the Kingdom*, some episodes that will be done from the Hilltop, at least some background on the Saviors compound, and ours from Alexandria, we'll definitely have this through season seven. (The two guys that came across Morgan and Carol have to be from the Kingdom.) It could go through until season 8.5 (mid season finale of season eight) depending on how they choose to play it.

Wow. Some fans are absolutely furious about not knowing who met Lucille. Some of the reviews of the episode have been awful. I wonder if people would have reacted this way if it hadn't have been for fooling folks about Glenn's death earlier in the season.

Anyway, before I forget, I want to thank everybody who participated on the thread about season six. It's been fun talking with everyone about it and having our own little corner of the TWD universe here.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 12:04:16 PM

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I know the other groups were mentioned before. It's a fine time to start introducing them now.

I'm not sure who said it, but one of the guests on the following Talking Dead said there were a few clues. Once we know who it was, those clues might become more apparent. Based on the episode, I'd guess Eugene or Abraham. I'm leaning towards the latter.

I'm wondering how long the battle with the Saviors will last. A whole season at the very least, maybe two if they drag it out.

I think Abraham's at risk because (a) the writers know how much it will piss off viewers if they kill Glenn and (b) Abraham just found his true love. No way can they let him live with that :(

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 3:26:15 PM

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I think Abraham's at risk because (a) the writers know how much it will piss off viewers if they kill Glenn and (b) Abraham just found his true love. No way can they let him live with that :(

Abraham's at risk because his character was never really developed. He was never really allowed to become much more than the strong and stolid sergeant-major type. I'd bet on him as having copped it - but, but, if I'm right ... all we really know is that he was knocked unconscious - we don't know that he was killed.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 3:44:43 PM

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One theory is that the pov aspect of the death and the pov shots of the four in the vehicle (Daryl, Michonne,Glenn and Rosita) give clues as to whom was killed.

If they keep trueeto the Neegan charactrr in the comics; Neegan has basic rules of conduct. He doesnt kill women or children.

If the theory about the pov is on the mark and IF the show stays true to Neegans basic rules of engagement then that leaves Daryl or Glenn. If the clue to who was killed is we are seeing through the eyes of e victim, and if you watch close there is someone in front of the person in te van the POV is directed then it means Glenn is the likely victim since Daryl is the first person seen when th doors open (the area where the POV seems directed, toward th lights where light i filtering between the cracks of two doors).

If they dont stay true it could be Michonne, Rosita or Glenn.

That is one theory Not mine, just one I have read.

There is also the fact that the original victim of Dwights arrow was Abraham not Denise. Saving him from that death could mean they are planning on a better one to mess with th fans emotions. Adding to that the blossoming love affair, Abrahams new outlook and hope of a future with Sasha....his death by Neegan would be an emotional blow with Sasha there to grieve and the viewers grieving with her. Not quite on par with the fan bases love affair of he Maggie and Glenn reeationship but still gut wrenching enough to make for a good season premiere. One of my personal theories.

Truthfully it could be any of them and the show likes to change things up and do the unexpected so hell, it could even be Rick or Carl, assumed safe by much of the fan base.

The Neegan kill in the comicz was a big deal and Glenn a readdr favorite. Daryl is a show fan favorite and could easily take the place of Glenn as a shock factor and way to rile the viewership. Plus Norman Reedus is crazy busy with other projects than just TWD. I could easily imagine him moving on, except not even the actors know which one of them was killed.

All I know is it is going to be a LONG 7 month wait to find out!

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 3:46:31 PM

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I think the lack of character development is what might save him. He is a comparatively minor character on the show and the finale is rumored to kill a major character.

I admit (wrong thread) I just hope Daryl survives

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 4:53:09 PM

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(sighs) I wish I hadn't typed the above on my Nook tablet. The typos are killing me.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/5/2016 9:23:58 PM

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Winnie... No. It was great! That's a great theory about the POV aspect. It really could be that.

I know you covered some of this. Here's why I think it's Abraham...

(In no particular order.)

1. Abraham is "beloved" whether fans think he is or not. "Safe" characters (Rick, Carl, Michonne, Maggie) aside, except for predicable Glenn, he is the most connected to the other folks in the "line-up".

2. He sees a tomorrow. Abraham has gone past the 'death wish' phase to wanting a future. He's talking about the things that actually scare him. A life, rather than juts breathing. It's one thing to have a mission. It's another to be something better.

3. "Your services are no longer required." This was a bigger deal than people thought it was. Eugene dismissed him. The thing, the mission, that Abraham had invested in for so long, was no longer necessary.

4. Rick can only have so many 'right-hand' men. In the comics, Tyrese had a much bigger role, that was taken over by Abraham, who has been replaced by Jesus. In the show, this becomes a little more complicated. We have to consider Daryl, who isn't in the comics. Morgan is still alive. Glenn is making impassioned speeches. Somebody has to go.

5. The comic arc. Like it or not the arc in the comics has serious character development for other people. Abraham's death will matter in later stories.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/6/2016 2:18:09 AM

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Probably, the worst season finale, I have ever seen. Even worse than that of the previous season. Was I expecting too much? Possibly…
Some things, just are impossible to accept. 1. In a very short span of time between when Daryl and the others are captured, and Rick and his people left to take Maggie to see the doctor in Hilltop, the Saviors managed to bring the captured survivors back to Negan, then send out goons to every possible road between Hilltop and Alexandria (which presumably the Saviors don’t even know have any relationship still) and even block one road off with a giant pile of trees. 2. How can the Saviors be in the exact right spot in the woods in the middle of the night to ambush Rick and the others? These things, are just beyond me.
I won’t even comment about the cliffhanger, I consider It insulting, towards all the fans of the WD.
p.s.1 : Awesome acting from Negan, he really steals the show, maybe the only positive element of the episode.
p.s.2: You NEVER send your only doctor, out scavenging.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/6/2016 6:05:34 AM

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There was a bit of foreshadowing. The scene between Eugene and Abraham before the big capture, it's as if they were saying goodbye.
But then again, they could've thrown out a few "clues" that aren't clues at all, just things to detract from the actual person to help maintain the surprise come the premier. Imagine if they don't reveal it the first episode.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/6/2016 8:03:38 AM

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I think the roadblocks make sense. The Saviors have numbers, resources and are organized. Laying siege to an enemy is a time honored tradition in war, or so I've heard. I'm sure the a$$hole leader of Hilltop was happy to spill the beans about Maggie being pregnant and needing medical care so they would know that the group would need to return to the Hilltop for more supplies and medical checkups for Maggie. Remember, they only received enough food for a month from The Hilltop so they were destined to make a trip north within a few weeks. That gave Neegan time to plan a siege at the routes leading north, the directions they would need to go. Rick's group killing off his people simply added extra incentive to get it done. Neegan's group made it their business to scout out Rick's group and kept them under observation. With radios and numbers, organizing things was just a matter of logistics and good strategies. Neegan managed to amass a large following in the span of a couple years. Considering that most people were just trying to survive in those times, implies Neegan has a rather brilliant and opportunistic mind. Certainly vindictive and organized enough to take his time to plan things out and make a 'show' of it.

The show has a history of leaving people wondering what happened. I'm not sure why people are so surprised on this one. Sure, I was all WTF, those jacka$$e$! GAHH, I hate them; at the the end of the show! But, I hate that I loved it too.

I do agree, they should have NEVER let their only doctor go out and scavenge. That was not smart. That, and I really liked her and poor Tara. It has to suck to be a lesbian in an apocalypse. I mean, you are already a minority and the dating pool has really dried up at this point.

Now, Carol. I've heard a lot of complaining about Carol becoming weak. People always seem to think they want one dimensional characters. Personally, I like to see weaknesses in my favorite hero. Even Superman has his weakness.

Carol has depth, and she's not a machine. She's a loving woman, who has risen above her weaknesses to survive. Processing it is not weak, it shows humanity and heart. She can only be a better and stronger person when/if she survives it. Or, she can be a suicidal mess, and do what she did in the comics and just commit suicide by walker. Either way, she's not a one dimensional machine.

Back to the cliffhanger. Killing Glenn makes sense in that his death was a huge deal in the comics and it makes sense that Kirkman would want to keep that aspect of his storytelling true to the comics. On the other hand, he has a fresh slate, and a chance to redo something in a fresh way and any storyteller will say they eat that shit up. So, a new twist to the story would be fun for him - I imagine. The anticipation and character development is what makes the show so entertaining. Sure the instant gratification of seeing the person he kills in the finale would have been entertaining (good grief its awful to say that) but my response to the ending had Kay laughing her butt off at me - and that's a memory we will always share, so it is all good in my way of thinking.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/6/2016 8:43:01 AM

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The roadblocks didn't seem all that unreal to me. They could have attacked Alexandria, but they didn't. They had obviously been aware of the town and been planning this stunt. I believe they had someone watching their every move and waited for the right time. I'm thinking the logs have been in place for some time and troops relatively close. I'm thinking they watch all safe zones and all the roads that lead to them, and know everything in-between. Wouldn't want their "workers" escaping.

At this point, and this might be an unpopular opinion, I'd rather see Glenn go than Abraham.
From what I've read, Glenn's passing was important in the development of Maggie's character in the comics.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/6/2016 5:04:29 PM

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This is kind of a long shot.

Disclaimer, a lot of my picks were wrong for season six. I need to go back and do a tally on my prediction scorecard. Probably my worst season yet and I read the comics. (The comics are not guaranteed answers.)

The reason I don't think it will be Glenn in 7.1? To start, it's too predictable. The comic book readers expect it to be Glenn, all of the articles have made sure to mention that it's supposed to be Glenn, they already jerked people around thinking Glenn died back in episode three... Killing Glenn in the opener of season seven is anticlimactic. If you're going to kill Glenn, it has to be gut wrenching and heart tearing.

Instead, kill someone else. Lure fans into this false sense of security that Glenn is safe. Maybe do an episode where the backstory is about how much safer Glenn thinks it would be for him, Maggie, and Enid to move to Hilltop...

Then, WHAM! Take Glenn out when viewers don't expect it. Could be around episode four. Would still work for the later story arcs.

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/8/2016 9:42:48 AM

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I jsut finished it, its taken me all this time to get around to it... im a slacker...
But.... while I love neegan, just because JDMs smile slays me.
I havent read the comics, so I dont know who is supposed to do what.
Not sure about the two guys with carol and morgan...horses n handshakes....not bikes n guns..but im not convinced, just wondering.
I will stomp my tootsies if its abraham.
Im really over glenn tho.
Its been fun:)
Im now catching up with vikings and the new outlander coming out. along with waiting for GOT to start.:)

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/8/2016 10:06:59 AM

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ok, a possible spoiler is below...just saying

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hope this is far enough

can't say I didn't warn ya

I watched an interview with Norman Reedus (Daryl Dixon) and Norman let it slip that he knows what happens and its heart wrenching.

All the interviews I've seen with the other actors, Producers and writers had them saying no one knows who was killed.

If Norman is the ONLY one who knows.... it isn't looking good for Daryl

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RE: The Ultimate Season Six thread for The Walking Dead - 4/8/2016 4:34:47 PM

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Another theory, supporting LP's pick...

http://youtu.be/ZMdFrhHOYdY

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