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kdsub -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 2:29:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

If you let Daesh run free, will YOU sleep easily ? I doubt it unless you have no care for what happens to you, your family or your fellow man.

They told me that about the cubans,the dominican repubicans,the columbians,the vietnamese,and the chinese that I tagged. Now I am being told I have a new enemy to fear....I have not slept well for about 50 years and probably wont get a full nights sleep till they nail the lid shut on my huckle...But I will tell you right now that I am all done with believing that crock of shit.


I think you're right... you should hop a plane and head to Turkey then sneak in and see if what is said is the truth... then tell me I'll be all ears...

Butch




LookieNoNookie -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 5:03:36 PM)

Kill them.




BamaD -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 5:14:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

If you let Daesh run free, will YOU sleep easily ? I doubt it unless you have no care for what happens to you, your family or your fellow man.

They told me that about the cubans,the dominican repubicans,the columbians,the vietnamese,and the chinese that I tagged. Now I am being told I have a new enemy to fear....I have not slept well for about 50 years and probably wont get a full nights sleep till they nail the lid shut on my huckle...But I will tell you right now that I am all done with believing that crock of shit.


I think you're right... you should hop a plane and head to Turkey then sneak in and see if what is said is the truth... then tell me I'll be all ears...

Butch

A world without enemies is world without people.




thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 8:52:58 PM)


ORIGINAL: kdsub


ORIGINAL: thompsonx

If you let Daesh run free, will YOU sleep easily ? I doubt it unless you have no care for what happens to you, your family or your fellow man.

They told me that about the cubans,the dominican repubicans,the columbians,the vietnamese,and the chinese that I tagged. Now I am being told I have a new enemy to fear....I have not slept well for about 50 years and probably wont get a full nights sleep till they nail the lid shut on my huckle...But I will tell you right now that I am all done with believing that crock of shit.
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I think you're right...

Of course I am and I appreciate you acknowledging the fact.


you should hop a plane and head to Turkey then sneak in and see if what is said is the truth...

How many times will you let a person lie to you before you stop beliving them? I have already reached my limit. If you are still that phoquing gullible then hobo your ass to turkey and check it out.








thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 8:54:54 PM)

A world without enemies is world without people.

You are mistaken a world without enemies is a world without assholes




Dvr22999874 -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 8:57:33 PM)

so let's get rid of those enemies permanently




BamaD -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 9:09:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

My prefference for president, unfortunatly he is dead.




thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 9:34:45 PM)


ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

Did you miss the part where I said I was done believing that crock of shit?
As I pointed out previously I was told the enemy was cuba which now it is not.
The enemy was the dominican republic and now it is not.
The enemy was columbia and now it is not.
The enemy was viet nam and now it is not.
The enemy was china and now it is not.
Now we have a new "enemy" how long before they are no longer the enemy?




Dvr22999874 -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/1/2015 9:45:23 PM)

The bit I didn't miss was the bit where you said that a world without enemies is a world without assholes. I was agreeing with you..................let's get rid of the assholes then.
I see daesh as an enemy, not only because of what is going on in the M.E. but because of the lunacy being generated in other countries. I have spoken with a few people with firsthand knowledge of daesh's version of the Pax Romani and I am really not impressed. Mind you the ones I spoke to were just refugees who had left what little they had behind in their homeland, so maybe, just maybe, they were a little biased.




tweakabelle -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 1:31:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Now we have a new "enemy" how long before they are no longer the enemy?


There is no doubt that IS is public enemy #1. At least that's what govts are saying in public and what the media is telling us.

But there is persistent and troubling evidence that the relationship isn't as simple as that, and that IS has a far more nuanced and sometimes friendly, profitable relationships with the West and its allies. It has long been known that Saudi Arabia and Qatar have funded and supplied weapons to IS. Both are US allies and it's naive to believe that either Saudi Arabia or Qatar, both US allies of long standing, acted without some kind of tacit approval from their Western patrons.

It is well known that Turkey, another long standing US ally and NATO member, has also supported IS in multiple ways - supplying weapons, funding, buying IS's oil and allowing recruits to pass through Turkey to IS held parts of Syria and Iraq, Turkey has also attacked the Kurds, who are widely acknowledged as some of the most effective anti-IS fighters. Turkey refuses to close it borders thus ensuring the continuing flow of new recruits to IS and the export of IS oil.

One commentator, Pepe Escobar, described Turkey thus:
"Turkey, for all practical purposes, has been a handy, sprawling Salafi-jihadi Infrastructure and Logistics Center; it offers everything from porous borders enabling countless jihadi return tickets from Syria to Europe, facilitated by corrupt police, to a convenient crossroads for all kinds of smuggling and a hefty money laundering ops."
http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20151125/1030730838/turkey-erdogan-war-russia.html#ixzz3t9Y7HRix

Indeed, the desire to protect its oil trade with IS partly-motivated Turkey's recent shooting down of a Russian bomber. The extent of that trade was made explicit by Putin:
"“I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products. The motorcade of refueling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added, comparing the convoy to gas and oil pipeline systems.”
According to Putin, IS is funded by sources in over 40 countries. including some G20 States:
" “I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them,”
https://www.rt.com/news/322305-isis-financed-40-countries
Escobar identifies Turkish President Erdogan's son, Bilal as a major player in the marketing of oil stolen by IS in Syria and Iraq. The market is said to be worth as much as $50 million a month.


It is inconceivable that the US is unaware of this duplicity, and it's just as unlikely that these activities occur without some kind of US approval. If IS was the real enemy, one simple sure and safe way of guaranteeing its downfall would be to close the Turkish border to IS controlled parts of Syria and Iraq. Turkey would be unable to resist concerted pressure from its NATO allies to do this, if the West so desired. The West's failure to close this lifeline suggests that the real goal in Syria remains regime change, and that until this occurs, IS will remain safe from attack from the West and its allies, as it has been for the recent past.

Indeed, the rise of IS was anticipated by a recently declassified 2012 Defence Intelligence Agency report, which emphasised how useful such a group could be in securing regime change in Damascus:
"[A] much “bigger picture” admission and confirmation is contained in one of the Defense Intelligence Agency documents circulated in 2012: that an ‘Islamic State’ is desired in Eastern Syria to effect the West’s policies in the region.
Astoundingly, the newly declassified report states that for “THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.
The DIA report, formerly classified “SECRET//NOFORN” and dated August 12, 2012, was circulated widely among various government agencies, including CENTCOM, the CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA, State Dept., and many others.
The document shows that as early as 2012, U.S. intelligence predicted the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), but instead of clearly delineating the group as an enemy, the report envisions the terror group as a U.S. strategic asset.
While a number of analysts and journalists have documented long ago the role of western intelligence agencies in the formation and training of the armed opposition in Syria, this is the highest level internal U.S. intelligence confirmation of the theory that western governments fundamentally see ISIS as their own tool for regime change in Syria. The document matter-of-factly states just that scenario.
Forensic evidence, video evidence, as well as recent admissions of high-level officials involved (see former Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford’s admissions here and here), have since proven the State Department and CIA’s material support of ISIS terrorists on the Syrian battlefield going back to at least 2012 and 2013
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http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/ emphasis added

So our 'enemy' might not be our 'enemy' after all ....... and while our leaders continue to play power games in Syria, ordinary Syrians are dying in their hundreds of thousands and their country is decimated ....... that's what happens to the West's 'real enemies'.




thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 7:01:46 AM)


ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

The bit I didn't miss was the bit where you said that a world without enemies is a world without assholes. I was agreeing with you..................let's get rid of the assholes then.

In my experience it has been the assholes telling me who my enemies were




DesideriScuri -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 7:32:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
so let's get rid of those enemies permanently


The problem is that you'll only be permanently getting rid of the current crop of "those enemies," while also providing recruitment material for the next crop.

It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end? I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

I think the only way to permanently rid ourselves of Violence in the name of Islam, is to prove that the violence isn't supported by the teachings of Islam. That will relegate the violence to rarities and isolated actions, like with the occasional "Christian" fuckstick.




kdsub -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 10:35:41 AM)

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How many times will you let a person lie to you before you stop beliving them?


Yes I agree again... I'm sure the French are lying to us about the murders... just a clever ruse to fool us once again. And silly us...we actually believed they were cutting the heads from innocents... I think you should join them and show the world how we are being lied to...again!!!

Butch




thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 10:51:28 AM)


ORIGINAL: kdsub

How many times will you let a person lie to you before you stop beliving them?

Yes I agree again... I'm sure the French are lying to us about the murders... just a clever ruse to fool us once again. And silly us...we actually believed they were cutting the heads from innocents... I think you should join them and show the world how we are being lied to...again!!!

Instead of posting such stupid shit why don't you address what I actually said.
What did cuba do to us become our enemy?
What did viet nam do to us become our enemy?
What did the dominican republic do to us become our enemy?
What did columbia do to us become our enemy?
What did venezuela do to us become our enemy?
What did russia do to us become our enemy?
What did china do to us become our enemy?
What did iraq do to us to become our enemy?
While we are at it what has dash done to us to become our enemy?






thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 10:54:33 AM)


ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri



The problem is that you'll only be permanently getting rid of the current crop of "those enemies," while also providing recruitment material for the next crop.

What has the current crop of enemies done to us?

It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end?

They ran out of jews

I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

Now you know.





kdsub -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 10:58:01 AM)

Oh yes how stupid of me ...Thank you for pointing out the virtues of our friends in Iraq and Syria... heh... I have a few dollars to send in support... how about you? Maybe we can get some shrunken heads in return... oh sorry... you already have one on top of your shoulders I see.

Butch




thompsonx -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 11:20:43 AM)


ORIGINAL: kdsub

Oh yes how stupid of me

That is what I said. Since you recognize the stupidity of your remarks perhaps you will desist.

...Thank you for pointing out the virtues of our friends in Iraq and Syria...
I am unaware of any virtues pointed out by myself or sugesting that those folks were our friends. I ask only for you:
What did cuba do to us become our enemy?
What did viet nam do to us become our enemy?
What did the dominican republic do to us become our enemy?
What did columbia do to us become our enemy?
What did venezuela do to us become our enemy?
What did russia do to us become our enemy?
What did china do to us become our enemy?
What did iraq do to us to become our enemy?
While we are at it what has dash done to us to become our enemy?








PeonForHer -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 12:14:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Oh yes how stupid of me ...Thank you for pointing out the virtues of our friends in Iraq and Syria... heh... I have a few dollars to send in support... how about you? Maybe we can get some shrunken heads in return... oh sorry... you already have one on top of your shoulders I see.

Butch


Butch, please tell me that you're not *still* trying to ram this line of yours of 'those who don't support me are apologists for radical Islam'. It's really bloody grating, not to mention downright stupid.




kdsub -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 1:46:23 PM)

No I am saying there are no excuses for these butchers... how about you...are you going to make excuses for them? I only posted in response to Tom's crap below...

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They told me that about the cubans,the dominican repubicans,the columbians,the vietnamese,and the chinese that I tagged. Now I am being told I have a new enemy to fear....I have not slept well for about 50 years and probably wont get a full nights sleep till they nail the lid shut on my huckle...But I will tell you right now that I am all done with believing that crock of shit.



Butch




PeonForHer -> RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? (12/2/2015 2:27:32 PM)

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No I am saying there are no excuses for these butchers... how about you...are you going to make excuses for them?


Well, I haven't so far - what makes you think I want to start now?




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