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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 6:40:18 PM

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Prove to me there is no Santa Clause. Before you try, remember that Santa Clause is magic . . . just like god.

There is no such thing as a "Santa" clause in English.

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Since it is impossible to disprove a magic being the burden of proof isn't on me but on those who assert the existence of such a being. So far, no such evidence has been forthcoming.

How many times does this shit-for-brains argument have to be beaten to death? The modern story of Santa Clause is a confluence of legend and folklore. Nobody thinks there's an actual entity somewhere called Santa Claus, magical or otherwise, so nobody is under any obligation to "prove" anything. The spirit of giving is real enough. Nobody thinks there's an actual entity called Narcissus, either, but narcissism is real enough.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 6:57:38 PM

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There is no such thing as a "Santa" clause in English.

Typos do not invalidate arguments on their own merits. But thanks for pointing it out in time for me to edit it.

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How many times does this shit-for-brains argument have to be beaten to death? The modern story of Santa Clause is a confluence of legend and folklore.

Or . . . maybe those stories were "inspired" by Santa the same way god "inspired" people to write about him (or maybe the Bible is also a confluence of legend and folklore).

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Nobody thinks there's an actual entity somewhere called Santa Claus, magical or otherwise,

I know of several individuals who are quite convinced of Santa's existence and are eagerly counting the days to his arrival. The're all under eight years old but they are people so the word nobody does not apply.

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so nobody is under any obligation to "prove" anything. The spirit of giving is real enough. Nobody thinks there's an actual entity somewhere called Narcissus, either, but narcissism is real enough.

If you are going to put forth the existence of god as the explanation for anything - be it existence itself, the origins of life or as the source of morality then, yes, the burden of proof is on you.

The fact remains: you cannot disprove the existence of Santa Claus.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 7:18:41 PM

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The fact remains: you cannot disprove the existence of Santa Claus.

The only actual fact that remains is that your statement is simply an unsupported assertion.

The burden is on you to prove that it's true.

K.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 7:28:00 PM

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In my personal experience, although there seem to be alot honour killing with Hindu communities in the UK. I don't know why.

Our Hindus in Singapore are actually super peaceful and never has any incident of Honour killings happened. On top of that, they rise up and make great Lawyers and Surgeons, their daughters are well educated. Their fathers seem to really care about woman's education. Many Hindu women became Court Judges in our country, they are actually known to produce daughters or sons with with a flair for getting very highly educated. I find them to be very peaceful and many are even Vegans. Won't even eat dairy or eggs. As they don't want to hurt animals. We actually like them alot in our community. And when it comes to dining, they never ask for special treatment or expect anything special. If there was no vegan food they could eat, they would still join and have a drink. They are so humble.

Now the Muslims...., that's another story. They are the opposite of everything I said about Hindu people, and what a shit fuss they will kick up IF 900 non muslim people won't go to a halal place because of 1 Muslim. Screaming discrimination and one whole shit fuss about it. Even though a specially catered Muslim meal is gonna be catered for that one special individual. In terms of population, we have more Muslims than Hindu people, but Muslims are lagging far behind in terms of caring about education for their children. And they marry their daughters young and get them pregnant young. Because of how easy it is for a Muslim men to dump his wife, You can see a 18 yr old married, then divorced with a kid by 20, because of their easy divorce laws. Muslims run their own sharia laws here. They aren't bound by civil laws for their marriages.

And over here, as we have many Hindu Temples as well as Mosques. There is a very clear distinction. You can never mistake a Hindu for a Muslim. They are two different faith. Also Hinduism love their idols, multiple Gods, their temples are so beautiful decorated with all their mythical gods and creatures. Islam doesn't believe in statues and stuffs, so a Mosque is always barren, they are soo world's apart.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 7:45:17 PM

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In my personal experience, although there seem to be alot honour killing with Hindu communities in the UK. I don't know why.
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I thought you had promised to stop posting.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 7:46:50 PM

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As much as I'd like to believe this, I think humans have a deep seated need to differentiate oneself from another. Humans will always find a reason to declare one group as superior and certain fringe elements will always advocate for the elimination of the "inferior" group.

Then why not eliminate one of those reasons? The stupidest reason of all . . . the belief that an invisible man living in the sky who spends all his time obsessing over what we do with our genitalia and issuing commands over what to do about it.

Just one problem, Marc; until you can prove to believers....definitively...that there is no God, you cannot eliminate that reason. How about some scientific cites of the proof of God's invalidity? Not just arguments. Proof.

Shouldn't you be proving definitively there is a god? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 7:54:35 PM

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I thought you had promised to stop posting.

I said I don't care about terrorist bombings anymore since everybody is offering loving support for the religion that causes the bombings. To me, that's indirectly offering loving support to the bombings. I know more will keep happening and my eyes will just roll.

I didn't say I was gonna stop posting.

I had to come in defense of Hindus as I really like them over here. And I know they will never lead a terrorist attack against us. Hate to hear them lump together as Muslims.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 7:57:59 PM

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I thought you had promised to stop posting.

I said I don't care about terrorist bombings anymore since everybody is offering loving support for the religion that causes the bombings. To me, that's indirectly supporting the bombings.

That's because, scientifically speaking, *****Ah ah! That's not allowed. Be nice or be moderated!*****

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:00:54 PM

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That's because, scientifically speaking, you're an utter idiot.

And all of you offering loving support to Islam are in denial about the origin of the ideology. The key to end Islamic Terrorism specifically is to stop it at the source, which is where the ideas come from. There is never enough Muslims you can kill to stop terrorism. Once you eliminated all the bad Muslims, many "good" Muslims will become bad Muslims again and regroup. It's a stupid strategy to end an ideology at the moment. The stupidest strategy ever! And I am well aware there is no such word as "stupidest", but I'm inventing right now and calling it my own!

And I'm saying bombing the crap out of them is not the right solution. That's what the strategy is right now. Just bomb and bomb and bomb. Keep trying to kill ISIS soldiers. But ISIS regroup from Al Queda. So after ISIS is dead, something new will come back, over and over again. We all agree it's an ideology that is causing this problem. But so many just won't admit where the ideology comes from.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:04:17 PM

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That's because, scientifically speaking, you're an utter idiot.

And all of you offering loving support to Islam are in denial about the origin of the ideology. The key to end Islamic Terrorism specifically is to stop it at the source, which is where the ideas come from. There is never enough Muslims you can kill to stop terrorism. Once you eliminated all the bad Muslims, many "good" Muslims will become bad Muslims again and regroup. It's a stupid strategy to end an ideology at the moment. The stupidest strategy ever!

What you're saying is in order to stop stupidity we should ensure you, and people like you, do not reproduce.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:07:49 PM

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What you're saying is in order to stop stupidity we should ensure you, and people like you, do not reproduce.

I may not even want to reproduce and have my kid born into a future of Islamic slavery at this rate.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:11:51 PM

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What you're saying is in order to stop stupidity we should ensure you, and people like you, do not reproduce.

I may not even want to reproduce and have my kid born into a future of Islamic slavery at this rate.

I, and others, would very much appreciate that.

You'll have to excuse me as I need to get back to my Islamic slave chores.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:24:07 PM

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I don't believe this post was for me was it?

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:32:44 PM

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I don't believe this post was for me was it?

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Of course not

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:40:19 PM

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Shouldn't you be proving definitively there is a god? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'm not sure that's really the issue. I'd be happy to stipulate that God doesn't exist in the sense of something having extension in time and space. As it seems to me, the question is whether or not God is real in the sense of a transcendent reality that we can enter into, experience, and be changed by for the better. If that's the case, then religion is something profoundly interesting and tossing the baby away with the bathwater would be foolish.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 8:54:07 PM

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Shouldn't you be proving definitively there is a god? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'm not sure that's really the issue. I'd be happy to stipulate that God doesn't exist in the sense of something having extension in time and space. As it seems to me, the question is whether or not God is real in the sense of a transcendent reality that we can enter into, experience, and be changed by for the better. If that's the case, then religion is something profoundly interesting and tossing the baby away with the bathwater would be foolish.

K.

I think the more interesting religions deal with personal growth and non-theism (ie Buddhism) rather than a strict set of rules and an overseer (pretty much every Judeo-Christian religion).

Plus the Buddhist temples have better food.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 9:19:07 PM

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Shouldn't you be proving definitively there is a god? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'm not sure that's really the issue. I'd be happy to stipulate that God doesn't exist in the sense of something having extension in time and space. As it seems to me, the question is whether or not God is real in the sense of a transcendent reality that we can enter into, experience, and be changed by for the better. If that's the case, then religion is something profoundly interesting and tossing the baby away with the bathwater would be foolish.

K.

interesting you would say that Mr. K, since your name neither the one used here or the one your parents gave you exist in time or space, but something is pushing the keys on that board and hitting enter. ;)

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 10:06:45 PM

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Cutting IS's supply lines would starve it of the war materials it desperately needs to maintain its belligerence, and completely encircle IS. IOW it would spell doom for IS and its collapse would only be a matter of time. Turkey is a nominal Western ally and NATO member. Turkey's efforts have been directed at destroying Kurdish military and political strength, and there are dark rumours of Turkish complicity in IS's savage suicide attacks against pro-Kurdish political rallies which resulted in hundreds of civilian deaths.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1648623/mpage_1/key_Nato%252Cbeef/tm.htm#1649405

Our troubles are simply multiplying since we will be forced into a beef with our NATO ally Turkey. Kurds will have to have autonomy, that puts the fight in Iran, Iraq, and Turkey to deal with Syria. This is straight out of Iraq and the ineptitude and cowardice of the nutsuckers.

.Your 2008 post was right on the money - it was prescient of you to realise and anticipate the problems that are surfacing today as Turkey continues its duplicity and the poor Kurds get shafted again. It's a toss up whether the Kurds or the Palestinians are the most f^%*ed over people in the region.

Clearly if people wanted to get rid of IS for once and for all, the sharpest quickest least risky strategy is to cut off their supplies lines and slowly besiege them until they crumble as they surely will. It won't solve the underlying problems but it could rid us of IS - and that is something well worth striving for. So why isn't this happening?

It's easy to understand why Turkey prefers to shoot up the Kurds rather than tackle IS. But it's a bit harder to understand why the West allows Turkey to get away with it. It seems that the West is so invested in getting rid of the butcher Assad that it is prepared to tolerate IS's continued existence until Assad is gone. Following Putin's intervention, the day when Assad is gone looks as far away as ever.

The actual policy on the ground in Syria is a million miles removed from the story we are fed by our Western Govts. The noble sentiments they claim to espouse are very quickly replaced by the worst, most cynical expediency. The Syrian people are the losers as they continue to die in their hundreds of thousands as the external powers jockey for advantage in their power games.

Same game, same players, same losers .... same old story we have been fed so many times before yet some people believe that it is somehow different this time ... Western military adventures in the region are disasters from start to finish. This entire fiasco is a direct consequence of the insane invasion of Iraq. We have so much reason to insist that Bush Blair and Howard and all the other war criminals who perpetrated the Iraqi disaster should answer war crimes charges in The Hague.

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/19/2015 11:02:25 PM

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Just send the Chinese in! Get China involved in tracking down ISIS, and let them do all the work!

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/28-terrorist-group-members-shot-dead-chinas-xinjiang-041118738.html

Gotta love how Islamic terrorists in china fights with knives! That's interesting. 31 people managed to be knifed to death in their attacks, wow!

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RE: Paris under attack - 11/20/2015 6:11:05 AM

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The only actual fact that remains is that your statement is simply an unsupported assertion.

The burden is on you to prove that it's true.

How? Show me how. Prove to me that there is no Santa Claus and I will then use that exact same method to prove to you that there is no god. Until then, your assertion of a positive (god exists) requires evidence. So far there is none to suggest any sort of a supreme being who created life, the universe and everything merely by wishing it into existence. There remains a cornucopia of evidence that none of the gods imagined by humans - including Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah - actually exist. An honest perusal on anyone's part of geology, biology, cosmology and other scientific disciplines, refutes the Bible as well as all other "holy" writings that rely on belief in the supernatural.

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