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crazyml -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/28/2015 12:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: J0K3ER quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: J0K3ER because the so called wish list department had blocked the cancellalation pursuant to Ishtar's request. Sweetie... that's bullshit. Either you're making stuff up, or some Amazon representative lied to you to attempt to get you of the phone. As a customer owning a wishlist, you cannot block cancellations from the wishlist. There is no way for me to do that. There is no option for it. No setting. No way for me to magically make that happen because... I don't run Amazon. I am not making stuff up, if you dont believe that is what really happened it is up to you, the first time the cancellation process went with no problems, but the second time I am telling you, a cancellation specialist had to forward my call to the wish list department. how about I do it again and post the pictures here? I will do it for the hell of it . I kinda developed a fixation on fucking with amazon people. Out of morbid curiosity... how many fucks do you think anyone on this thread gives about you and your little drama? Pop me down for zero fucks.

LadyConstanze -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/28/2015 12:56:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Out of morbid curiosity... how many fucks do you think anyone on this thread gives about you and your little drama? Pop me down for zero fucks. Actually my first thought was "Even if she got the content of all of Amazon, she was grossly underpaid for ANY interaction with him"

crazyml -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/28/2015 12:59:16 PM)
Yes, I hope it was a Ferrari or a plane.

LadyConstanze -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/28/2015 1:01:26 PM)
We're talking about yearly production?

littleclip -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/28/2015 9:00:16 PM)
With the exception of being treated with respect, why do people think they are "entitled?" I have met some like this and I think that it is simply no one has told them its not that way. I am a slave i am not your slave touch me with out permission of my owner and see how fast i have you on your ass i protect my owner and her property

crazyml -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/28/2015 9:07:32 PM)
I hope that this interaction is helping you with whatever demons you're fighting, and I really do hope you find whatever it is you're looking for. Bless your heart.

sexyred1 -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 12:01:04 AM)
No, it's jackass o'clock in sock town.

Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 5:58:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I don't know that we disagree, except that you're attributing a definition of "common courtesy" to me which I never gave. In fact, I find your specific example of "Have a nice day" to be just as disingenuous as you appear to. My typical responses are: "Thanks, but I have other plans" or "Don't tell me what kind of day to have" and it always leaves 'em scratching their heads. It's mostly a retail thing. I will say however, that there's a marked difference in demeanour between retail staff/service workers in the USA and back home. Your guys here are far more servile. I'll never forget backing into some poor woman attempting to do her job in the supermarket only to have her profusely apologise to me for the accidental contact. quote: Well, again, you're kind of supposin' and concludin'. I consider common courtesy to be along the lines of "please", "thank you" and holding a door for the person entering directly behind you (not waiting on them to get there). I consider it to be really simple things like not brushing right by someone on the street (or, worse yet, walking toward them and refusing to "give way" when it is easily doable for you but not so much for them). As I said, this is a social code. Usually inculcated in people during their early years. And while philosophically, I tend toward utilitarianism, I'm also patently aware that social interactions between human beings are far more layered than they first appear. The giving way thing is interesting. People in New Zealand seem less inclined to give way while walking down the street and women almost never do. There's - ironically - a tendency toward entitlement. And a lot of men here seem to automatically do what they can to accommodate them. Naturally, since I noticed, I've amused myself by managing the eye contact game to ensure they're the one who gives way. Possession of a vagina doesn't entitle a woman to special treatment. quote: I'm not sure how to take "people like yourself" in reference to me, but realizing how acerbic you can be at times and, since you've engaged in supposition regarding me, I'll just take it as not a good thing. I wouldn't overthink it if I were you. I wouldn't throw in a disclaimer saying 'there's nothing wrong with that' if I was being explicitly critical. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness For me, I tend to think of people as guilty until proven innocent. I'll keep them at a distance until I decide they're not fucking morons. Social codes are part of that. It's not that they're entitled to common courtesy, it's that I find it a tool for managing and evaluating them. Lastly, I think you may be conflating "respect" and "common courtesy". I tend to keep people at something of a distance, also, but the things I've described in this post aren't respect. I hold very few people in high esteem. I don't think so. You effectively apply your idea of common courtesy to everyone on the basis - presumably - that you believe it's something they're entitled to as a human being. As I said previously, that's mostly based on who you believe yourself to be. quote: "I tend to think of people as guilty until proven innocent" Well, how sad for you. You have my sympathy to have been that hurt by life. Michael chuckle Oh please, spare me the pop-psych analysis. When you've dealt with people en masse, you start to understand the base nature which lies underneath us all, the tendency toward fear and greed, the reality that crime is as much about opportunity as anything else. (The average person is astonishingly willing to steal.) As Shakespeare put it, "There's no art, to find the mind's construction in the face". This forum is full to the brim with regulars, many of whom play out their own underlying issues, indulge their petty vendettas and express the spiteful aspects of themselves without restraint. They are so very average, so why would I waste time or energy with those people? Life is too short. I prefer those who manage to think beyond their own immediate gratification. And frankly, that is not a common trait.

Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 6:04:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bhruic Just as a point of clarity... forcibly having sex with someone who doesn't want it is rape. Trying to compel them to have sex with you after dinner has historically been known as "dating"... Unless by "compel" you meant "force". There's a significant component of the feminist movement which believed any attempt (by men) to seduce women is a form of rape and that all sexual interaction should consist of the man begging for permission at various intervals. Women, of course, are absent any responsibility when they want sex from a man. Ah, these people are a scream, they really are.

DesFIP -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 9:41:54 AM)
Informed consent is important to some of us. Pity you don't feel that way.

Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 8:13:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Informed consent is important to some of us. Pity you don't feel that way. Oh, you think you're a mind-reader now do you? There's a difference between consensual sex and the hysterics of retroactively calling someone a rapist. I'm also not buying - for a moment - the bullshit scenario in which a woman whose sexual predilections breach social mores suddenly becoming a trauma victim who's incapable of communicating her desire to stop to the guy she's fucking. If you can't communicate effectively during sex, then you should be in a fucking psyche ward, not out in the kink world trying to get laid.

LadyPact -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 8:45:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I don't know that we disagree, except that you're attributing a definition of "common courtesy" to me which I never gave. In fact, I find your specific example of "Have a nice day" to be just as disingenuous as you appear to. My typical responses are: "Thanks, but I have other plans" or "Don't tell me what kind of day to have" and it always leaves 'em scratching their heads. It's mostly a retail thing. I will say however, that there's a marked difference in demeanour between retail staff/service workers in the USA and back home. Your guys here are far more servile. I'll never forget backing into some poor woman attempting to do her job in the supermarket only to have her profusely apologise to me for the accidental contact. quote: Well, again, you're kind of supposin' and concludin'. I consider common courtesy to be along the lines of "please", "thank you" and holding a door for the person entering directly behind you (not waiting on them to get there). I consider it to be really simple things like not brushing right by someone on the street (or, worse yet, walking toward them and refusing to "give way" when it is easily doable for you but not so much for them). As I said, this is a social code. Usually inculcated in people during their early years. And while philosophically, I tend toward utilitarianism, I'm also patently aware that social interactions between human beings are far more layered than they first appear. The giving way thing is interesting. People in New Zealand seem less inclined to give way while walking down the street and women almost never do. There's - ironically - a tendency toward entitlement. And a lot of men here seem to automatically do what they can to accommodate them. Naturally, since I noticed, I've amused myself by managing the eye contact game to ensure they're the one who gives way. Possession of a vagina doesn't entitle a woman to special treatment. quote: I'm not sure how to take "people like yourself" in reference to me, but realizing how acerbic you can be at times and, since you've engaged in supposition regarding me, I'll just take it as not a good thing. I wouldn't overthink it if I were you. I wouldn't throw in a disclaimer saying 'there's nothing wrong with that' if I was being explicitly critical. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness For me, I tend to think of people as guilty until proven innocent. I'll keep them at a distance until I decide they're not fucking morons. Social codes are part of that. It's not that they're entitled to common courtesy, it's that I find it a tool for managing and evaluating them. Lastly, I think you may be conflating "respect" and "common courtesy". I tend to keep people at something of a distance, also, but the things I've described in this post aren't respect. I hold very few people in high esteem. I don't think so. You effectively apply your idea of common courtesy to everyone on the basis - presumably - that you believe it's something they're entitled to as a human being. As I said previously, that's mostly based on who you believe yourself to be. quote: "I tend to think of people as guilty until proven innocent" Well, how sad for you. You have my sympathy to have been that hurt by life. Michael chuckle Oh please, spare me the pop-psych analysis. When you've dealt with people en masse, you start to understand the base nature which lies underneath us all, the tendency toward fear and greed, the reality that crime is as much about opportunity as anything else. (The average person is astonishingly willing to steal.) As Shakespeare put it, "There's no art, to find the mind's construction in the face". This forum is full to the brim with regulars, many of whom play out their own underlying issues, indulge their petty vendettas and express the spiteful aspects of themselves without restraint. They are so very average, so why would I waste time or energy with those people? Life is too short. I prefer those who manage to think beyond their own immediate gratification. And frankly, that is not a common trait. Well, since it came back up... I've worked retail. I've waited tables. Heck, I even flipped burgers once. Honest day's work. I had no problem saying "have a nice day" if it fed my family. People forget that kind of thing.

LadyPact -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/29/2015 10:47:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Bhruic Just as a point of clarity... forcibly having sex with someone who doesn't want it is rape. Trying to compel them to have sex with you after dinner has historically been known as "dating"... Unless by "compel" you meant "force". There's a significant component of the feminist movement which believed any attempt (by men) to seduce women is a form of rape and that all sexual interaction should consist of the man begging for permission at various intervals. Women, of course, are absent any responsibility when they want sex from a man. Ah, these people are a scream, they really are. I can assure you that's not true. Not from perception, anyway. I know you're not really big on the concept that Dominant women exist. For the sake of argument, let's say they do. If they do, what makes you so sure that a female Dominant is so different from a male Dominant in certain angles in the bedroom? (Heck, a good portion of so-called male 'doms' think that's the big key to it, anyway. We can debate that another time.) This gender thing? It's not the whole ball of string. Let's look at the other side of the slash. You do realize that there is a significant portion of the male population that want the same thing that females want when it comes to being.... Ummmm... Taken? Captivated? Overpowered? Seduced? Do you get off on that stuff? Ha. Me, too. Just because I don't have a flesh and blood penis doesn't mean I get a free ride. I can be just as guilty as you. Just as much to blame if a sexual encounter goes bad as you. Granted, statistically, I'm less likely to go to jail as you but that's due to other factors in various ways. Some of us try to even the playing field by upholding the same responsibility in the bedroom. At some level, we are engaging with the same risk.

crazyml -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/31/2015 8:48:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Bhruic Just as a point of clarity... forcibly having sex with someone who doesn't want it is rape. Trying to compel them to have sex with you after dinner has historically been known as "dating"... Unless by "compel" you meant "force". There's a significant component of the feminist movement which believed any attempt (by men) to seduce women is a form of rape and that all sexual interaction should consist of the man begging for permission at various intervals. Women, of course, are absent any responsibility when they want sex from a man. Ah, these people are a scream, they really are. This is not actually true. There is a very small, fringe, component of the feminist movement that believed that. Of course, it's picked up and clung to by men who are afraid of equality and used as a standard around which they and their loser friends can rally.

LadyConstanze -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/31/2015 9:35:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml This is not actually true. There is a very small, fringe, component of the feminist movement that believed that. Of course, it's picked up and clung to by men who are afraid of equality and used as a standard around which they and their loser friends can rally. Thanks, almost choked on my cuppa and missed the war dance the Kiwis do before the rugby matches, should not check CM while trying to watch the world cup.... Though I'm always amused what cry babies some guys are, any pub in any city, slightly sleezy guy comes up and offers to buy you a drink (if you're female), most women have figured that it means the guy then expects something, so if you politely decline, you're "snotty" think "you're too good to accept a drink", or "you must be one of those hard core feminists not letting a guy buy you a drink...", however should you accept the drink, said guy will often act like you owe him something, even if you just accepted the drink out of politeness. As somebody who pretty often buys a drink for somebody else (we're having a talk and I order another drink, it's just polite to ask the guy/girl you're talking to if you can buy him/her one), I don't think I ever expected anything in return, all I want is that the person I'm chatting with feels comfy and isn't sitting around without a drink. I'm sure there are a lot of guys who handle it the same way, but the odd Neanderthal who believes half a pint of cider entitles him to a grope or shag just makes women a bit more careful about accepting drinks.

zombiegurlsos -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/31/2015 3:03:52 PM)
Hi LadyPact, someone you were good at flipping burgers, I am in awe of that skill as I can only flick buggers..... yes juvenile but did it crack a small smile....

Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/31/2015 9:29:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml This is not actually true. Oh, I'm afraid it is. quote: There is a very small, fringe, component of the feminist movement that believed that. Wrong. It is one of the underlying assumptions behind the hysterical promulgation of the "rape culture" myth which has gained an incredible amount of traction in the US. quote: Of course, it's picked up and clung to by men who are afraid of equality and used as a standard around which they and their loser friends can rally. Oh, little man - do you seriously think your pathetic attempts at snark do anything other than amuse me? You are so precious! Bless.

dreamlady -> RE: People Are Entitled? (10/31/2015 10:15:54 PM)
Awareness, are you aware that when you start throwing out personal insults like a brawler drunkenly staggering about looking to pick a fight, that you aren't helping your cause any? Let's see. I don't go for Dominant men, but if I did I would choose one who expressed himself with a tad bit more decorum than what I've seen in your posts. It's never a pretty sight to see a man acting catty, especially one whose primary forms of expression are hissing, snarling, and spitting furballs.[sm=doghouse.gif] You and Nick should start your own thread on the "rape culture myth" as you see fit, based on the sense of entitlement you both have as males to rage against the machine. (Btw, you do know that he used to always post as a male sub, occasionally as a switch, and lately he's been identifying himself in profiles as a Dom. You both could keep good company together.) Just sayin' DreamLady

Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/1/2015 8:23:20 AM)
Uggh. Amateurish and predictable. Mentioning Nick is a poor attempt to tar me through association. I can only presume your affiliations with radical feminists who write screeds about aborting their babies because they're male has warped your psyche to the point where you reason has deserted you. It's somewhat boring to see you follow the predictable and well-worn paths of your gender. You make the mistake of assuming your approbation is somehow meaningful to me. I assure you, it is not. It follows, therefore that your condemnation is also, similarly, meaningless. This tendency to put forward your own personal desires in a man as some goal that others should strive to achieve is amusing. Women almost invariably don't know what they want. They tend to publicly declaim a self-aggrandizing set of requirements based more on satisfying their ego than anything else. The number of women who truly know and are sufficiently honest with themselves to actually understand what they want is vanishingly small. As I keep telling the mens: ignore what women say and watch what they do. Honestly and intelligence are a rare combination in a woman, which is why I married Kaliko. You? I'm afraid you wouldn't even get to first base. I find you.... lacking.

Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/1/2015 8:31:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I've worked retail. I've waited tables. Heck, I even flipped burgers once. Honest day's work. I had no problem saying "have a nice day" if it fed my family. People forget that kind of thing. And that seems to work just fine in the USA because the tipping culture virtually mandates that servers learn to manipulate their customers. Down under, tipping is not expected, tends to be given as an appreciation for excellent service and is often split amongst all the staff working that night. To understand that, you have to realise that: A) They're all already being paid an acceptable wage by their employer B) There's a belief that a positive dining experience is a product of everyone's work that night - from the Manager on duty, to the chef and kitchen staff, to the other servers who are managing their section well and running interference for their colleagues when necessary. That's not to say that wait staff don't appreciate the value of warm and good service - but it's more in the context of building long-term repeat custom which will ultimately benefit them all. Coming from that background to the USA - the attitude here of customers toward serving staff makes me cringe at times. Similarly, the plastic smiles of some - not all - servers make me roll my eyes. It's a cultural thing - one of many. For instance, why do you guys call it a napkin instead of a serviette?

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